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Goober

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The Old Testament is quite clear on that. It's also quite clear about all manner of cleanliness issues, and what should happen to people who break them.

Christianity is not based in the Old Testament though.

One of the most crucial teachings Christians should remember, is judge not.

It's for Collins, and Collins alone, to reconcile how his homosexuality should factor into his faith in Christ (if he has any?)



And yet, we don't hear this guy making sure to speak out against divorce. Hmmm.
Yep- I would where he hid his wings- John Travolta couldn't.



 

Cliffy

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Sometimes I think Wally is Coyote and he is just pulling our pissers. I really find it hard to believe someone could purposely be that ignorant. But then... there is Cannucklehead.
And right on cue, he shows up with a red and proves my point. Yay Cannucklehead!
 

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The Old Testament is quite clear on that. It's also quite clear about all manner of cleanliness issues, and what should happen to people who break them.

Christianity is not based in the Old Testament though.

One of the most crucial teachings Christians should remember, is judge not.

It's for Collins, and Collins alone, to reconcile how his homosexuality should factor into his faith in Christ (if he has any?)
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It's definitely up to Collins, I agree. Freeodm of religion and all that. But if I went into a Church and said "Well, yes I'm a Christian, but I think Jesus was just a guy and divine power is actually vested in invisible unicorns living in Nanaimo" I expect that others may have difficulty accepting me among them. I'd have the right to call myself a Christian. I just wouldn't get invited to the hip parties, if Christians had hip parties.

Fact is that Christians could remove teh offending passages, but they choose not to. According to them the Old Testament, whether or not they choose to follow it, is divine revelation. And it says right in there to kill practicing male homosexuals.

I don't have much time for anti-gay bigots at all. But I don't have much respect for practicing gays professing to be Christians either. It's pretty clear to me that God isn't into the whole buggery thing, so...
 

karrie

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I don't have much time for anti-gay bigots at all. But I don't have much respect for practicing gays professing to be Christians either. It's pretty clear to me that God isn't into the whole buggery thing, so...


If we're going by the OT, God's also not into us eating pork. He's also not into women and men being in proximity to one another when women are menstruating. If I can eat pork and call myself Christian, then a practicing homosexual has just as much right.

Individual churches may have different criteria for membership.... they may be able to say 'you can't call yourself Baptist', but they do not, contrary to what these churches think, get to decide if that person gets to believe in Christ or not.
 

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It's definitely up to Collins, I agree. Freeodm of religion and all that. But if I went into a Church and said "Well, yes I'm a Christian, but I think Jesus was just a guy and divine power is actually vested in invisible unicorns living in Nanaimo" I expect that others may have difficulty accepting me among them. I'd have the right to call myself a Christian. I just wouldn't get invited to the hip parties, if Christians had hip parties.

Fact is that Christians could remove teh offending passages, but they choose not to. According to them the Old Testament, whether or not they choose to follow it, is divine revelation. And it says right in there to kill practicing male homosexuals.

I don't have much time for anti-gay bigots at all. But I don't have much respect for practicing gays professing to be Christians either. It's pretty clear to me that God isn't into the whole buggery thing, so...

He also made comments when acting in a position at ESPN- ESPN is not his soapbox for his political, religious or non sport beliefs. He is paid to do a job- He is paid by the amount of revenue generated by the public that chooses to have ESPN on their cable list.
He is just a minor cog. And I am being generous and polite by using the term minor.
Turf the Fuk.
 

L Gilbert

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Ah, nuts. Scholars, religionists, laymen, people in general have been trying to puzzle out what is meant in Biblical verses since day one. Too bad the magician won't clarify things for we contemporary humans. Could poof a new book that clarifies everything, right? I mean after inventory a universe and all that. But mysteries being mysteries, unknowns being unknowns, the invisible and the non-existent looking identical, etc. ......
 

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Ah, nuts. Scholars, religionists, laymen, people in general have been trying to puzzle out what is meant in Biblical verses since day one. Too bad the magician won't clarify things for we contemporary humans.
Complete crap. The New Testament is absolutely clear. It says to love God and your fellow humans, and to be kind and good to people. That is the clear and unambiguous message.

It takes gold-medal feats of mental gymnastics to turn that into justification for hatred and war.
 

Goober

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This takes real courage. I doubt the president will be giving him a phone call.

Chris Broussard Speaks Out Against Jason Collins and Homosexuality - YouTube

Real courage- Could you explain why it took real courage. What real courage means to you.
Examples would be useful.
In my opinion he does not even come close to demonstrating Real Courage- Yes he may lose his job- Wow.

There Is No Real Courage Unless There Is Real Danger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There Is No Real Courage Unless There Is Real Danger


Atticus Finch Quotes - From 'To Kill a Mockingbird'
"You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it."
- spoken by Atticus Finch, by Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

"The one thing that doesn't abide by majority rule is a person's conscience."
- spoken by Atticus Finch, by Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

"There's a lot of ugly things in this world, son. I wish I could keep 'em all away from you. That's never possible."
- spoken by Atticus Finch, by Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

"Courage is not a man with a gun in his hand. It's knowing you're licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what. You rarely win, but sometimes you do."
- spoken by Atticus Finch, by Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird


Quotes About Courage (915 quotes)

Courage | Define Courage at Dictionary.com
cour·age
[kur-ij, kuhr-] Show IPA
noun
1.
the quality of mind or spirit that enables a person to face difficulty, danger, pain, etc., without fear; bravery.
2.
Obsolete . the heart as the source of emotion.
Idioms
3.
have the courage of one's convictions, to act in accordance with one's beliefs, especially in spite of criticism.
 

karrie

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Could poof a new book that clarifies everything, right?

If He did, we'd **** that one up too.

I vaguely remember a story from church growing up that went something like....

"One day a man wanted to take his helicopter out. He woke up, and checked the weather report, and saw that it would be a terrible, stormy day. 'Ah well, if God didn't want me to go, he'd give me a sign.' He got to the helipad, and the people there discouraged him from taking his chopper out that day. 'Ah well, if God didn't want me to go, he'd give me a sign.' He went up, predictably ran into trouble, crashed, and died. He ended up in heaven, indignant and angry. 'Why didn't you give me a sign?' To which God pointed out he'd sent weather reports, and warnings from actual mouths, and still the man hadn't listened."

The overall point of the homily was that we are not meant to wait for divine signs, or bury our noses in religious texts. We ARE supposed to listen to the forecasts and society as well.
 

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While it seems that minority issues are being fairly addressed with the frequency of the gay debates media attention such is not the case such is not even the mission. While the few are lavishly favoured the many are easily forgotten. The LGBT issue is just such a diversion it along with the anti bullying campaigns and the insane CO2 emergency make up the greater part of the cheap feel good pills pushed on the stunned mob of average citizens simply to give them a feeling of accomplishment where their isn't any to be had and prevent them from any real social change with dumb ribbon issues.

I SUPPORT PUPPIES AND FLOWERS
 

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If He did, we'd **** that one up too.
lol Probably.

I vaguely remember a story from church growing up that went something like....

"One day a man wanted to take his helicopter out. He woke up, and checked the weather report, and saw that it would be a terrible, stormy day. 'Ah well, if God didn't want me to go, he'd give me a sign.' He got to the helipad, and the people there discouraged him from taking his chopper out that day. 'Ah well, if God didn't want me to go, he'd give me a sign.' He went up, predictably ran into trouble, crashed, and died. He ended up in heaven, indignant and angry. 'Why didn't you give me a sign?' To which God pointed out he'd sent weather reports, and warnings from actual mouths, and still the man hadn't listened."

The overall point of the homily was that we are not meant to wait for divine signs, or bury our noses in religious texts. We ARE supposed to listen to the forecasts and society as well.
Thing is, we're still puzzling over what the signs mean. It isn't exactly as if they are all clear. Storms are pretty clear, so to speak. You know what's what. Pretty much everything in nature is clear. A lot in the supernatural, or what I call the "unnatural", isn't. And humans come up with more unnatural stuff than anyone can count, which is one reason why I think people pay more attention to the book than working on understanding their own nature. Another reason is that they're lazy and reading a book and leaping to assumptions about what it means is easier than figuring themselves out. :D And figuring out one's own nature takes "real" courage, IMO. :)
 

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While it seems that minority issues are being fairly addressed with the frequency of the gay debates media attention such is not the case such is not even the mission. While the few are lavishly favoured the many are easily forgotten. The LGBT issue is just such a diversion it along with the anti bullying campaigns and the insane CO2 emergency make up the greater part of the cheap feel good pills pushed on the stunned mob of average citizens simply to give them a feeling of accomplishment where their isn't any to be had and prevent them from any real social change with dumb ribbon issues.

There is definitely something to what you say.

We get fooled into believing (or we fool ourselves) that we are doing important things.
 

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Is the guy brave? Nope. Should he be fired? Nope, he stated his opinion and did not specify Homosexuality only. He talked of pre marital sex, adultery, etc. He stated they were all sins and anyone that "partakes" is not a Christian. That would be HIS opinion only. He did NOT just pick on Homosexuals. IMNSHO, he's deluded and ignorant.
 

Goober

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Is the guy brave? Nope. Should he be fired? Nope, he stated his opinion and did not specify Homosexuality only. He talked of pre marital sex, adultery, etc. He stated they were all sins and anyone that "partakes" is not a Christian. That would be HIS opinion only. He did NOT just pick on Homosexuals. IMNSHO, he's deluded and ignorant.

Was this done during a broadcast?
 

Tecumsehsbones

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why? he was asked his opinion. It was an op ed. Why the fu ck should he get turfed?

Legally? Because he's an "employee at will," which means he can be fired for "a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all."

Business-wise? Because the American sports industry doesn't like excessive religious babble.