OK, fair enough. I can agree with that.
But it doesn't change the fact that he should be allowed to speak out.
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But it doesn't change the fact that he should be allowed to speak out.
No, he has a problem with homosexuality in general.
I'm sorry Bear, but stating that Homosexuals are 3X more likely to abuse children is more than just "hurting feelings". You have obviously never been accused of this.
I see, so only the "christian" or "religious" take on homosexuality and what is and what is not a "normal" relationship is allowed to be taught in school.
They should be allowed to question, and then taught the truth and facts
He shouldn't have been silenced, but he should have been shown the error in his reasoning.
I have a problem with it too, but not in the way you do. What I am hearing is improper teaching methods.
I don't know if we see eye to eye. Did YOU show your son the error in his reasoning? If not, then we definatley don't see eye to eye.
There is no error in his reasoning.
The natural course of action is to procreate.
Homosexuality naturally occurring anomaly, not the natural process of things.
That doesn't however, make it wrong.
The natural course of evolution is species wide, not individual. That's where pop culture has skewed the science to something egotistical.
Natural evolution presents many, many cases of successful evolution, primate and otherwise, where nonbreeding caregiving units are essential.
Homosexuality, occurring all across nature, is more natural than the human egos assumption that individual genetics are the goal, not species genetics.
Anomaly?
It's "ok", but it's not "natural". Not "natural" is the same argument I hear from the homophobes. There's nothing "un natural" about the persons OR their sexual preferences. Karrie put it quite well in her reply to you.
Very well put. +100
What if it is true???
Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse
An anecdote:
My brother, my friend and I were discussing this very issue a few years ago, only in passing. I said that I didn't think gays were more attracted to children.....my brother (who is gay) looked at me and said "Haven't spent much time on gay porn sites, have you??"
Shocked the hell out of me.
Unfortunately, the idiots that sit on the SCC have decided that it doesn't matter if it is true or not, it must not be said.
Beyond belief.
Oh please, at LEAST try to find an unbiased, unreligious FACTUAL proof for your claim Colpy.
First and foremost, anyone who abuses a child is 'evil', be they heterosexual or homosexual or anything else. Second, people who abuse children sexually are Pedophiles, not straight, gay or whatever.
Third:
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/sciprc/pdf/CHILD_ABUSE.pdf
Child Sexual Assault: Myths and Facts
10 Anti-Gay Myths Debunked | Southern Poverty Law Center
Understanding Child Sexual Abuse: Education, Prevention, and Recovery
A few links for you to look at.
Honestly, there's enough stuff out there to make either side look legit. In that case you have to look at the root of who exactly is suggesting the data, which is where your link fails miserably.
As for your brother... if he's seeing child exploitation on any sites and isn't reporting it that means you either made up this anecdote, or your brother isn't who you think he is. Since I like give people the benefit of the doubt, I'll just call BS on your little story.
Ya, you forwarded that once before.
LOL...
One small failing in your theory is, complete homosexuality in any species spells the death of the species. None breeding caregiver units would be out of work.
Did you need a definition?
Now you're getting it.
Who knew they got something right.
If you buy silly theories based more on emotion than science.
Of course it was well put, to you, it makes you feel all warm, fuzzy and natural, lol.
THAT is giving benefit of the doubt?? I don't think you quite understand the phrase.
There is a huge gray area between indications of certain desires and actual violation of the law.
I promise you, my brother would report actual exploitation of a child in a heartbeat.
And the anecdote is true.
And you should have some basis before you suggest that someone is a liar.
From your link:
HUH???????? I'm sorry, sexual abuse of a male by a male IS homosexuality
From that link
"Offenders are most commonly heterosexual men, even if the victim is a boy."
Once again, male on male IS homosexuality.
In fact, each of your links depends on that same illogical explanation of adult male to male child sexual exploitation...........
So much for that!!!
Complete anything usually spells the end of a species. Species survival usually relies on species adaptability. Why would 'complete homosexuality' be a litmus test for whether something is clearly naturally occurring?
It occurs in every species.
It has remained a stable expression of humanity throughout history.
There is scientific proof of its capacity to aid in species survival, thus its evolutionary importance.
There is definitely an emotional, non-scientific argument at play here Bear, but you're the one giving it.
Because if it weren't an naturally occurring anomaly, read unnatural, no species would exist beyond that point of evolution.
Ya so?
Ya so?
Yes, I've read the same synopsis, they aren't conclusive, and they do not disprove that is an anomaly, or that the natural process of things is to procreate.
Ya, because the natural process of things isn't to have sex and procreate.
I'm not the gay one here, but you go right a head and assume I'm the emotional one, lol.
you're the one attempting to dismiss a logical argument as emotional simply because you disagree with it.
Your conclusion that an anomaly is unnatural is flawed. There is no such thing as 'perfect nature'. It does not exist without anomalies.
anomaly - definition and meaning
n. Deviation or departure from the normal or common order, form, or rule.
n. One that is peculiar, irregular, abnormal, or difficult to classify: "Both men are anomalies: they have . . . likable personalities but each has made his reputation as a heavy” ( David Pauly).
n. Astronomy The angular deviation, as observed from the sun, of a planet from its perihelion.
Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia
n. Deviation from the common rule or analogy; something abnormal or irregular.
n. In astronomy, an angular quantity defining the position of a point in a planetary orbit, taken to increase in the direction of planetary motion. In ancient astronomy it was reckoned from apogee; in early modern astronomy, from aphelion, except in cometary orbits; but since Gauss, from perihelion.
n. In music, a small deviation from a perfect interval in tuning instruments with fixed notes; a temperament.
n. In mod. astron., the angle at the sun between perihelion and the place of a planet.
n. In meteorology, the amount by which a given observed quantity is greater or less than an assumed ideal or normal value; a departure.
Wiktionary
n. A deviation from a rule or from what is regarded as normal.
n. Something or someone that is strange or unusual.
n. science Any event or measurement that is out of the ordinary regardless of whether it is exceptional or not.
n. astronomy Any of various angular distances.
n. biology A defect or malformation.
n. quantum physics A failure of a classical symmetry due to quantum corrections.
n. dated An irregularity or disproportion.
GNU Webster's 1913
n. Deviation from the common rule; an irregularity; anything anomalous.
n. The angular distance of a planet from its perihelion, as seen from the sun. This is the true anomaly. The eccentric anomaly is a corresponding angle at the center of the elliptic orbit of the planet. The mean anomaly is what the anomaly would be if the planet's angular motion were uniform.
n. The angle measuring apparent irregularities in the motion of a planet.
n. (Nat. Hist.) Any deviation from the essential characteristics of a specific type.
WordNet 3.0
n. (astronomy) position of a planet as defined by its angular distance from its perihelion (as observed from the sun)
n. deviation from the normal or common order or form or rule
n. a person who is unusual
Anomalous - definition from Biology-Online.org
Deviating from a general rule, method, or analogy; abnormal; irregular; as, an anomalous proceeding.
Origin: L. Anomalus, gr. Uneven, irregular; priv. _ even, same. See same, and cf. Abnormal.
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n. Deviation or departure from the normal or common order, form, or rule.
n. One that is peculiar, irregular, abnormal, or difficult to classify: "Both men are anomalies: they have . . . likable personalities but each has made his reputation as a heavy” ( David Pauly).
n. Astronomy The angular deviation, as observed from the sun, of a planet from its perihelion.
Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia
n. Deviation from the common rule or analogy; something abnormal or irregular.
n. In astronomy, an angular quantity defining the position of a point in a planetary orbit, taken to increase in the direction of planetary motion. In ancient astronomy it was reckoned from apogee; in early modern astronomy, from aphelion, except in cometary orbits; but since Gauss, from perihelion.
n. In music, a small deviation from a perfect interval in tuning instruments with fixed notes; a temperament.
n. In mod. astron., the angle at the sun between perihelion and the place of a planet.
n. In meteorology, the amount by which a given observed quantity is greater or less than an assumed ideal or normal value; a departure.
Wiktionary
n. A deviation from a rule or from what is regarded as normal.
n. Something or someone that is strange or unusual.
n. science Any event or measurement that is out of the ordinary regardless of whether it is exceptional or not.
n. astronomy Any of various angular distances.
n. biology A defect or malformation.
n. quantum physics A failure of a classical symmetry due to quantum corrections.
n. dated An irregularity or disproportion.
GNU Webster's 1913
n. Deviation from the common rule; an irregularity; anything anomalous.
n. The angular distance of a planet from its perihelion, as seen from the sun. This is the true anomaly. The eccentric anomaly is a corresponding angle at the center of the elliptic orbit of the planet. The mean anomaly is what the anomaly would be if the planet's angular motion were uniform.
n. The angle measuring apparent irregularities in the motion of a planet.
n. (Nat. Hist.) Any deviation from the essential characteristics of a specific type.
WordNet 3.0
n. (astronomy) position of a planet as defined by its angular distance from its perihelion (as observed from the sun)
n. deviation from the normal or common order or form or rule
n. a person who is unusual
Anomalous - definition from Biology-Online.org
Deviating from a general rule, method, or analogy; abnormal; irregular; as, an anomalous proceeding.
Origin: L. Anomalus, gr. Uneven, irregular; priv. _ even, same. See same, and cf. Abnormal.
New Insight into the (Epi)Genetic Roots of Homosexuality | TIME.com
I don't disagree with it, it isn't conclusive for one, and it doesn't disprove what I said for another, lol.
The only emotion here, is from you and Gh, you're both arguing against me from a position of defending homosexuality from attack. It's clouding your judgment and reason.
Because I'm not attacking homosexuality.
Perhaps a clumsy use of English, but an anomaly is not the nature process.
Just because it occurs in nature, doesn't make it "natural" within the context I have used the word.
I agree.
I'm simply discussing a point, not 'defending it against attack'. Note I haven't had the time to delve into Colpy's discussion, and haven't told him to be quiet, etc. Gerry very pointedly said that discussion and education are crucial, not attempting to silence someone
And actually, when you are discussing nature and breeding, the term 'natural' means something very specific, not just what you intend it to mean within your context. it becomes impossible to have a discussion regarding whether it's 'natural' or not, if you're using a term differently than everyone else. And I guarantee that when your son stands up in class and says 'it's unnatural', people are not assuming he has a different meaning for natural than the rest of the audience does.
Something being unnatural implies that it is out of step with nature. Homosexuality is not. It is perfectly in keeping with the naturally occurring variations of virtually all animals on the face of this planet. Ergo, natural.
And your point being?
No, it means exactly what I said, (As well as many other definitions) and if you want to be all scientific about, I'm still right.
If everyone else is using emotion maybe.
Of course, because they have a myopic understand of the word and can't get past the feelings of being attacked.
That's right. Which homosexuality is, lol.
Yes it is. Even the studies you would forward about monkey's, sheep and whatnot, say the same thing.
Even geneticists studying the genetic aspects of call it an anomaly.
Even those that claim it's caused by nurture, call it an anomaly.
It is out of step with the natural process of procreation in all species, except asexual, and is anomalous. Ergo unnatural.
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