Cons want RCMP to investigate abortions

[karrie]

Obviously she does. Obviously she has no problem with those acts.

I didn't take that away from any of what she said.

 

[gerryh]

"partially aborted fetus" tells me how little regard she has for the unborn.

 

[Sal]

Describe a 'partially aborted fetus'.

What you have to understand is that inducing labour before a certain cut-off date (I'm not sure what it is), is considered abortion too. So, when Suzie finds out her child has spinabifida so bad that she's barely recognizable as human, and decides to have an 'early labour', what she's really having is an abortion. Doctors dilate her cervix, induce contractions, remove the fetus. They wrap it in a blanket, they give it to Suzie, and Suzie loves and adores that child until it draws its last breath. That's still an abortion. What they don't do, is crush its skull, or slit its throat, or toss it in a dumpster, once they've delivered it. That's murder. If drawing that line is 'curtailing abortion', do you really want to be on the side of abortion?

No absolutely not, but is that truly what this is about? NO.

Once the fetus reaches that place where it can live apart from Susie, it is now a baby and Susie no longer has that option. Period. If her child has spinabifida so bad that she's barely recongnizable as human I doubt Susie would want it wrapped in a blanket to adore it. What you have described here sounds like a horror story that one would never recover from.

They believe abortion is murder. This is the toe in the door to prevention.

Obviously she does. Obviously she has no problem with those acts.




Your post didn't deserve anymore than what it got. Bullshyte is bullshyte.

lovely Gerry, just deeply convincing ... you've won me over already...

 

[gerryh]

No absolutely not, but is that truly what this is about? NO.

Once the fetus reaches that place where it can live apart from Susie, it is now a baby and Susie no longer has that option. Period. If her child has spinabifida so bad that she's barely recongnizable as human I doubt Susie would want it wrapped in a blanket to adore it. What you have described here sounds like a horror story that one would never recover from.

They believe abortion is murder. This is the toe in the door to prevention.

No, allowing late term abortions where the "fetus" is viable and then purposely killing that baby IS murder. Allowing this continue is the first step to fully legitimizing infanticide.

or is that what you are hoping for?

 

[karrie]

No absolutely not, but is that truly what this is about? NO.

Once the fetus reaches that place where it can live apart from Susie, it is now a baby and Susie no longer has that option. Period. If her child has spinabifida so bad that she's barely recongnizable as human I doubt Susie would want it wrapped in a blanket to adore it. What you have described here sounds like a horror story that one would never recover from.

They believe abortion is murder. This is the toe in the door to prevention.

You underestimate a mother's love. I know 'Suzie'. Not every woman undergoing an abortion is doing so because they didn't want their baby.

As for 'is that truly what this is about'... does it matter if they have a hidden agenda? Does it matter what their views are? The only way anyone is getting prosecuted is if they've actually been snuffing out live births, which is already clearly against the law.

So what is the problem other than disliking the people asking?

 

[Sal]

No, allowing late term abortions where the "fetus" is viable and then purposely killing that baby IS murder. Allowing this continue is the first step to fully legitimizing infanticide.

or is that what you are hoping for?

yes gerry, that's what I am hoping for, exactly right.

 

[CDNBear]

No absolutely not, but is that truly what this is about? NO.

In your opinion.

I'm pro choice, and their request seems quite reasonable to me.

Once the fetus reaches that place where it can live apart from Susie, it is now a baby and Susie no longer has that option.

I agree.

So you and I believe the same as the MP's in the OP.

So why is that's OK, but having the rumours investigated is abhorrent?

This is the toe in the door to prevention.

That's conjecture on your part.

you underestimate a mother's love. I know 'suzie'. Not every woman undergoing an abortion is doing so because they didn't want their baby.

As for 'is that truly what this is about'... Does it matter if they have a hidden agenda? Does it matter what their views are? The only way anyone is getting prosecuted is if they've actually been snuffing out live births, which is already clearly against the law.

So what is the problem other than disliking the people asking?

+100

 

[Sal]

You underestimate a mother's love. I know 'Suzie'. Not every woman undergoing an abortion is doing so because they didn't want their baby.

As for 'is that truly what this is about'... does it matter if they have a hidden agenda? Does it matter what their views are? The only way anyone is getting prosecuted is if they've actually been snuffing out live births, which is already clearly against the law.

So what is the problem other than disliking the people asking?

The agenda is not even hidden. They are quite clear on their agenda. “a child is considered a human being and a person after proceeding fully from the mother’s womb.” They state categorically that anyone involved in the extremely rare case of an abortion that involves a live fetus “is guilty of homicide,” and they “formally request” RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson to pursue investigations into the 491 cases.

Abortions involving a live human fetus is murder. They want to press murder charges.

It is that simple.

 

[gerryh]

yes gerry, that's what I am hoping for, exactly right.

Then what's the problem with investigating these late term "abortions"? The only thing I can see is that you want to ensure that the murder of baby's continues. Or that you don't want to know how these types of things are being kept under wraps and out of sight. Either way, I would put you complicit in these actions.

The agenda is not even hidden. They are quite clear on their agenda. “a child is considered a human being and a person after proceeding fully from the mother’s womb.” They state categorically that anyone involved in the extremely rare case of an abortion that involves a live fetus “is guilty of homicide,” and they “formally request” RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson to pursue investigations into the 491 cases.

Abortions involving a live human fetus is murder. They want to press murder charges.

It is that simple.

Exactly. The baby has been born, and even by the "pro choice" advocates that is when a fetus becomes a baby. After it has been born, and if the baby is now breathing and IS viable, killing it is now murder.

 

[karrie]

The agenda is not even hidden. They are quite clear on their agenda. “a child is considered a human being and a person after proceeding fully from the mother’s womb.” They state categorically that anyone involved in the extremely rare case of an abortion that involves a live fetus “is guilty of homicide,” and they “formally request” RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson to pursue investigations into the 491 cases.

Abortions involving a live human fetus is murder. They want to press murder charges.

It is that simple.

I know! And it's justified, by law, in black and white.

Just like the right to have an abortion is justified, by law, in black and white.

But there has to be a line.

Once a child is born, we're not allowed to kill it. How dare they hey?

 

[Sal]

In your opinion.

I'm pro choice, and their request seems quite reasonable to me.

I agree.

So you and I believe the same as the MP's in the OP.

So why is that's OK, but having the rumours investigated is abhorrent?

That's conjecture on your part.

It's a waste of time and money.

Enforce the abortion time requirement properly and move on.

Abortion is legal, that is not going to change. Ensure it is being done correctly.

I know! And it's justified, by law, in black and white.

Just like the right to have an abortion is justified, by law, in black and white.

But there has to be a line.

Once a child is born, we're not allowed to kill it. How dare they hey?

Absolutely agree, that there has to be a line. But you are going to prove nothing. It is over and done with so yes, how dare they take this approach through the backdoor with their agenda.

 

[gerryh]

It's a waste of time and money.

Investigating the possible murder of a child is a waste of time and money? Really?

Enforce the abortion time requirement properly and move on.

What abortion time requirement? You're starting to sound like someone that really doesn't have a clue.

Abortion is legal, that is not going to change. Ensure it is being done correctly.

Ok, that is what these men want the RCMP to do. Investigate and make sure that it is being done correctly.

 

[CDNBear]

It's a waste of time and money.

I disagree.

Enforce the abortion time requirement properly and move on.

How do you do that without an investigation?

Ensure it is being done correctly.

How do we do that without an investigation?

 

[gerryh]

Absolutely agree, that there has to be a line. But you are going to prove nothing. It is over and done with so yes, how dare they take this approach through the backdoor with their agenda.

By over and done with, do you mean the baby is dead so let it go?

 

[karrie]

But you are going to prove nothing. It is over and done with so yes, how dare they take this approach through the backdoor with their agenda.

yeah, most murders are over and done with. But we still prosecute them.

It's a waste of time and money.

Enforce the abortion time requirement properly and move on.

Abortion is legal, that is not going to change. Ensure it is being done correctly.

Canada does not have an 'abortion time requirement'. Abortion can take place right up until the fetus has fully exited the birth canal at nine months gestation.

 

[Sal]

I disagree.

How do you do that without an investigation?

How do we do that without an investigation?

It's going to prove nothing and it's going to cost a load of money and for what. You know that. They would have died regardless, they were aborted. You ensure that late term abortions aren't being done past a point. Go for that if there is this huge concern that children are being murdered. It's ridiculous. It is anti abortion emotional masterbation. Take the worst possible scenario and start pulling on it.

 

[gerryh]

It's going to prove nothing and it's going to cost a load of money and for what. You know that. They would have died regardless, they were aborted. You ensure that late term abortions aren't being done past a point. Go for that if there is this huge concern that children are being murdered. It's ridiculous. It is anti abortion emotional masterbation. Take the worst possible scenario and start pulling on it.

ummmmmmmm..... so you are now advocating putting restrictions on abortion before birth?

 

[Sal]

yeah, most murders are over and done with. But we still prosecute them.



Canada does not have an 'abortion time requirement'. Abortion can take place right up until the fetus has fully exited the birth canal at nine months gestation.

Well then it truly is a waste of time, because according to the law it was not murder.

 

[CDNBear]

It's going to prove nothing and it's going to cost a load of money and for what.

Do you know that for certain?

You know that.

No, no I don't. Which is why I support a full investigation.

 

[Sal]

Do you know that for certain?

No, no I don't. Which is why I support a full investigation.

Actually read what Karrie just wrote. We can discuss this until we die, but the law is the law.

I didn't know that, I thought there would be a time limit.