Up to 2,000 Chinese miners on their way to BC
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Hello, they advertised for miners who spoke Mandarin. Its Tory-corporate agenda scam to lower wages. Its all down at a very high level so the peons are left out. Screw the Harperites and BC Liberals.
Do you know why or you are just flying off the handle without any awarenesss of the project?
That is the whole point. These will not be high paying jobs. They will be slave labour and the company (Chinese government) also claims they are not subject to our safety laws either.
They are going to pay them close to Chinese wages as well we as Canadians should be
preventing this at all costs. They will soon flood the workforce with cheap foreign workers.
It is time to say if you bring them in you pay all Canadian wages and benefits and non of
this oh its a Chinese company nonsense. First we let companies ship out the jobs and now
they are trying to wedge their way in here with foreign labour enough already
preventing this at all costs. They will soon flood the workforce with cheap foreign workers.
It is time to say if you bring them in you pay all Canadian wages and benefits and non of
this oh its a Chinese company nonsense. First we let companies ship out the jobs and now
they are trying to wedge their way in here with foreign labour enough already
The Chinese are brining their workers to train Canadians their tech and then they split leaving Canadians working in a Chinese mine.
If I had to make the decision of using Canadian labour or Chinese labour to build his mine, neither would be digging there. There are going to accidents. Whoever approved this seems to be okay with that.
Where is this happening in the US? It isn't nation wide I tell you that. Massachusetts Welfare recipients can do as many drugs as they want and they'll still get their checks. Our Democrat controlled government squashed that idea of drug testing welfare recipients.
Miners Could Have Been Trained Here Easily
Longwall coal mining is hardly the rare, elite skill politicians want us to believe
And despite the international controversy importing Chinese workers has created, Canadian Kailuan Dehua Mines -- a "co-partnership company" with HD Mining -- still has ads posted on the Mining Association of B.C. website looking for miners which state that: "Mandarin Chinese is definitely an asset" in getting hired at one of its planned B.C. coal mines.
There's no excuse for importing temporary foreign workers given that it has been well known since 2007 that Chinese coal companies were planning on developing mines in northeast B.C.
And in 2008 a provincial task force recommended creating a new underground miner-training program to deal with an expected shortage.
But unlike in the U.S., absolutely nothing was done in B.C. to meet that need.
Instead, the governments of both B.C. and Canada and have abdicated their responsibilities.
And now the Conservative federal government is about to ratify the Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA) with China that will make such travesties even more common.
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The Tyee – Miners Could Have Been Trained Here Easily
Ahhh haaa... Dey took yur jerb
They Took Our Jobs! (Goobacks) - YouTube
It's a fundamental human right to have the option of consuming illegal and illicit drugs... And as we all know, state-sponsored drugs are the best drugs.
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Derba derb!
Tell me about it. My sis-inlaw and her estranged A-Stan veteran hubby sure got f*cked up on Karzai's finest.
Labour brokers may be charging Chinese miners up to $16,000 for the chance to work in Canadian mines as temporary foreign workers, a CBC investigation has found.
The National visited a prominent recruitment agency in Beijing carrying hidden cameras. Investigators posing as miners learned that workers with minimal mining experience are being offered positions in Canadian gold, copper and potash mines.
Recruiters said that, once working in Canada, miners would be paid no less than $10 per hour. Permanent workers in Canada’s underground and surface mines are paid on average $25 to $30 per hour.
Investigators also learned that workers are asked to pay a deposit of several thousand dollars to secure a spot in a Canadian mine. The agency said that the remainder of the $16,000 fee is taken directly from the miner’s paycheque until paid in full.
The recruiters claim that the deduction occurs with the knowledge of the employer, although the agency provided no proof that it was acting on behalf of a specific company or business.
In Canada, it is illegal for employers to charge recruitment fees to temporary foreign workers.
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Chinese miners asked to pay for Canadian jobs - British Columbia - CBC News
The National visited a prominent recruitment agency in Beijing carrying hidden cameras. Investigators posing as miners learned that workers with minimal mining experience are being offered positions in Canadian gold, copper and potash mines.
Recruiters said that, once working in Canada, miners would be paid no less than $10 per hour. Permanent workers in Canada’s underground and surface mines are paid on average $25 to $30 per hour.
Investigators also learned that workers are asked to pay a deposit of several thousand dollars to secure a spot in a Canadian mine. The agency said that the remainder of the $16,000 fee is taken directly from the miner’s paycheque until paid in full.
The recruiters claim that the deduction occurs with the knowledge of the employer, although the agency provided no proof that it was acting on behalf of a specific company or business.
In Canada, it is illegal for employers to charge recruitment fees to temporary foreign workers.
more
Chinese miners asked to pay for Canadian jobs - British Columbia - CBC News
Has anything changed since the construction of the C.P.R.?
Is that Ukrainian?
This is the good ol' torys getting some cheap labour for their pals in the mining industry.Did you happen to see the bit on the news this morning,the aplications have must speak manderin,now I didn't catch what mineing outfit that was for but I wouldn't get all excited just yet. Smells like bait to me.
Miners Could Have Been Trained Here Easily
Longwall coal mining is hardly the rare, elite skill politicians want us to believe
And despite the international controversy importing Chinese workers has created, Canadian Kailuan Dehua Mines -- a "co-partnership company" with HD Mining -- still has ads posted on the Mining Association of B.C. website looking for miners which state that: "Mandarin Chinese is definitely an asset" in getting hired at one of its planned B.C. coal mines.
There's no excuse for importing temporary foreign workers given that it has been well known since 2007 that Chinese coal companies were planning on developing mines in northeast B.C.
And in 2008 a provincial task force recommended creating a new underground miner-training program to deal with an expected shortage.
But unlike in the U.S., absolutely nothing was done in B.C. to meet that need.
Instead, the governments of both B.C. and Canada and have abdicated their responsibilities.
And now the Conservative federal government is about to ratify the Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA) with China that will make such travesties even more common.
more
The Tyee – Miners Could Have Been Trained Here Easily
There is a working underground coalmine in Grande Cache , Alta......now I know a lot of those boys and they applied for this and were told they had already filled the positions. Mining as a whole is being ignored training wise and it is very hard to break into unless you have experience,the only problem is that in 10 years most of the experience will have retired here so I guess we bring in those expert killers...I mean miners from those safe Chinese companies and mines.
Westray should ring a bell with all and here is what will happen after those miners are here mining....there will be a news flash saying that 20 or more miners were killed or are trapped underground. The politicians will all say "how did this happen...we need an inquiry to blame someone for this horrible disaster." Then after 5 years we forget and repeat same mistakes killing more folks like us at work.
How can they hire them. ..Obviously the Chinese don't have "the Canadian Experience ".
hahaha .
Normally, I am a free-trader and don't want government meddling in an activity that should be left to the individuals or companies involved. However, in this case, I am opposed to the decision to import Chinese miners; the import of these mine workers should have been blocked. Our economy is still not at the point it was before the 2009 recession, so I am sure there are many Canadians who would have taken the work. If not, the company could have considered American miners: America is still suffering from high unemployment, America has miners, and America is part of the NAFTA agreement . Perhaps some unemployed miners from West Virginia or Pennsylvania would have been interested in those jobs. And they would have contributed a lot more to the local community. If Americans could not be found, the search should have been expanded to other NAFTA partners. And so on. But the employer did not do that; the Chinese company went straight to importing their own people. Their initial job posting even listed Mandarin as a requirement of the job:
Mandarin required in worker permits for B.C. mine project
Yet now when they are in the public eye, they plead innocence, or claim it was a mistake. Yeah, right!
Usually, when a new business starts up in a community, that community enjoys some positive results from the growth: more money flowing around, more people, more support for local businesses, etc. For example, perhaps the community was formerly too small to support a children's hockey team, or a community swimming pool, etc. When the economy and population grows, a point is reached where the community can support one or more children's hockey teams. Or there become enough consumers for it to be feasible for somebody to open a local sporting goods store (instead of having to drive two hours to a bigger town that does have a sporting goods store). Or the local churches gain some members filling the pews, perhaps reaching the point that a choir can be formed. etc.
You get the point: usually when there is economic growth, it leads to population growth and positive effects in the community. However, when the Chinese come to town, I do not believe those benefits are as many or as large as they are when another group comes to town. Instead, they stick to themselves. They eat Chinese food, buying from other Chinese instead of supporting local supermarkets. They buy their clothes from China instead of supporting the local stores. I am almost certain they will even bring their own work boots with them, so not even the local Mark's Work Wearhouse will get any additional business from the presence of these new workers (I hope somebody is checking to make sure their boots have the little green triangle on the side to indicate CSA-approved) . The local hockey teams do not get more potential sign-ups, or a bigger audience. At Christmas, they won't be out caroling or participating in other community activities. They stick to themselves. The Chinese will come to take what they can and give back as little as possible.
Don't believe me? Spend time in any large city in Canada. The Chinese have created their own enclave in most of them. Chinese companies use Chinese travel agents, Chinese bankers, Chinese bakers, Chinese plumbers, Chinese electricians, etc. If you offer a Chinese company, say, carpentry services, and are not Chinese, they will decline because one of their employees has a nephew or uncle who happens to do part-time carpentry. There are even many who think they can live here for decades but learning to speak English is beneath them.
The Chinese are too much about their own people; in fact, they are all about their own people. This is another case of the Chinese being all about the Chinese. No surprise there. I doubt this project will ultimately have much net benefit to Canada. Besides the royalties and taxes, which will be squandered quickly, the Chinese workers will stick to themselves and their money will be sent back to China. The local communities will not benefit much. The Chinese do not augment a community; they displace.
Mandarin required in worker permits for B.C. mine project
Yet now when they are in the public eye, they plead innocence, or claim it was a mistake. Yeah, right!
Usually, when a new business starts up in a community, that community enjoys some positive results from the growth: more money flowing around, more people, more support for local businesses, etc. For example, perhaps the community was formerly too small to support a children's hockey team, or a community swimming pool, etc. When the economy and population grows, a point is reached where the community can support one or more children's hockey teams. Or there become enough consumers for it to be feasible for somebody to open a local sporting goods store (instead of having to drive two hours to a bigger town that does have a sporting goods store). Or the local churches gain some members filling the pews, perhaps reaching the point that a choir can be formed. etc.
You get the point: usually when there is economic growth, it leads to population growth and positive effects in the community. However, when the Chinese come to town, I do not believe those benefits are as many or as large as they are when another group comes to town. Instead, they stick to themselves. They eat Chinese food, buying from other Chinese instead of supporting local supermarkets. They buy their clothes from China instead of supporting the local stores. I am almost certain they will even bring their own work boots with them, so not even the local Mark's Work Wearhouse will get any additional business from the presence of these new workers (I hope somebody is checking to make sure their boots have the little green triangle on the side to indicate CSA-approved) . The local hockey teams do not get more potential sign-ups, or a bigger audience. At Christmas, they won't be out caroling or participating in other community activities. They stick to themselves. The Chinese will come to take what they can and give back as little as possible.
Don't believe me? Spend time in any large city in Canada. The Chinese have created their own enclave in most of them. Chinese companies use Chinese travel agents, Chinese bankers, Chinese bakers, Chinese plumbers, Chinese electricians, etc. If you offer a Chinese company, say, carpentry services, and are not Chinese, they will decline because one of their employees has a nephew or uncle who happens to do part-time carpentry. There are even many who think they can live here for decades but learning to speak English is beneath them.
The Chinese are too much about their own people; in fact, they are all about their own people. This is another case of the Chinese being all about the Chinese. No surprise there. I doubt this project will ultimately have much net benefit to Canada. Besides the royalties and taxes, which will be squandered quickly, the Chinese workers will stick to themselves and their money will be sent back to China. The local communities will not benefit much. The Chinese do not augment a community; they displace.
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The union is in federal court asking for a judicial review of the federal government’s decision to grant 201 temporary work permits to foreign workers from China to develop the coal mine. The union says 300 Canadians applied for those jobs but not one Canadian was hired.
On Dec. 7, a federal court judge ordered HD Mining and the federal Human and Resources and Skills Development ministry to provide two B.C. unions with documentation on how the permits were requested and approved.
But HD Mining now says it has no “legal obligation” to open its files.
“We do not understand why the unions are continuing to press this litigation,” HD Mining chair Penggui Yan said in a statement. “HD Mining believes that all parties need to move beyond this litigation and work toward the constructive development of this project.”
Last Friday, the B.C. Building Trades unions announced that because the company is refusing to release its files and because the federal government says it has no power to force the company to comply with the court order, it is filing a contempt of court application against Human Resources and Skills Development Minister Diane Finley.
“We will be bringing a motion of contempt against the minister,” said Charles Gordon, lawyer for the unions. “We have no choice.”
Brian Cochrane, business manager International Union of Operating Engineers Local 115, said last Saturday that it’s shocking that a company can refuse a court order.
“I don’t know if shock is the right word to learn that the government says it has no power within its own temporary foreign workers program to force a company to comply with a court order,” Cochrane said.
But on Dec. 14 a federal court judge rejected the application for an injunction, saying that to stop Chinese workers from entering the country would result in greater harm for the mining company than the harm to Canadian workers who may have been eligible for those jobs.
HD Mining refuses to show B.C. unions the files on work permits for Chinese miners - thestar.com
On Dec. 7, a federal court judge ordered HD Mining and the federal Human and Resources and Skills Development ministry to provide two B.C. unions with documentation on how the permits were requested and approved.
But HD Mining now says it has no “legal obligation” to open its files.
“We do not understand why the unions are continuing to press this litigation,” HD Mining chair Penggui Yan said in a statement. “HD Mining believes that all parties need to move beyond this litigation and work toward the constructive development of this project.”
Last Friday, the B.C. Building Trades unions announced that because the company is refusing to release its files and because the federal government says it has no power to force the company to comply with the court order, it is filing a contempt of court application against Human Resources and Skills Development Minister Diane Finley.
“We will be bringing a motion of contempt against the minister,” said Charles Gordon, lawyer for the unions. “We have no choice.”
Brian Cochrane, business manager International Union of Operating Engineers Local 115, said last Saturday that it’s shocking that a company can refuse a court order.
“I don’t know if shock is the right word to learn that the government says it has no power within its own temporary foreign workers program to force a company to comply with a court order,” Cochrane said.
But on Dec. 14 a federal court judge rejected the application for an injunction, saying that to stop Chinese workers from entering the country would result in greater harm for the mining company than the harm to Canadian workers who may have been eligible for those jobs.
HD Mining refuses to show B.C. unions the files on work permits for Chinese miners - thestar.com