List of jobs lost since the Bamster's re-election

Highball

Council Member
Jan 28, 2010
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Before this recent election Campbell's Soup, Union Sugar, Hunt's, Desseret Farms and Andco (Windshield Wipers) all relocated stating the California business climate was not conducive to their firms continuing to stay here. The state tax system is killing many business opportunities.
 

JLM

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 27, 2008
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Vernon, B.C.
Before this recent election Campbell's Soup, Union Sugar, Hunt's, Desseret Farms and Andco (Windshield Wipers) all relocated stating the California business climate was not conducive to their firms continuing to stay here. The state tax system is killing many business opportunities.

Not at all surprising, everyone, including the Gov't. is after more and more money. Like a dog chasing its tail!
 

lone wolf

Grossly Underrated
Nov 25, 2006
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In the bush near Sudbury
The gvt is collecting more and more from the corps and small businesses... There is no money to expand.
Meanwhile, they baled out GM and Chrysler - corporations in competition to sell more cars than Ford, who dumped product on the market and killed smaller makers of better vehicles. If you see fair in that you'll never see the problem. Fair competition is good for the economy. Monopolies are only good for the owners and their parasites.
 

captain morgan

Hall of Fame Member
Mar 28, 2009
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A Mouse Once Bit My Sister
Meanwhile, they baled out GM and Chrysler - corporations in competition to sell more cars than Ford, who dumped product on the market and killed smaller makers of better vehicles. If you see fair in that you'll never see the problem. Fair competition is good for the economy. Monopolies are only good for the owners and their parasites.

Sorry to be the one to tell you, but 'fair' has not existed in the North American system for years.. You can start with the system of progressive tax rates or even the differential in the business environments between jurisdictions. 'Fair' would be a fully free market system that had no tariffs, duties or different tax programs applicable to anyone.

Believe it or not, it would benefit the consumer immensely
 

Cliffy

Standing Member
Nov 19, 2008
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Nakusp, BC
Sorry to be the one to tell you, but 'fair' has not existed in the North American system for years.. You can start with the system of progressive tax rates or even the differential in the business environments between jurisdictions. 'Fair' would be a fully free market system that had no tariffs, duties or different tax programs applicable to anyone.

Believe it or not, it would benefit the consumer immensely
That only works fine in a mindless consumer society... until there is no more air to breath or water to drink. In a completely free market system, the Earth would be a complete garbage heap a whole lot faster than it is now. We either reinvent our economic systems or we die in our own excrement.
 

JLM

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 27, 2008
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Vernon, B.C.
Sorry to be the one to tell you, but 'fair' has not existed in the North American system for years.. You can start with the system of progressive tax rates or even the differential in the business environments between jurisdictions. 'Fair' would be a fully free market system that had no tariffs, duties or different tax programs applicable to anyone.

Believe it or not, it would benefit the consumer immensely

And by the same token the Gov't should keep their noses out of the minimum wage Bullsh*t. I bought two birthday cards yesterday (without checking the prices first) - over $11, should have stuffed them in the proprietor's face, but I'm just too kind, besides it was probably just a drudge working for minimum wage!!!! (I'll never go back to Carleton's, so maybe the lesson learned was worth it)
 

Walter

Hall of Fame Member
Jan 28, 2007
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Sorry to be the one to tell you, but 'fair' has not existed in the North American system for years.. You can start with the system of progressive tax rates or even the differential in the business environments between jurisdictions. 'Fair' would be a fully free market system that had no tariffs, duties or different tax programs applicable to anyone.

Believe it or not, it would benefit the consumer immensely
Fair would be no taxes or tariffs, save for a consumption tax.

And by the same token the Gov't should keep their noses out of the minimum wage Bullsh*t. I bought two birthday cards yesterday (without checking the prices first) - over $11, should have stuffed them in the proprietor's face, but I'm just too kind, besides it was probably just a drudge working for minimum wage!!!! (I'll never go back to Carleton's, so maybe the lesson learned was worth it)
Isn't guvmint wonderful looking out for the little people.
 

JLM

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 27, 2008
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Vernon, B.C.
Fair would be no taxes or tariffs, save for a consumption tax.

Isn't guvmint wonderful looking out for the little people.

Yep, well who the hell is "minimum wage" helping? Sure as sh*t isn't the consumer! Consumption taxes are good but there's no way they would be adequate to cover the electorates demand for services! I'm going to buy a ream of paper and a box of crayons and pay my grand daughters two bits for every card they can produce. There, that is that problem solved.
 

PoliticalNick

The Troll Bashing Troll
Mar 8, 2011
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Edson, AB
Sorry to be the one to tell you, but 'fair' has not existed in the North American system for years.. You can start with the system of progressive tax rates or even the differential in the business environments between jurisdictions. 'Fair' would be a fully free market system that had no tariffs, duties or different tax programs applicable to anyone.

Believe it or not, it would benefit the consumer immensely

Fair would be no taxes or tariffs, save for a consumption tax.

Isn't guvmint wonderful looking out for the little people.

So fair is a business being able to advantage itself of a marketplace without having to pay for that privilege? Fair for them to reap the benefits of being part of a society without contributing to it? Fair for them to use our roads and infrastructure without a toll?

Give your heads a collective shake. This is no more than that sense of entitlement you guys are always complaining about but from a business standpoint.
 

Niflmir

A modern nomad
Dec 18, 2006
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Leiden, the Netherlands
Meh. My company is hiring in the US. The taxes are higher here, and we are also hiring plenty here.

Taking on extra employees is the difference between taking on extra contracts or not. Assuming the business isn't bloated, labor costs are a necessity in relation to revenue. You fire your employees and you lose the revenue they would generate. If the tax on your company's profit is increased, it is idiotic to decrease revenue by firing employees. You won't make extra profit that way, you will just lose revenue.
 

captain morgan

Hall of Fame Member
Mar 28, 2009
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That only works fine in a mindless consumer society... until there is no more air to breath or water to drink. In a completely free market system, the Earth would be a complete garbage heap a whole lot faster than it is now. We either reinvent our economic systems or we die in our own excrement.

Just what kind of society do you think that we currently (and historically) have? There is not one single example of a society that has not exploited ole mother gaia in order to survive

Step back from the ideological position for just one minute and you might see that this is reality

So fair is a business being able to advantage itself of a marketplace without having to pay for that privilege? Fair for them to reap the benefits of being part of a society without contributing to it? Fair for them to use our roads and infrastructure without a toll?

Where do you think the impetus comes from to build the infrastructure in any society? - Do you believe that it is based on the ability to lose money or simply donate your individual resources?

On that note, are you prepared to rail at the 50+% of Americans that are using societal resources and not contributing to their development, maintenance or future growth in any way?

It's a 2-way street Nick. If you want to assess the real costs of these things and have a toll-road style society - fill yer boots, but don't come complaining about duties, responsibilities and warm fuzzy feelings at the time when you're denied access.

Give your heads a collective shake. This is no more than that sense of entitlement you guys are always complaining about but from a business standpoint.

Big difference here... The sense of entitlement you're referring to isn't entitlement... It's already been bought and paid for by a small segment of society
 

Kreskin

Doctor of Thinkology
Feb 23, 2006
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If the whining right weren't hellbent on creating political instability there would be plenty more investment.
 

Kreskin

Doctor of Thinkology
Feb 23, 2006
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Ahhh yes, that must be it.... Doesn't have anything to do with crazy over regulation, a multiplicity of high taxes and huge gvt.

Just a desire to create instability in gvt.
Investment 101. Money likes political stability. The US is less regulated than Canada.
 

captain morgan

Hall of Fame Member
Mar 28, 2009
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A Mouse Once Bit My Sister
And yet, the US is having a tough time attracting the levels of investment that it has historically enjoyed despite the lower regulation.

I guess that brings us onto Investment 200, 300 and upwards.... Return on investment; mitigating risk; alternative ventures
 

Walter

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Jan 28, 2007
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Consumption taxes are good but there's no way they would be adequate to cover the electorates demand for services!
Depends how high you set it and what services you want to give to the taxpayer.
 

JLM

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 27, 2008
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Vernon, B.C.
Investment 101. Money likes political stability. The US is less regulated than Canada.

You just ain't "Whistlin' Dixie". If you or I want to start a bank in the U.S. we can, I'm not even sure if you have to prove financial stability. In Canada Good Luck with that- we basically have 5 banks.