A very Hitler Christmas

[CDNBear]

No, I am not vilifying Catholics.

So you say, and if you're being honest, than you're using flawed logic to come to your conclusions.

The following quote of yours is an excellent example of that...

It is just that Hitler was born into a Catholic family. He was baptized a Catholic.

So what?

So was I.

So are many of the atheists I know.

 

[Cliffy]

I see the same thing- Where is the objectivity-

As we know there are fanatics fringe groups in most religions. Very few believe the West Borrow gang are Christian either. Personally, I find it hard to focus on Hitler's crimes against humanity while everybody conveniently ignores the the untold millions of Native Americans killed by monarchies and democracies, many in the name of God and country. Hitler was a nasty scumbag, but is he any worse than those responsible for the ethnic cleansing in our own back yard? Were the Germans any worse than us? History is written by the victors. and we did a good job of white washing our own history.

 

[Goober]

As we know there are fanatics fringe groups in most religions. Very few believe the West Borrow gang are Christian either. Personally, I find it hard to focus on Hitler's crimes against humanity while everybody conveniently ignores the the untold millions of Native Americans killed by monarchies and democracies, many in the name of God and country. Hitler was a nasty scumbag, but is he any worse than those responsible for the ethnic cleansing in our own back yard? Were the Germans any worse than us? History is written by the victors. and we did a good job of white washing our own history.

We have done an excellent job of not teaching history. That is the problem.

 

[Spade]

So was mother Theresa, and many Catholics I know.

We have done an excellent job of not teaching history. That is the problem.

Or, avoiding it.

 

[Cliffy]

We have done an excellent job of not teaching history. That is the problem.

Which history? Show me one history book that is anything other than spin.

 

[CDNBear]

So was mother Theresa, and many Catholics I know.

Ahhh, so agenda it is.

Good to know.

Or, avoiding it.

You picked that skill up quite well.

 

[Spade]

No agenda other than honesty.

 

[Goober]

Which history? Show me one history book that is anything other than spin.

Like anything- if it is taught and interests you then follow the road an educate yourself. Leaving that to others well shows the person is lacking in the willingness to learn. Lacks the personal drive to learn.

Expecting schools to teach all is ludicrous.

So was mother Theresa, and many Catholics I know.



Or, avoiding it.

Answered above.

 

[Cliffy]

Like anything- if it is taught and interests you then follow the road an educate yourself. Leaving that to others well shows the person is lacking in the willingness to learn. Lacks the personal drive to learn.

Expecting schools to teach all is ludicrous.


Answered above.

Precisely why I never stopped learning to think for myself. I read all the angles and subscribe to none. History is his story. Hard to pick sides with so many conflicting "facts". Keep an open mind, and all that...

 

[Goober]

Precisely why I never stopped learning to think for myself. I read all the angles and subscribe to none. History is his story. Hard to pick sides with so many conflicting "facts". Keep an open mind, and all that...

The present school system can suck- I had one science teacher in Charlottetown. Mr Morris. Best teacher - would help any student after hours- was always there. One hell of a teacher- Impacted in a positive way many students.

 

[Spade]

Do you not agree, Goober, that the original post is an attempt to absolve Christianity?

 

[petros]

If you read Bonhoeffer, you'll see how you're wrong.

Reallly? So Kabbalists aren't Jews and Jesuits aren't Christians because they practice mysticism as part of their Religion? Oooooookay.

 

[Cliffy]

Do you not agree, Goober, that the original post is an attempt to absolve Christianity?

It attempts to absolve a lot of people, not just Christians.

 

[petros]

Sounds more like you guys have beliefs you are willing to set aside to further an agenda, than be objective and consistent.

Sounds like your missing the big picture thanks to your agenda based on the opinions of an author. What was his agenda? Making a dollar?

 

[Goober]

Do you not agree, Goober, that the original post is an attempt to absolve Christianity?

I think that this is an excellent topic for discussion.

Were so called Christians behind the massacres Yes- Was Hitler a Christian- In my opinion- No.

The Soviets were atheists - does that lay the mass slaughters at the feet of all atheists- No

 

[wulfie68]

And it is rather unfair to blame the holocaust entirely on the Nazis. The rest of the world knew what Hitler was up to and did nothing to stop him when they could prior to the war. Turning away the ship of fools places the blame squarely on everyone's shoulders. Pointing fingers at Hitler is a deflection of guilt and an act of denial. The whole world took part in the holocaust and now blindly supports Israel out of a sense of collective guilt.

No its not unfair to blame the holocaust on the Nazis: if you do something wrong and I know you're doing it but am too far away or can't stop you for some other reason, it doesn't make me complicit in your action. The Nazis killed the jews, communists, socialist, gypsies and everyone else they felt like, and that is on THEM. What is on others is the turning away of refugee/refusing to grant them asylum from the Nazi crimes. Two different acts, and while both are disgusting, there are orders of magnitude between them.

 

[Cliffy]

No its not unfair to blame the holocaust on the Nazis: if you do something wrong and I know you're doing it but am too far away or can't stop you for some other reason, it doesn't make me complicit in your action. The Nazis killed the jews, communists, socialist, gypsies and everyone else they felt like, and that is on THEM. What is on others is the turning away of refugee/refusing to grant them asylum from the Nazi crimes. Two different acts, and while both are disgusting, there are orders of magnitude between them.

If you want to talk magnitude, then let's discus the North and South American holocaust.

 

[Spade]

If you want to talk magnitude, then let's discus the North and South American holocaust.

In Cusco, Peru, in the cathedral, Catedral de Santo Domingo, hangs a painting of the Last Supper completed in 1753 by the Inca artist Zapata. The face of Judas is the Spanish conquistador Pizarro.

 

[Cliffy]

In Cusco, Peru, in the cathedral, Catedral de Santo Domingo, hangs a painting of the Last Supper completed in 1753 by the Inca artist Zapata. The face of Judas is the Spanish conquistador Pizarro.

In '88 a friend and I went to a museum in Mexico city that was entirely dedicated to the history of Mexico as represented by hundreds of crucified, bleeding Jesus statues. Most gruesome thing I ever saw.

 

[captain morgan]

That's not in denial.

What is patently false is, that Adolph was a Christian in anything but a facade.

What he preached at the podium, is not what he believed in his mind, nor what he conveyed to his peers out of the spot light.

Anyone can stand before the mic and say anything the audience wants to here, politicians today have mastered it.

To deny that politicians tell people what they want to hear, and not what he/she really believes, is to deny the obvious.

With Adolph's own words no less.

Regrettably, that reality is not enough for those that have the motivation to hate a particular philosophy/ideal... Sadly, I've seen similar logic in Canadian culture relative to Fn's... All one needs is a singular example of misuse or transgression and magically, the entire group is vilified by one myopic brush.

I find it odd that today you guys have no problem believing every word out of a politicians mouth is a lie.

Ironic, isn't it.. The same bevy of usual suspects that desperately cling to the 'political crutch' in generalizing all with a smear when it suits their agenda, vehemently condemn those very actions when it questions their perspective.

No, I am not vilifying Catholics.

Of course you're not.. You're just being extra selective in what information that is being selected for subjective analysis... Say, was Hitler left handed or right handed?... I'm certain that you could flex in drawing parallels on how Galileo or Buddha was ambidextrous, therefore it's fact that he was the precursor to Hitler.

it's reasonable, isn't it?

It is just that Hitler was born into a Catholic family. He was baptized a Catholic.

There is nothing that will alter your preconceived views.. Hitlers childhood neighbours could have been direct descendants of the Black Panthers and you'll still find a way to pin this on your preferred whipping boy

In '88 a friend and I went to a museum in Mexico city that was entirely dedicated to the history of Mexico as represented by hundreds of crucified, bleeding Jesus statues. Most gruesome thing I ever saw.

how did that compare to the millions of 'sacrificial offerings' that were perpetuated by the Inca and Mayans in their relatively short history?