Cons want RCMP to investigate abortions

karrie

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It's going to prove nothing and it's going to cost a load of money and for what. You know that. They would have died regardless, they were aborted. You ensure that late term abortions aren't being done past a point. Go for that if there is this huge concern that children are being murdered. It's ridiculous. It is anti abortion emotional masterbation. Take the worst possible scenario and start pulling on it.


You just advocated stripping Canadian women of their current right to choice, and allowing doctors to break the law as it currently stands surrounding the murder of live births.

Well then it truly is a waste of time, because according to the law it was not murder.

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According to the law, if they take a fetus out of its mother, THEN kill it, it's murder.

No matter what age. No matter what viability.

I see no reason not to investigate if that's been happening in Canadian hospitals.

If abortions are being performed in unnecessarily shoddy or cruel ways, we deserve better.


One other important note (sorry, I skimmed her article so I apologize if I'm repeating anything).

My pro-life stance has led me to be very definitely not 'anti-abortion' per se, and the big reason is that typical pro-life advocates always attack late term abortion first.

The reality is, if a woman is having to go for a late term abortion, that is when her life depends on said abortion. That is when things have gone absolutely sideways, her health is at risk, etc. They account for roughly .7% of Canadian abortions for a reason, and that's because they are rarely a 'choice'.
 

gerryh

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Well then it truly is a waste of time, because according to the law it was not murder.


Once the baby has "exited" and is alive, killing it at that point makes it murder. By law, and by you and your fellow "pro choicers" definition of when a fetus becomes a baby.
 

CDNBear

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Once the baby has "exited" and is alive, killing it at that point makes it murder. By law, and by you and your fellow "pro choicers" definition of when a fetus becomes a baby.
Easy now, I'm pro choice and believe life begins when sperm meets egg.
 

captain morgan

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Easy now, I'm pro choice and believe life begins when sperm meets egg.

I never really had a defined position in terms of pro choice/life; but after having ample opportunity to observe the logic of a number of the usual suspects on CC; I think that I could get behind increasing the gestational limits to say 30 or 40 years after exiting the womb.
 

damngrumpy

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The people with the placards in front of hospitals will try anything to make themselves
relevant. The subject will eventually go away. Intent is to have control over women so
they reproduce and men have the control of law, that is the same around the world.
If they want women to have children in a modern society, they have to have incentives
that is right incentives. Women can get along without children there is a career path now
they can chose to divorce and do their own thing. Actually the same can be said for men
these days the old traditional roads we were on are being challenged more and more.
Is it right? Is it wrong? That is not the point its the way it is and governments, churches
and society better understand that.
Religion should not dictate to society period. They should obey and be subject to the laws
of the land period.
Now if you want to be relevant change your ways, what is that old saying? Lead, follow or
get out of the way. If you are going to lead you have to have something appealing to lead
with, and that is where the problems start.
It is coming to every family including mine. I hear the younger ones saying they are not having
kids its to much trouble. Mind you i have twenty two grand kids now, but the late teen ones are
skipping the kids thing for toys and money.. Yes I think its sad, but we have a whole lot of
problems today in society and the young people are not prepared to go through all that.
 

gerryh

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The people with the placards in front of hospitals will try anything to make themselves
relevant. The subject will eventually go away. Intent is to have control over women so
they reproduce and men have the control of law, that is the same around the world.
If they want women to have children in a modern society, they have to have incentives
that is right incentives. Women can get along without children there is a career path now
they can chose to divorce and do their own thing. Actually the same can be said for men
these days the old traditional roads we were on are being challenged more and more.
Is it right? Is it wrong? That is not the point its the way it is and governments, churches
and society better understand that.
Religion should not dictate to society period. They should obey and be subject to the laws
of the land period.
Now if you want to be relevant change your ways, what is that old saying? Lead, follow or
get out of the way. If you are going to lead you have to have something appealing to lead
with, and that is where the problems start.
It is coming to every family including mine. I hear the younger ones saying they are not having
kids its to much trouble. Mind you i have twenty two grand kids now, but the late teen ones are
skipping the kids thing for toys and money.. Yes I think its sad, but we have a whole lot of
problems today in society and the young people are not prepared to go through all that.


ROFLMFAO..... ya.... another one willing to sweep under the rug and turn a blind eye to those taking advantage of our non existent laws concerning abortion. But then again, it's not really a human, right dg? Not really worth the time, effort, or more importantly, the money to check. It's only a baby.
 

Highball

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I retired as a career firefighter in a late metropolitan area. We were busy daily with many different emergency calls. One day we responded to a house fire which when we entered we discover six fires burning actively in six different locations. We did suppress the fires. BUT on the floors were bloody sheets and linens and it place had a terrible odor inside. We did a complete search thinking there may be more fires. We discovered in a closet a bundle of bloody sheets. They were removed and wrapped in those sheets were eight long term fetus. All had finger and toe nails and all had been dismembered. In fact beheaded too. It was an experience I hope will never happen again. Later it was determined that this was an abortion mill and was burned intentionally hoping to destroy the evidence. No one was ever apprehended for these hideous crimes.
 

JLM

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MPs’ request to have RCMP investigate abortions is way off base

A letter from three Conservative MPs who are opposed to abortion asking the RCMP to investigate what they call “the killing of Canadian children” is an unwelcome move. The abortion debate is not something Canadians have shown an interest in reopening. And the letter itself is troubling because it betrays a misunderstanding of the law, and of the dangers of politicians turning to the Mounties to investigate cases based on a personal political agenda.

The three backbench MPs, led by Maurice Vellacott of Saskatoon-Wanuskewin, want the RCMP to open homicide investigations into cases of mid- and late-term abortions that they say may have resulted in live births. They claim that Statistics Canada listed 491 such births between 2000 and 2009. They say in their letter that, under the Criminal Code, “a child is considered a human being and a person after proceeding fully from the mother’s womb.” They state categorically that anyone involved in the extremely rare case of an abortion that involves a live fetus “is guilty of homicide,” and they “formally request” RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson to pursue investigations into the 491 cases.

Mr. Vellacott and his two allies have failed to take into account that, in Canada, abortion is not covered by the Criminal Code. The Supreme Court ruled in 1988 that using the threat of criminal sanction to force a woman to carry a child to term is a violation of her constitutional right to security of the person. Parliament has never brought in legislation to fill the gap created by that ruling. If that ever changes, it will be up to Parliament to do it, not to the police. The Mounties don’t exist to do what the government has been unable, or afraid, to do legislatively

Finally, backbench MPs should not be using their position to formally request RCMP investigations into the lives of Canadians whose actions they are on the record as being morally opposed to. Prime Minister Stephen Harper has distanced himself from his three MPs and their letter. One hopes Commissioner Paulson will be as wise.

MPs

More f**kin' fodder for bureaucrats

ROFLMFAO..... ya.... another one willing to sweep under the rug and turn a blind eye to those taking advantage of our non existent laws concerning abortion. But then again, it's not really a human, right dg? Not really worth the time, effort, or more importantly, the money to check. It's only a baby.

I hear you, Gerry and I wished there was more people who thought like you on this subject, but I think for the foreseeable future we are outnumbered. The welfare of the victim is secondary and doing investigations at this time would only create reams of "red tape" and line the pockets of bureaucrats and lawyers. If it is the most important issue on election day, you can only place your vote accordingly.
 

DaSleeper

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I hear you, Gerry and I wished there was more people who thought like you on this subject, but I think for the foreseeable future we are outnumbered. The welfare of the victim is secondary and doing investigations at this time would only create reams of "red tape" and line the pockets of bureaucrats and lawyers. If it is the most important issue on election day, you can only place your vote accordingly.



When is it too much trouble to uphold the law????
 

taxslave

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From the OP there is no evidence offered that live births were terminated. Just some vague accusations by a group with an agenda. This does not justify spending police time to investigate.
 

CDNBear

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From the OP there is no evidence offered that live births were terminated. Just some vague accusations by a group with an agenda. This does not justify spending police time to investigate.
They said the same thing about sex trade workers disappearing in BC.
 

taxslave

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Doesn't matter, they said the same thing.

How'd that turn out?

I would be more inclined to agree if the call for an investigation came from within the medical community. But this isn't the case. The call is from people with an agenda that are on a witch hunt.
 

petros

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I'm against abortion and I'm against nut jobs like Vellacott abusing power, position and public funds to spearhead a PERSONAL belief.

Did the majority of residents in the Toontown-Waneskewin riding ask for this on their behalf?
 

gerryh

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I'm against abortion and I'm against nut jobs like Vellacott abusing power, position and public funds to spearhead a PERSONAL belief.

Did the majority of residents in the Toontown-Waneskewin riding ask for this on their behalf?

No you're not.