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captain morgan

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Nonsense, almost all my sources in this thread are Catholic. Read them.


I look forward to your next thread submission that provides a discussion on how you think that some races are inferior to others.... I'm confident that you'll find the appropriate links

And, lighten up!


You have a strong track record in denigrating religion (the RCC in particular).

It's tough to lighten-up when you perpetually reaffirm your intolerance over and over again.
 

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Both believe in Jesus Christ as their savior. However, as I mentioned, astrologers and astronomers both believe in planets, stars, etc. They are hardly the same sort of people, though.

Christianity is built upon a general (and often non-literal) understanding of the scriptures in the Bible.
Catholicism is built upon its own rigid (and often literal) interpretation of the scriptures.

Christian believers are accepted by Christ, based entirely on the merit of his righteousness.
The RCC takes it upon itself to dispense such salvation, hence becoming the only channel Catholics have to their god and Christ.

That is a huge difference.
Some smaller differences:

Christian religions have no problem with women becoming head clergy. The RCC does have a problem with that.
Quite a few Christian churches do not have a problem with people being homosexual. The RCC does.
Quite a few Christian churches do not condemn one for switching to a different denomination. The RCC? You are doomed if you switch to Protestantism or whatever.
Same can be said for abortion. You are doomed if you are a Catholic. Ditto with homosexuality.

IMO, I think the RCC has more in common with Islam than Christianity.
 

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it would be funny if the new pope and the cardinals did a harlem shake video. ;) yeah, I know, hell would have to freeze over first. :(
 

petros

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Les said:
Both believe in Jesus Christ as their savior. However, as I mentioned, astrologers and astronomers both believe in planets, stars, etc. They are hardly the same sort of people, though.
The Vatican's head astronomer says that aliens are people too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/world/europe/14iht-vat.4.12885393.html?_r=0

VATICAN CITY — The Vatican's chief astronomer says there is no conflict between believing in God and in the possibility of extraterrestrial "brothers" perhaps more evolved than humans.

"In my opinion this possibility exists," said the Reverend José Gabriel Funes, head of the Vatican Observatory and a scientific adviser to Pope Benedict XVI, referring to life on other planets.

"How can we exclude that life has developed elsewhere," he said in an interview with the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, published in its Tuesday-Wednesday edition. The large number of galaxies with their own planets makes this possible, he noted.

Asked if he was referring to beings similar to humans or even more evolved than humans, he said: "Certainly, in a universe this big you can't exclude this hypothesis."

In the interview headlined, "The extraterrestrial is my brother," he said he saw no conflict between belief in such beings and faith in God.

"Just as there is a multiplicity of creatures on earth, there can be other beings, even intelligent, created by God. This is not in contrast with our faith because we can't put limits on God's creative freedom," he said.

"Why can't we speak of a 'brother extraterrestrial'? It would still be part of creation."

Funes, who runs the observatory that is based south of Rome and in Arizona, held out the possibility that the human race might actually be the "lost sheep" of the universe.

There could be other beings "who remained in full friendship with their creator," he said.

Christians have sometimes been at odds with scientists over whether the Bible should be read literally and issues such as creationism versus evolution have been debated for decades.

The Inquisition condemned Galileo in the 17th century for insisting that the Earth revolved around the Sun. The Roman Catholic Church did not rehabilitate him until 1992.

Funes said dialogue between faith and science could be improved if scientists learned more about the Bible and the church kept more up to date with scientific progress.

He said he believed as an astronomer that the most likely explanation for the start of the universe was "the big bang," the theory that it sprang into existence from dense matter billions of years ago. But he said this was not in conflict with faith in God as creator. "God is the creator," he said. "There is a sense to creation. We are not children of an accident."

He added: "As an astronomer, I continue to believe that God is the creator of the universe and that we are not the product of something casual but children of a good father who has a project of love in mind for us."

Vatican astronomer says Big Bang theory in tune with creation history

Vatican City, Feb 4, 2012 / 06:09 pm (CNA).

The director of the Vatican Observatory said that the Church is open to the scientific theory that the world began from a cosmic explosion billions of years ago.

“The Big Bang is not in contradiction with the faith, ” Father Jose Gabriel Fune
s said during a Feb. 2 announcement of a Vatican exhibit that will feature photos, research tools and minerals from the Moon and Mars.

The exhibit titled “Stories from another world: The Universe within us and outside us,” will be on display March 10 - July 1 in Pisa, the birthplace of Galileo, the father of modern astronomy.

Fr. Funes told CNA at the event that the Big Bang explanation “is the best theory we have right now about the creation of the universe.”
The theory holds that creation began some 14 billion years ago with a colossal explosion in which space, time, energy and matter were created, and galaxies, stars and planets – which are in continual expansion – came to be.

“We know that God is the creator,” he added, “that He is a good Father who has a providential plan for us, that we are his children, and that we everything we can learn by reason about the origin of the universe is not in contradiction with the religious message of the Bible.”

Fr. Funes said that as an astronomer and a Catholic, he is open to this explanation of the creation of the universe, despite “some yet unanswered questions.”

He noted, for example, that while there is no proof of other intelligent life in the universe, “we cannot rule it out,” since studies show that there are nearly 700 planets orbiting other stars.

“If in the future it was established that life, and intelligent life, exists, which I think would be very difficult, I don’t think this contradicts the religious message of creation because they would also be creatures of God,” he said.

Ultimately, Catholics “should see the cosmos as a gift of God” and should “admire the beauty that exists in the universe.”
“This beauty we see in some way leads us to the beauty of the creator,” he said.

“And also, because God has granted us intelligence and reason, we can find the logos, that rational explanation that exists in the universe that allows us to engage in science as well.”

The Church’s official interest in astronomy dates back to the 16th century. In 1891, Pope Leo XIII decided to officially create the Vatican Observatory to show that the Church is not against scientific development, but rather promotes it.
Since then, the Vatican Observatory has operated out of Castel Gandolfo and uses a telescope located in Tuscon, Arizona, for research
 

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Spade, in response to the omitted submission - I take solace in the fact that we are at different ends of the spectrum. That comment was a strong reaffirmation that this is the case.

I take a lot of comfort in that
 

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Who will be the new poster boy for the faith? Matters not the church preaches one thing
the people do another. The church must change to suit the people or more will drift away.
All churches will face this as education replaces blind faith and belief in old traditions born
centuries ago.
Even the Druids found a lack of followers once education reared its head
 

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Who will be the new poster boy for the faith? Matters not the church preaches one thing
the people do another. The church must change to suit the people or more will drift away.
All churches will face this as education replaces blind faith and belief in old traditions born
centuries ago.
Even the Druids found a lack of followers once education reared its head
Is that why the education system founded, designed and put out to the public by the Jesuits is still around today?
 

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He will be African like Obama, this will help to inspire a renewal in the church, particularly it's old martial traditions. An apple a day is an old tradition,rising with the son is another. What's wrong with old tradition? Traditionally I raise chickens. Are us chicken ranchers to be scorned by the faithful?

Is that why the education system founded, designed and put out to the public by the Jesuits is still around today?

Yeah, education has led us to economic and social ruin. He didn't qualify education.
 

Spade

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Spade, in response to the omitted submission - I take solace in the fact that we are at different ends of the spectrum. That comment was a strong reaffirmation that this is the case.

Yes, you are right; I believe in equality, women's rights, brotherhood, and democracy,
 

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Goob just to help you to understand, people misunderstand what it means to say that the pope is infallible. That only pertains to matters of spirituality with regard to the Catholic Church and it's teachings which is based upon the churches infallibility which is based upon scripture. It doesn't mean he is never wrong in other matters not pertaining to church learning.

Underdstood and thank you - I read up on it last week, quickly but will go over it again. Quite a long read and interesting.
 

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Spade, in response to the omitted submission - I take solace in the fact that we are at different ends of the spectrum. That comment was a strong reaffirmation that this is the case.

I take a lot of comfort in that
And I'm still fascinated by the obsession of the RC Church haters with the Papacy while as a R.C. the only thing I have had an interest i is that there could be a small chance that a Canadian could become Pope.......simply because it is in Canadian news so much.
Otherwise....the mental con torsions that the usual suspects go through with this religion in particular is just simply "interesting" to a "people watcher":lol:
 

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Of course you have a say, just as you do on Islam, Judaism, and Buddhism.

No I do not. I can comment all I want but I have no say.
It is their religion and it is up to RC's from the Pope on down as to what they do.
 

captain morgan

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And I'm still fascinated by the obsession of the RC Church haters with the Papacy while as a R.C. the only thing I have had an interest i is that there could be a small chance that a Canadian could become Pope.......simply because it is in Canadian news so much.
Otherwise....the mental con torsions that the usual suspects go through with this religion in particular is just simply "interesting" to a "people watcher":lol:


No doubt!

For all of the angst, effort and energy that is spent by the usual suspects, you'd almost think that they were trying to convince themselves of something more so than anything else.

... But then again, after observing this unhealthy obsession, it's no wonder that we have so many problems in the world today.