Church of England circling the drain

Blackleaf

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The Church of England is the most politically correct of the Christian churches. It's like a religious version of The Guardian.

Even the enthronement of the 105th Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, at Canterbury Cathedral on 21st March had to have African dancers (contrary to popular belief, the monarch is not the head of the Church of England. The belief in the Church of England is that Jesus, not the monarch, is the Head of the Church of England. The monarch is merely the Supreme Governor and the Archbishop of Canterbury is merely the chief religious figure on Earth in the Church. Unlike Catholicism, we have no mere mortal as our head).



Why do Muslim parent's approach this school in the first place Knowing it is a religious faith of England?

Why indeed.


That school is hardly unique. Throughout England there are CofE schools which have lots of Muslims attending them, or even have a majority of pupils who are Muslims.

Bishop Bridgeman Church of England Primary School near where I live - the school I attended as a kid - is, as its name suggests, supposed to be for Church of England pupils. It even has a large white cross pinned to one of its outside walls. But almost every kid who attends that school now, unlike when I was a kid, is Muslim, and it even has special prayer rooms for them to partake in Muslim prayers during school time. And this in what should be a Church of England school.

All this is despite the fact that Muslim kids also have their very own Muslim schools, too, such as my town's Bolton Muslim Girls' School. But can religions other than Muslims, such as CofE, Catholic, Jew, Hindu, Sikh etc, attend these Muslim schools? No, they can't. Only Muslims can go to them, yet Muslims are allowed to take over CofE schools.

When schools with mainly Muslim pupils start getting ramshackle, they get brand new schools built, such as is happening with Clarendon School near me, even though in that case a large children's play area and a floodlit all-weather football pitch are being torn up to make way for it. No amount of angry members of the public pleading to the council stopped it.

Yet if a school which isn't full of Muslims gets ramshackle, it doesn't get rebuilt. It usually just gets a few little extensions added onto it.




 
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The Anglican Church will be defunct within 50 years. It had a bad start.. with the adulterated theosophy imposed on it by Henry VIII in his mad power lust.. but up until the 20th Century might at least have been deemed to be following a Christian moral theology.

But that started to collapse in the Lambeth Conference of the 1930s when sequentially marriage, sexual continence, sanctity of life and Christian purpose were deconstructed.. leading to outright acceptance of abortion, female priests, homosexuality.. including homosexual marriage and ordinations (including bishops).. and other aspects of feminist and New Age Culture.

In the last 20 years the downward slide has accelerated as parishes close.. or are attached to public housing projects with a unused chapel attached for some tax advantage. Their own figures show they will cease to exist by the middle of the 21st Century.

The most prominent Anglican (Episcopalian) Cathedral in the U.S... St. John the Divine in NYC.. is now a notorious temple of pagan and gnostic festivals that bear no resemblance to Christian worship. I think that's where they see their future.
 
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The Church of England is the most politically correct of the Christian churches. It's like a religious version of The Guardian.

Even the enthronement of the 105th Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, at Canterbury Cathedral on 21st March had to have African dancers (contrary to popular belief, the monarch is not the head of the Church of England. The belief in the Church of England is that Jesus, not the monarch, is the Head of the Church of England. The monarch is merely the Supreme Governor and the Archbishop of Canterbury is merely the chief religious figure on Earth in the Church. Unlike Catholicism, we have no mere mortal as our head).




That school is hardly unique. Throughout England there are CofE schools which have lots of Muslims attending them, or even have a majority of pupils who are Muslims.

Bishop Bridgeman Church of England Primary School near where I live - the school I attended as a kid - is, as its name suggests, supposed to be for Church of England pupils. It even has a large white cross pinned to one of its outside walls. But almost every kid who attends that school now, unlike when I was a kid, is Muslim, and it even has special prayer rooms for them to partake in Muslim prayers during school time. And this in what should be a Church of England school.

All this is despite the fact that Muslim kids also have their very own Muslim schools, too, such as my town's Bolton Muslim Girls' School. But can religions other than Muslims, such as CofE, Catholic, Jew, Hindu, Sikh etc, attend these Muslim schools? No, they can't. Only Muslims can go to them, yet Muslims are allowed to take over CofE schools.

When schools with mainly Muslim pupils start getting ramshackle, they get brand new schools built, such as is happening with Clarendon School near me, even though in that case a large children's play area and a floodlit all-weather football pitch are being torn up to make way for it. No amount of angry members of the public pleading to the council stopped it.

Yet if a school which isn't full of Muslims gets ramshackle, it doesn't get rebuilt. It usually just gets a few little extensions added onto it.





Why not do what Sweden does: give a voucher for each child and let the market decide?
 

Machjo

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a voucher? really? what a novel idea.




:roll:

Not that novel. At least one country uses them nationwide, and a few other juridictions to boot.

Then again, maybe a separte Catholic school system is what the UK really needs.
 

Walter

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Somewhere I started a thread about why I left the Anglican Church. I'm with the Presbyterians at the moment but if they start condoning homosexual marriage I'm out the door.
 

gerryh

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Somewhere I started a thread about why I left the Anglican Church. I'm with the Presbyterians at the moment but if they start condoning homosexual marriage I'm out the door.


why, what are you afraid of?
 

karrie

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Not that novel. At least one country uses them nationwide, and a few other juridictions to boot.

Then again, maybe a separte Catholic school system is what the UK really needs.

so, you want to end public funding for separate schools, and instead, publicly fund separate schools. That makes no sense.

Yes, it's more fair in terms of other private schools, but I don't think Canada has the population density to make a system like that work as well.
 

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Homophobe = closet queen. Most are afraid to let their gay flag fly due to Heeby Jeebies over out dated beliefs. Someone should tell them gawd isn't going to make their peckers fall off.
 

Machjo

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so, you want to end public funding for separate schools, and instead, publicly fund separate schools. That makes no sense.

Yes, it's more fair in terms of other private schools, but I don't think Canada has the population density to make a system like that work as well.

The difference is that all religions are treated eually. I don't see why electronic vouchers woudl be an issue. It would all be electronic anyway.

Homophobe = closet queen. Most are afraid to let their gay flag fly due to Heeby Jeebies over out dated beliefs. Someone should tell them gawd isn't going to make their peckers fall off.

That's just as silly an argument as to say that those who support the right to choose are necessarily loose.
 

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One entire Diocese of the Church of England in the UK was merged into the Roman Catholic Church by a majority vote to the members. In the US 29 CR parishes have done the same. 92 more have dropped out od the CE system in the US and have renamed their beliefs as the "reformed Church of England." May be this isn't by accident bit rather in disgust? The Fruit Cake and Nut Job syndrome may be overwhelming for some Christians? The Peanut Buuter and Jamb group may have a problem?
 

Cliffy

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That's just as silly an argument as to say that those who support the right to choose are necessarily loose.
Of course it is. It is just as silly as the arguments against gay marriage.

Matthew 19:5, Genesis 2:24, Ephesians 5:31 because it's my faith.
You don't have faith, you have a belief - two different things altogether.
Homophobe = closet queen. Most are afraid to let their gay flag fly due to Heeby Jeebies over out dated beliefs. Someone should tell them gawd isn't going to make their peckers fall off.
Wassa matta Wally? Did I hit too close to home?
 

Walter

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You don't have faith, you have a belief - two different things altogether.

Wassa matta Wally? Did I hit too close to home?
You're not too bright, are you? That's OK, you can still play.