Obesity a disease!

petros

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Another overlooked factor is our homes are warmer and less people are spending as much time outdoors. When I worked outdoors in winter I had to fatten up before going to work. Summer time, the complete opposite.
 

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A paleo diet doesn't cut out fat. So, no, I don't think it's that simple.



some is, some isn't. I guarantee sprouted breads are healthier than what I grew up with.
agree with both counts...we have some local tiny bakeries in the area where you can likely get some super health breads, unfortunately those are the ones that make me feel nauseated...I have some Dutch crack bread here, likely has very few nutrients but my body can digest it just fine... go figure.

it's all just chemical reaction... and each body is slightly different.
 

petros

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You claimed it's why people who cut out bread lose weight... my sister's on a paleo gluten free diet. Low starch, high in proteins and veggies. She has not cut out fat by any stretch of the imagination. So, yeah, it's what immediately comes to mind as disproving your assertion.
Where did you gleen paleo from?
 

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Where did you gleen paleo from?


Are you asking for an explanation of the paleo diet? Because I'm not overly familiar with it. Whole food, high protein, low starch, gluten free about sums it up from what I've seen.
 

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Are you asking for an explanation of the paleo diet? Because I'm not overly familiar with it. Whole food, high protein, low starch, gluten free about sums it up from what I've seen.
the more diets I have looked into for various diseases and health and weight loss the more they all say the same thing, avoid anything white, eat, fruits, vegetables, meat...that's it.

I also find when I am eating in that manner all cravings quickly disappear, my skin changes and has a glow and I am seldom hungry.

As soon as I veer from the path...I fall off and shortly thereafter begin to feel like crap.
 

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Are you asking for an explanation of the paleo diet? Because I'm not overly familiar with it. Whole food, high protein, low starch, gluten free about sums it up from what I've seen.
me either. How did they eliminate gluten in the past?
 

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the more diets I have looked into for various diseases and health and weight loss the more they all say the same thing, avoid anything white, eat, fruits, vegetables, meat...that's it.

I also find when I am eating in that manner all cravings quickly disappear, my skin changes and has a glow and I am seldom hungry.

As soon as I veer from the path...I fall off and shortly thereafter begin to feel like crap.

A lot has to do with the types of baked products people are eating. Many bakeries try to pass white flour bread with bran added in as "whole wheat" when it sure as sh*t isn't.
 

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me either. How did they eliminate gluten in the past?


Speaking from a paleo perspective? THink about the term, paleo-anthropologically speaking, they didn't need to eliminate gluten, it wasn't an every day part of their diet.
 

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A lot has to do with the types of baked products people are eating. Many bakeries try to pass white flour bread with bran added in as "whole wheat" when it sure as sh*t isn't.
because people don't take the time to research and understand whole wheat is not whole grain
 

petros

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paleo..pure diet only...fish, meat, fruits and veggies no?
No idea. For me an ancestral diet would mean, high fat sausages, hams, breads with bacon fat, heavy use of butter and cream, salts etc. The problem with that is, I don't work 1/4 as hard as my grand parents did, who by the end of the day burned off the fats and sugars in their diet.
 

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Well, that's right. They can bullsh*t all they want BUT if you burn more calories than you consume you will NOT get obese. On the other side of the coin people's metabolism differ. Some burn it off easier than others. But regardless getting active is more of a key than what you eat.



I doubt if 10 extra lbs. (or even 20) ever killed anyone and is beneficial for back up should one get severely ill.



I don't quite follow that, obesity contributes to high blood pressure which contributes to diseases of the heart, arteries, kidneys etc. A lb. of fat contains a lot of capillaries the heart has to pump blood through. While a few extra lbs. is beneficial there is a limit beyond which, organs are being compromised.
Yes obesity does lead to these diseases, but those calling obesity a disease are wrong. This is just giving overweight people another excuse to use instead of making changes to lifestyle.
As for metabolism, thryroid etc, that too is a bunch of horse****. My metabolism has slowed down as I grow older, and I now have a thyroid condition that is suppose to make me tired, and put on weight, do I allow that to happen, no I don't. I disagree with the 10-20 pounds ever killing anyone, as I said someone with my frame cannot handle that, it may seem like a little for you and most people, but it is not for me.
I will agree with you though, getting active is a very big key, and helps when you have those days of indulging.
I am a very healthy person at 55, no health issues of any kind really except for the slowing of metabolism and this thyroid, neither has me beaten, nor ever will.
I am in better shape than woman half my age, I take great pride in that.

No idea. For me an ancestral diet would mean, high fat sausages, hams, breads with bacon fat, heavy use of butter and cream, salts etc. The problem with that is, I don't work 1/4 as hard as my grand parents did, who by the end of the day burned off the fats and sugars in their diet.
That is very true. As a girl growing up we ate much the same, and none of us kids were fat. We were all slim and healthy.
 

petros

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"gluten myth"


No, no, no Sir --- gluten FACT: me losing 35 lbs in less than 6 months without exercising and keeping it off.

I have corresponded with numerous people online and many report the same results.

That's FACT.
Anecdotal
 

karrie

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Yes obesity does lead to these diseases, but those calling obesity a disease are wrong. This is just giving overweight people another excuse to use instead of making changes to lifestyle.

Most often, doctors make these attempts to classify things properly so that they can give their patients the right tools to fight the issue, not excuses to ignore it. A huge part of the problem with obesity rates is people being given the wrong tools, such as dieting (rather than healthy diet), weight loss pills, and other methods that have proven over and over again to lead to temporary loss, and then weight regained plus new weight.
 

petros

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But here is the bell ringer.

Will obesity be classified as a disability since it's now considered a disease?

This comes to mind...

 

Sal

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But here is the bell ringer.

Will obesity be classified as a disability since it's now considered a disease?

This comes to mind...

We're already there since it leads to a whole host of other issues. The health risks are endless.
 

Sal

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Even if self induced? If it's a genetic thing, fine and dandy, if it's lifestyle...fix your lifestyle.
Agreed but it is hard to force that. The stats medically for diet compliance after a medical event that can be assisted by diet such as heart attack, stroke, diabetes etc is 10%. So that means that even when people KNOW they can help themselves or perhaps even save their life by altering their diet, they do not.
 

petros

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As a taxpayer, I'd gladly pay a $20kg incentive for every kg someone lost and kept off for 1 year. With a plain Jane visit to a GP costing $150,alone that money will come back 100 fold in no time at all.