Bridezilla or cheapskates?: Bride’s text rant over wedding present offers lessons on

Bridezilla or cheapskates?

  • Bridezilla?

    Votes: 3 42.9%
  • Cheapskates?

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • Just the new (BrideZillla) Generation with no manners

    Votes: 4 57.1%
  • Guests gave what they could afford.

    Votes: 3 42.9%
  • The Groom has been blessed with a *****Empathy for him

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • The Groom is an idjit? Should have explained mannerst to her.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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Goober

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Bridezilla or cheapskates?: Bride’s text rant over wedding present offers lessons on minefield around gift-giving?

Bride’s rant over wedding present offers lessons on minefield around gift-giving | Canada | News | National Post

It was just an innocent hinged wicker gift basket, brimming with gourmet and “fun” pantry ingredients such as Sour Patch Kids and Marshmallow Fluff — a wedding present for a casual acquaintance in Hamilton, Ont. “Life is delicious,” they wrote on the tag. “Enjoy.”

But with the click of a ‘send’ button, the basket and bad feelings it conjured sparked international debate about the expectations on guests of modern day weddings and how to handle the social minefield around gift-giving. It also provided magnificent trainwreck.

First the newlyweds asked for the receipt, according to the Fluff-giving guests. Then, they received a text saying “I’m not sure if it’s the first wedding you have been to, but for your next wedding … People give envelopes. I lost out on $200 covering you and your dates plate … And got fluffy whip and sour patch kids in return.”

It exploded from there into the text-version of a screaming match — the newlyweds accused of having the “etiquette of a twig” and the guests chastised as the “laughing stock” of the wedding based on their unappreciated present. Eventually the guests went public to their local paper, the Hamilton Spectator, opening the nasty exchange up for careful analysis. The Post‘s Sarah Boesveld went to the experts and gleaned five lessons from this gift gaffe:

1. Don’t expect anything and you’ll never be disappointed

True in life, true at weddings. It is good etiquette to give a gift at a wedding, but that gift is entirely up to the giver, said Anna Post, author of Emily Post’s Etiquette 18th Edition and the manners icon’s great-great-granddaughter. Couples can ask for specifics, but the phrasing is really important, she said: ‘‘’Of course we would love whatever you give us, but what we can really use is X’” she said, adding that this should never appear on the invitation, just on a couple’s website or spread word of mouth. She calls the Hamilton example a “spectacular” gaffe-fest that incorporates so many etiquette faux pas it’s head-spinning.

2. Weddings are not money making ventures

Yes, they’re expensive for the happy couple and their families, but guests should never have to pay their way — at any event, etiquette experts say. Especially galling to Ms. Post is that the newlyweds said they “lost $200″ on the couple. “There’s this idea out there that your gift at a wedding is supposed to cover the cost of your dinner. This is completely bogus and utterly tacky,” she said.

3. But sometimes, they kind of are

Back in 1960, only 10% of couples lived together before marriage — today, 70% of couples set up house before tying the knot, said Hana Abaza, co-founder and CEO of centralized wedding registry website WeddingRepublic.com, where guests can put money towards things like home improvements and honeymoons. While “this level of rudeness was uncalled for,” she said, “cash is on the rise as a popular gift trend” and has been for awhile. “It partly explains the expectation. But I think what influences her reaction even more is the cultural thing.” The brides (the newlyweds are both women), have Croatian and Italian backgrounds — both cultures that have a strong tradition of cash wedding gifts. “North America is the exception, it’s not the rule,” she said. Even so, surely this couple knows that not everyone is aware of these cultural norms, she said.

4. For crying out loud, just say ‘thank you’

“You get a gift? You thank the gift giver and everyone moves on. It’s that simple,” said Karen Cleveland who writes the etiquette column Manners are Sexy. She’s glad this story came out because “now brides and couples everywhere have a study of precisely how not to behave.” The overwhelming public support for the gift givers shows people still appreciate the “spirit” in which the gift was given — the couple clearly wanted to give the newlyweds something they would enjoy. “That, at the base, is what’s important. How we got so far away from that? Damned if I know.”

5. Private text-fights can easily become very public, unflattering text-fights

To a wedding expert like Alison McGill, editor-in-chief of Wedding Bells magazine, the anxiety over gift-giving is nothing new — it’s always been a bit of a minefield of clashing expectations. What’s surprising is how a simple case of disappointment had to fully implode a perfectly fine acquaintanceship through a text and public airing, she said. “Thirty years ago you would have picked up the phone and it would have been a contained conversation, you might’ve told your friends about it … but you wouldn’t have it out there,” she said. But to Ms. Post, the only thing texting did was enable impulsivity. In her mind, “not one of these people should be allowed anywhere near a send button.”
 

karrie

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The rule of thumb, as a GUEST, that I was always told was to try (please note, 'try') to cover the cost of having you, leave the bride and groom *slightly* better off for having had a reception, not worse. But that's a manners rule whispered to me when I was a guest. When I was a bride, the manners rule whispered was 'smile and be a gracious host'.

Seems to me that the bride (or brides?), got mixed up on which they were in this case, and which applied to them.
 

shadowshiv

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I am so sick and tired of the lack of manners out there nowadays. Last week, at work, a couple of teenage girls had a fit of entitlement. Our dining room closes at 11pm, and once the doors are locked, people are not allowed in, and the people in the dining room cannot order anything more. That night, two teenage girls arrived about 7 minutes to close. That is okay, it happens all the time. However, they had asked if their friends, who were going to arrive later, could be let in after 11pm. Since it is against the rules, we told them that they were not allowed to do that.

Time went on, and the dining room closer had gone home. It was 11:18pm when one of the girls got up and went towards the door. I assumed that she they were done and were getting ready to leave. Imagine my surprise when I saw two guys standing outside the door. The girl was about to unlock the door to let them in. Needless to say, I told her what we had ALREADY told them, that they were not allowed in. She tried telling me that the other guy had said it was okay (which was utter BS). I told her again that it was not allowed. So, they got up to leave (leaving their mess on the table like the slobs there were) and as I unlocked the door to let them out one of the girls said :

"I'm going to twitter about this, and they're going to have a hate-on for you!".

Give me a break. You're going to complain because we didn't allow you to do something that we weren't ALLOWED to do? Sense of entitlement, lack of manners...all too prevalent today.

And the bride in the OP that sent the texts? Shame on you and your lack of couth!
 

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"Back in 1960, only 10% of couples lived together before marriage — today, 70% of couples set up house before tying the knot, said Hana Abaza, co-founder and CEO of centralized wedding registry website WeddingRepublic.com, where guests can put money towards things like home improvements and honeymoons. While “this level of rudeness was uncalled for,” she said, “cash is on the rise as a popular gift trend” and has been for awhile. “It partly explains the expectation. But I think what influences her reaction even more is the cultural thing.” The brides (the newlyweds are both women), have Croatian and Italian backgrounds — both cultures that have a strong tradition of cash wedding gifts. “North America is the exception, it’s not the rule,” she said. Even so, surely this couple knows that not everyone is aware of these cultural norms, she said."


The Brazen strumpet needs the cash in four years to pay the divorce lawyer and the 'balance councillors'.

have a heart ......people....Yuppie life is COSTLY.
 

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It should cost me $200, plus special attire, grooming and transportation to eat a tepid plate of chicken-or-beef and hear too many cutesy speeches?
Why would anyone accept a wedding invitation?
 

Cliffy

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It should cost me $200, plus special attire, grooming and transportation to eat a tepid plate of chicken-or-beef and hear too many cutesy speeches?
Why would anyone accept a wedding invitation?
I send condolence cards when invited, with a note that "every time I hear that someone is getting married, I know a lawyer somewhere is having a wet dream."
 

Angstrom

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It should cost me $200, plus special attire, grooming and transportation to eat a tepid plate of chicken-or-beef and hear too many cutesy speeches?
Why would anyone accept a wedding invitation?

"You'' shouldn't accept any wedding invitations.
Obviously.

I've also learned that the wedding should be nothing short of amazing.
 

Palindrome

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When did the pledging of two lives in marriage become a business investment?
Olden days, the couple's family gave a party, guests brought what they could spare to get the young couple started, everybody danced and drank and had a good time. Renting raincoats for chairs at $50 each ...? Bleah.
 

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When did the pledging of two lives in marriage become a business investment?
Olden days, the couple's family gave a party, guests brought what they could spare to get the young couple started, everybody danced and drank and had a good time. Renting raincoats for chairs at $50 each ...? Bleah.

Marriage was originally a business/political contract. The whole marrying for love thing is a relatively new thing in the grand scheme of things. Dowry's used to be pretty common and not just for the wealthy and powerful people. It still is in some parts of the world.

As for these people, I think I'd move along and try to get better friends. I would really hate to be friends with people like this. I've turned down every wedding invitation I've received so far. I'd be bored to death if I went to one.
 

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When did the pledging of two lives in marriage become a business investment?
Olden days, the couple's family gave a party, guests brought what they could spare to get the young couple started, everybody danced and drank and had a good time. Renting raincoats for chairs at $50 each ...? Bleah.

Marriage is closely tied into starting a family in most cultures.
It takes only two, to make a child.
And a whole community to raise him.

In many Italian families the money from the wedding is used for
A down payment on a new home.

How dare they! That's even worst then church asking for donations.

Of course in our French/English culture we just don't give a sh*it
about anyone but ourselves. And kids are only good for the potential dept
we can borrow from the risk/potential & there capacity to re-pay it once we are dead.

And who even cares if they can't pay it really cause will be dead anyways...
 
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