Zimmerman NOT guilty

[DaSleeper]

Thanks bud; I'd hate to have the court's ruling over turned because of my mistake... But on that note, seeing how he was less than 6' tall, maybe that does qualify him as a child?

Would you believe when I was 25 I was 6'2" now I've shrunk to 5'11":lol:

 

[L Gilbert]

Anyway, considering that the court let Zimmerman scoot, I think the best thing would be the Lincoln Co. Neighborhood watch give Zimmerman the boot and the cops take the stunned idiot's gun away.

 

[captain morgan]

Silly sarcasm works on me yup. Asking questions to reply to a question is pretty lame. Was Martin a "she"? No, I didn't ask a trick question. I asked because I didn't know what your answer would be, so I have no idea whether it's the correct procedure or not.

Interestingly enough, your sarcastic comment about 'kissing' brought up a very legitimate issue... Had someone done exactly that to a woman stalker, do they not face possible repercussions?

That same principle applies to Martin, whether those repercussions were legal or someone pulling a gun.

I doubt it. It's a map made from best guesses as to the routes of each person. Guesses don't go over in courts too well.

Then why bring it up.... Was your initial comment meant to be in purple?

..or he could have overpowered Martin and held him. Zimmerman said he thought the kid was drunk. The intelligent thing to do would have been to call 911 and stay at the truck. The cops might have sent a cruiser to check things out, but what would they have charged Martin with? Looking suspicious on the word of Zimmerman? Probably being drunk underage and being drunk in a public place.

Clearly Zimmerman couldn't over power him, unless you expected Martin to tire himself out from bashing his head on concrete - at which time, Zimmerman was to leap into action and affect a citizens arrest.

Back to the silly sarcasm, huh?

There are those that are going on how this 17 y/o kid is (and I quote) 'a child'

The National Neighborhood Watch Program manual that Lincoln Co. Neighborhood Watch follows states, "It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers, and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles. They should also be cautioned to alert police or deputies when encountering strange activity. Members should never confront suspicious persons who could be armed and dangerous."

... And?... That's a recommendation, not a law.

Martin didn't have to die but for the negligent stupidity of Zimmerman.

... But Martin's decision to attack buddy was an A-1 smart choice.

Spare me, please

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I'd say you don't know the American legal system very well.

 

[JLM]

Paranoia is exactly why you DON'T grab a gun and go look for criminals.

He likely wasn't paranoid when he set out.

 

[Sal]

He likely wasn't paranoid when he set out.

maybe not but his IQ still wasn't any higher

 

[JLM]

I think some posters are missing an important fact here. We can all speculate about the degree of guilt or innocence of Mr. Zimmerman. The problem is the people presumably the most in the know, the witnesses at the scene couldn't provide enough information to get a conviction. And that is the way it should be under those circumstances. We all know what happened to David Milgaard.

 

[petros]

What if I told you that not finding him guilty of second degree murder doesn't change my opinion about his responsibility in the shoddy way he went about executing his 'neighbourhood watch' duties?

What can you do?

Some dimwitted, twisted and morally bankrupt people have a hard time understanding that not enough evidence to convict doesn't mean somebody is innocent of a crime.

 

[Colpy]

Lemme see, Zimmerman followed Martin in his truck, stopped and parked, phoned 911, and then started following again. Sounds like "repeated" to me. What is a period of time? 10 seconds? 140 years? A minute?

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So now, not satisfied with trying to have Zimmerman convicted on figments of your imagination, you want to use your imagination to alter the meaning of the law to convict Zimmerman.

You know bloody well he wasn't stalking TM in any legal sense.

That's why "stalking" was not any part of the prosecution's case.

If they had proved stalking, Zimmerman would be guilty....but he wasn't stalking, was he???

Yep. Apparently the Jeantel testimony wasn't good enough for that, though.

You're calling the Jeantel woman a liar then. I see.

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She was not credible. She was not there. She may well have been mistaken about what she supposedly heard. And she testified that Martin was at the house, and therefore he had to go BACK to confront Zimmerman.

Not that I believe a word she said.

Oh, BTW, on Piers Morgan she said Martin went to "Whup his A**"

So what? Infants are by definition held to a lower standard of personal responsibility than adults. That's the entire justification for the fact that they have fewer rights and freedoms than adults.

But if you want to lower the age of adulthood in Canada to 14, go for it. Makes no difference to me whatever.

So heck, Zimmerman should have just asked him for his ID while he was getting his head smashing into the pavement, and when he realized TM was a minor, he should have just laid back and let it happen.

What BS!!!!

 

[petros]

He wasn't innocent, there wasn't enough evidence to convict. Why is that too complex to comprehend?

 

[Spade]

No one said he didn't understand right from wrong. And no, it's not just about a private citizen carrying a gun. It's about a private citizen carrying a gun AND looking to enforce the law. See, if you carry a gun, and go about your day, that's one thing. But if you grab your gun, and go out at night looking for criminals, that's a completely different issue. You are tuned into trouble, you are looking for it, which means you are bound to see it where it isn't necessarily. If you believe in your gut that Trayvon was a criminal at heart, like some have stated, then I guess you can applaud Zimmerman. But he didn't have the kid's id. He didn't have his twitter feed. He didn't know him from a hole in the ground. And still he decided that he was a criminal because he was 'looking at houses'.

I can absolutely, unequivocally state that never should neighbourhood watch be walking alone through the neighbourhood at night, unmarked, armed, and tracking people down for 'looking at houses'. Never. Not in their community, not in mine, not in yours, and I know for a fact that you're smart enough to have never put yourself and Martin in the precarious position Zimmerman put them both in that night. And if you did, here in Canada, you'd be in jail right now. There's no excuse for that kind of targeting. No reason to expect that a teenage boy should know he's being targeted as a criminal at 1:30 in the morning for walking home. No reason to expect that Zimmerman held any kind of credibility, or was anything but a threat, in the way he was following him.

The fact that people seem to miss that is terrifying to me. The fact that they will continue to think it's okay to grab a gun, and go out into the night alone, unidentified, untrained, and looking for bad guys, is a scary prospect unless you are dead certain that no one you love or care about could be mistaken for 'bad'.

Well reasoned and well said. Thank you.

 

[Colpy]

He wasn't innocent, there wasn't enough evidence to convict. Why is that too complex to comprehend?

Almost.

There was not enough evidence to convict, so he is not guilty.

We will never know if he was innocent or not......but he has to be presumed innocent in the eyes of the law.

 

[Locutus]

Almost.

There was not enough evidence to convict, so he is not guilty.

We will never know if he was innocent or not......but he has to be presumed innocent in the eyes of the law.

^ this

Not too difficult to understand. But very hard to accept by some.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

So heck, Zimmerman should have just asked him for his ID while he was getting his head smashing into the pavement, and when he realized TM was a minor, he should have just laid back and let it happen.

What BS!!!!

Yes, of course that's what I meant.

I'm tired of trying to crack your comprehensive paranoid delusion and let in a little reality. You can reinterpret my words to mean whatever your terrified little mind wants, mmm-kay?

 

[Locutus]

Number Of Murders In Chicago During Month-Long Zimmerman Trial: 61…

Of course when it’s black-on-black crime the left doesn’t care.
Via NRO:




Jesse Jackson Calls George Zimmerman A “Known Murderer”…

Add Jesse to the list of people Zimmerman can sue for libel.
Via Newsbusters:



Larry Elder Goes Off on Piers Morgan During Explosive Race Debate: ‘You’re Making Black People Feel as if They Are Under Siege…It’s an Outrage!’ | Video | TheBlaze.com


Worth the look to see that puss Morgan take some. :lol:

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Add Jesse to the list of people Zimmerman can sue for libel.

Does he have all the elements of libel against Rev. Jackson?

 

[EagleSmack]

I'm pretty sure you can follow along.

If it's not okay to do one citizen, it's not okay to do to another. Following someone home and physically detaining them is threatening, regardless of gender. So if it isn't okay to do to a woman, it's not okay to do to a 17 year old kid. What Zimmerman did put Martin into self defense mode

I am following along. Zimmerman according to his statement to police did not try to detain Martin.

'generally'. You know darn well if Zimmerman had followed a woman around like this at night and grabbed her without identifying himself, no one would defend him. Stalking wouldn't be argued.

Zimmerman... according to his statement to police did not grab Martin.

Stalking wouldn't even be considered in your scenario. Assault would.

Sigh

If GZ touched Martin, that is assault, and would remove any claim he had to self defense.

However, there is absolutely NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE GZ did any such thing.

The TM supporters want GZ lynched purely on the basis of their imaginations, no actual evidence required.

I think that is the goal here. It does not matter what the evidence we NOW must consider what COULD have happened.

 

[JLM]

You can't make a general statement about a specific matter without knowing ALL the details. Add to that the old adage "there is an exception to every rule".

How soon people forget about the David Milgaard case!

 

[karrie]

She was not credible. She was not there.

Unless she says TM swung first, apparently.

 

[EagleSmack]

Lemme see, Zimmerman followed Martin in his truck, stopped and parked, phoned 911, and then started following again. Sounds like "repeated" to me. What is a period of time? 10 seconds? 140 years? A minute?

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Try to get and prove a Stalking Charge for that behavior and you'd be one of the best lawyers in the nation.

It actually takes away from the victims of real Stalking Crimes and waters it down.

I think your emotion is trumping common sense here. One of our forum members was stalked and there is a whole thread on it.

Unless she says TM swung first, apparently.

Emotion