Mike Duffy and the conservative way.

tay

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People interested in senate reform should check out the Canadian Taxpayers Federation website.


You will have to post a link. I went on their site and saw nothing about the Senate except the scandal.


I'm with Mulcair on this, just cancell it..............



NDP launch campaign to abolish Senate


NDP leader Thomas Mulcair said yesterday the party will start a “conversation” with Canadians on the need to abolish the Senate.
The party has set up a website to attract Canadian outrage.

And he confidently predicted the outcome of the “conversation” by assuring reporters on Parliament Hill that if the opposition NDP becomes government in October 2015, it will introduce legislation to abolish the Senate.

“We’re here today to start rolling up the red carpet to the Senate,” he said after the weekly NDP caucus meeting.
Mulcair said Senate abolition has been an NDP principle for 50 years.

The Conservatives, from their Reform roots, were elected vowing to reform the Senate by requiring limited terms for senators and Senate elections, but Harper instead has elected 59 Senators since he took office.




Sign the petition

We, the undersigned residents of Canada, recognize the following:

that there is no place for an unelected, unaccountable Senate in our democracy;

that the $92.5 million a year it costs to run this archaic institution would be better spent elsewhere; and
that appointed senators, especially those who abuse their privileges, do not represent the interests or values of Canadians.

Therefore, we call on the Government of Canada to abolish the unelected, unaccountable Senate once and for all.


Roll up the red carpet: It's time to abolish the Senate.
 

Sal

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if they are willing to abolish it I will be willing to consider voting for them

thanks I just signed, hope the site is legit
 

JLM

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if they are willing to abolish it I will be willing to consider voting for them

thanks I just signed, hope the site is legit

They will abolish it all right.......................and then fill it back up with their buddies!
 

tay

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Holy crap. I see in this video that the oinker in chief of taxpayers money drives a South Korean vehicle which has zero Canadian content.

Oh and the video shows just what kind of a narcissistic jerk we are dealing with.........



Last Word - YouTube
 

damngrumpy

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The Conservatives have a couple of serious problems they have to deal with and soon.
One is they are still behaving like the opposition party in the morning and like a government
in the afternoon.
In addition the steady diet of attack ads are starting to have a negative effect in view of the
fact they have scandals of their own. The scandals currently bedeviling the party are not
over in fact there is a lot more to come and the closet doors are about to open wide with a
lot of political rubbish waiting to see the light of day.
This is a government that has had both a minority and majority and now their fifteen minutes
of fame is about to be up.
I heard but haven't seen a poll suggesting only 13% of people believe the Prime Minister when
he says he didn't know anything. I believe he knew because of his behaviour. Nothing is done
or said without Harper saying do it that is the style of this administration. The other part of the
poll suggests young Trudeau is on the move to the top/ I 'm no Liberal but I suggest lightning
is about to strike again with another Trudeau in the Prime Minister's Mansion.
 

Goober

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How a $90K cheque became a death warrant for Harper’s brand | Full Comment | National Post

The Senate and Commons are filled with those that abuse their expenses and squat occurs- If anyone thinks this is just the Senate- they should think again.

The gods of irony never sleep: The formerly invincible federal Conservatives have all on their own done more to undermine their image, and shake their most loyal support, than any opponent — armed with attack ads or not — could have hoped for.

Originally, the current senatorial sensations did not, at their core, seem too serious. They were very clearly not on the financial scale of the sponsorship scandal, which nearly destroyed the Liberal party. But the Mike Duffy saga, and its satellite stories involving other Senators, are like sponsorship in one critical respect: They imprint a grim image of crony politics on a party, and on a leader, that once had created an appealing image as Ottawa outsiders.

The Conservatives’ vision of themselves as the party of the “little guy” and the Tim Hortons’ crowd takes quite a blistering when they are seen as both casual givers and receivers of 90-thousand dollar hush-hush bailout cheques. Or when, as audits are being conducted, Senators get to wipe their record clean by paying back what they should not have taken in the first place.

That’s not how life plays out in most people’s lives. Just ask any Tim Hortons cashier caught taking money from the till.
 

jwmcq625

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It makes you wonder if there's a manual provided to all conservative MPs and Senators on how to avoid taking any responsibility for their elected and appointed positions...kind of like the memo that was circulated among the conservative caucus during the early years of the current conservative government on how to shut down Parliament.

There's really something wrong when any party acts as if Parliament is the enemy that must be defeated at any cost. In a sense all Canadians are the Parliament as the members we elect represent us there. By constantly attacking the free functioning of Parliament the conservative government is in fact attacking all of us.
Excuse me, BUT considering the fact that of the people who even bothered to cast a ballot in 2011, only 39.6% voted Conservative, so aside from our undemocratic first-past-the-post system we have here in federal and provincial politics, 39.6% does not a majority make. Who should have been offered the opportunity to form a coalition government should have been the 61.4% of the populous who voted other than Conservative. Our present system of FPTP system has basically given us a virtual dictatorship, with one man and his corporate overseers making up the rules as they go along. Isn't democracy, Conservative and Liberal style just great? It means that the vast majority of Canadians have no representation in our own House.
 

Cobalt_Kid

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Excuse me, BUT considering the fact that of the people who even bothered to cast a ballot in 2011, only 39.6% voted Conservative, so aside from our undemocratic first-past-the-post system we have here in federal and provincial politics, 39.6% does not a majority make. Who should have been offered the opportunity to form a coalition government should have been the 61.4% of the populous who voted other than Conservative. Our present system of FPTP system has basically given us a virtual dictatorship, with one man and his corporate overseers making up the rules as they go along. Isn't democracy, Conservative and Liberal style just great? It means that the vast majority of Canadians have no representation in our own House.

That' true, one of the problems that has emerged is partisan politics resulting in parties treating Parliament as a winner take all situation with little or none of the traditional respect for the broader purpose of our democratic system. Modern media has removed much of the incentive for any party to gather broad based support when they can just manipulate themselves into a win, the conservatives have just taken this farther than any other party.

We do need democratic reform here as do many other nations.
 

taxslave

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Excuse me, BUT considering the fact that of the people who even bothered to cast a ballot in 2011, only 39.6% voted Conservative, so aside from our undemocratic first-past-the-post system we have here in federal and provincial politics, 39.6% does not a majority make. Who should have been offered the opportunity to form a coalition government should have been the 61.4% of the populous who voted other than Conservative. Our present system of FPTP system has basically given us a virtual dictatorship, with one man and his corporate overseers making up the rules as they go along. Isn't democracy, Conservative and Liberal style just great? It means that the vast majority of Canadians have no representation in our own House.

You really need to learn how our political system works before making yourself look stupid. If you don't like the system we have now change it but quit trying to claim it isn't right.
 

Goober

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Is that not normal? I mean when they are done with Duff the Porkster he will look like this when presented to the public.

 

Cobalt_Kid

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According to Bruce Carson, Harper would have known about the kind of deal Nigel Wright cut with Mike Duffy behind the scenes when he paid Duffy's illegal expenses during his time in the PMO.

Ex-Harper Aide Carson 'Surprised' PM Unaware Of Duffy Deal

Bruce Carson, who called in to a special edition on the Senate expense scandal on CBC News Network's Power & Politics, said the PM would have been briefed on a matter that significant during his tenure.

He also said sensitive information was always conveyed to the prime minister "immediately" and "no matter how bad it was."

"I guess I could say I'm surprised by it. But I guess each PMO operates differently… but certainly when [former PMO chief of staff] Ian [Brodie] was there we tried to, and certainly I did, tried to make him aware of whatever had to be made aware of, immediately," he told host Evan Solomon.

Harper has insisted he only learned of the $90,000 cheque cut by his former chief of staff, Nigel Wright, to cover Duffy's ineligible expense claims on May 15, through media reports.
 

FiveParadox

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I am one of the view that this scandal in the Upper House should draw our attention not only to the expenses and conduct of honourable senators, but to the institution of the Parliament of Canada as a whole. The amount of money that rests with the House of Commons (with the higher salaries, higher office budgets, bigger expense accounts and allowances, etc.), means that we should be paying even closer attention to the practices of the Lower House.