What about Liechtenstein? Why aren't the media covering it?

[petros]

You gonna work hard, take big risks , expand your business, hire extra help, or have the ability to CONTINUALLY give to charities when you're only taking home a low return (25%)?

I think not.

No revolution, I'd probably take my assets, my tax dollars, and ditch your "socialist utopia".



I am, you?

25%? Who the hell only takes home 25%? And why would you pay taxes on your assets? When you own a business you don't pocket your profits. You pay yourself a draw, a set salary of X amount a month. Your business profit stays in your business.

You are? You renounced all of the Canadian social benefits afforded to you

 

[In Between Man]

25%? Who the hell only takes home 25%? And why would you pay taxes on your assets? When you own a business you don't pocket your profits. You pay yourself a draw, a set salary of X amount a month. Your business profit stays in your business.

Yeah, but if you SELL your business, as is your right, you now pay the 75 percent on what you just made. No? What wouldn't a socialist gov go after that cash?

You are? You renounced all of the Canadian social benefits afforded to you

I actually have the forms on my desk to "opt out" of the mandatory MSP. The only problem is that you're out for one full year once you sign, and I have no choice but to keep it for now because I'm currently pursuing a specific career that requires it.

CPP? Can't opt out of that. What else is there?

 

[petros]

Yeah, but if you SELL your business, as is your right, you now pay the 75 percent on what you just made. No? What wouldn't a socialist gov go after that cash?



I actually have the forms on my desk to "opt out" of the mandatory MSP. The only problem is that you're out for one full year once you sign, and I have no choice but to keep it for now because I'm currently pursuing a specific career that requires it.

CPP? Can't opt out of that. What else is there?

Capital gains aren't 75%. Where did you get that number mate?
Health, transit, water, electricty, nat gas, roads, waterways, TV, radio, education, EI, WCB, OAS, natural resources, parks, recreation facilities...want me to keep going?

 

[In Between Man]

Capital gains aren't 75%. Where did you get that number mate?
Health, transit, water, electricty, nat gas, roads, waterways, TV, radio, education, EI, WCB, OAS, natural resources, parks, recreation facilities...want me to keep going?

I would be perfectly happy leaving society and all those things behind, I often dream about it. (With the exception of water and natural resources; that's provided by the Creator)

 

[petros]

I would be perfectly happy leaving society and all those things behind, I often dream about it. (With the exception of water and natural resources; that's provided by the Creator)

You'd never be able to afford it.

 

[In Between Man]

You'd never be able to afford it.

Either one of us wouldn't have to go very far down ancestral lines to find folks who lived like that.

Haven't you seen "Alone in the Wilderness"?

Do you have any idea how many rifles and how much ammo I have?

:lol:

 

[petros]

Either one of us wouldn't have to go very far down ancestral lines to find folks who lived like that.

Haven't you seen "Alone in the Wilderness"?

Do you have any idea how many rifles and how much ammo I have?

:lol:

D ick Proencki(sp)? He wasn't living there for free, it still cost him and he still enjoyed the benefits socially afforded to him.

You can only shoot one rifle at a time and you're still relying on wildlife management to ensure you have food to shoot, just like D ick.

Do you have D ick's skills?


You'd have to go really really really far back to find a non-taxpayer in your woodpile.

 

[In Between Man]

You'd have to go really really really far back to find a non-taxpayer in your woodpile.

But we did it! It's possible!

Obviously I'm going to live as any modern person would, but I'm still a capitalist in the sense I'm all for you earning as much money as you can honestly.

Do you have D ick's skills?

Are you kidding me?

 

[petros]

But we did it! It's possible!

Obviously I'm going to live as any modern person would, but I'm still a capitalist in the sense I'm all for you earning as much money as you can honestly.



Are you kidding me?

For as long as man has lived in groups, we've had to ante up to the kitty in one form or another. You can make all you want to make in a Socialist society. Good ol' Socialist Canada is a great example. Harper is a top notch Socialist which goes back to what I said about management.

Without frivolous BS Socialism works just fine. People get confused between wants and needs and that is the financial downfall of any system.

There is one thing that you could do to make life easier and cheaper. Get the hell out of BC.

 

[In Between Man]

Good ol' Socialist Canada is a great example. Harper is a top notch Socialist which goes back to what I said about management.

Nah, see, we're not talking about the same thing. I'm nowhere near labeling Harper a socialist. I'm talking about "let's go full-fledged communist" kind of socialism. Vietnam calls itself a "socialist republic" yet it's a one party state. Sound like fun?

"The goal of socialism is communism." - Lenin

 

[petros]

Nah, see, we're not talking about the same thing. I'm nowhere near labeling Harper a socialist. I'm talking about "let's go full-fledged communist" kind of socialism. Vietnam calls itself a "socialist republic" yet it's a one party state. Sound like fun?

"The goal of socialism is communism." - Lenin

Lenin was scared ****less of Socialism because the people have control unlike his Totalitarian brand Communism. They are opposites. Never confuse the two or fall for the misconsception that tyranny and totalitarianism are a necessity of Communism or that Socialism and Communism are one in the same. That belief comes from western propaganda.

Hutterites are a good example of Communists that arent tyrannical but benevolent.

Ever heard of a Kibbutz?

Tyranny can happen to any social system whether democratic republic, monarchy, theocracy, dictatorship or capitalist.

If we aren't prudent, we could easily be next to experience tyranny and totalitarianism on our own soil.

Never ever ever trust a Govt of any type.

 

[tay]

Liechtenstein has tremendous support for its monarchy, even rejecting to revoke the monarch's veto power in a September 2012 referendum. Thanks to a very low corporate tax rate all the cool kids want to do business there, resulting in more registered companies than citizens. It has a very high GDP, low external debt, a 100 percent literacy rate, and one of the highest standards of living in Europe. The fact that we see no coverage in the media of the unchanging success of this nation can only lead one to believe that the liberal dominated lamestream media don't want us to know that we can have a successful, capitalist nation, free from the economic ruin that comes with socialism. We need to educate ourselves as to what the Liechtenstein citizens did and learn from them to take back control of our countries and our lives.

"For God and country!" (an old Liechtenstein motto)

I don't know where you get that opinion from. I just read that Liechtenstein is a hell hole...............

 

[Cannuck]

Well they have very low corporate tax rate and encourage those nice wealthy people to keep their monies safe in their beautiful little home. And they don't rob the rich as a main source of revenue.

Yeas, we get that they're a tax haven. You've already admitted though, that not every country can do that.

Plus they have a king, lefties who like socialism don't like monarchs. They like biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggg government. Big sis telling ya what to do.

Wrong again. I'm conservative. I want less government. I also don't believe people should be entitled to status and privilege because of who their daddy is. That type of thinking has no place in an enlightened society.

 

[L Gilbert]

Licked my what?

Your stein. Maybe beer stein?

lmao To paraphrase Galbraith; in socialism, man exploits man. In capitalism, it's the reverse.
Neither is all good or all bad.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Nah, see, we're not talking about the same thing. I'm nowhere near labeling Harper a socialist. I'm talking about "let's go full-fledged communist" kind of socialism. Vietnam calls itself a "socialist republic" yet it's a one party state. Sound like fun?

"The goal of socialism is communism." - Lenin

The goal of Jesus was socialism!

Really, this dude you worship was a left-wing socialist. The christian faith is a socialist doctrine. Help the poor, equality for all, yadda yadda....

So how do you become a right-wing conservative while still espousing you are a christian? Seems like a bit of a paradox to me so maybe explain it from your standpoint.

 

[gore0bsessed]

I am, you?

I don't think Jesus would approve.

 

[WLDB]

That's not how I would define socialism.

Well at least one conservative is willing to say that.

 

[Bar Sinister]

If it gets that far (not likely) after the government scrapes (steals) honest earned money from job creators. More likely you just made the government bigger, richer, and more powerful and the "working man" still lives check to check. That's assuming you don't lose the middle class altogether and slip into outright communism of course.

Didn't you know that Jesus said "you will have the poor with you ALWAYS" ? (Matthew 26:11) That's why it's up to INDIVIDUALS, CHURCHES, COMMUNITIES, to take care of the poor and sick through CHARITY. Governments cannot be trusted as "middle men" between the poor/sick and any resources that are suppose to help them.

Socialism is a dangerous failure. France is now robbing their wealthiest citizens for 75 percent income tax! That, my friend, is IMMORAL. I don't care how much money you earn honestly. If a government materialized and took 75 percent of income from honest people, there should be a revolution in my eye.

Yeah, I've heard devout Christians using the "you wil have the poor with you always," quote to justify doing little or nothing for their fellow citizens. I note that comment quite clearly contradicts most of Christ's other comments about the poor in which he clearly exhorted people to help others.

The fact is that no economic system is perfect and a considerable amount of what many citizens value in society such as roads, hospitals, schools, parks, recreational facilities, old age pensions, health care, and libraries are examples of social lesgislation.

Looking at the other side capitalism is very far from perfect, particularly modern captalism which has failed to deliver its on its promise of a good life for all citizens. You might be right about the revolution, but it will probably come in the form of higher taxes on the wealthy.

 

[EagleSmack]

The country/village of Lickenstein does more (per capita) for the world than any other country in the world. Us Yanks have been reminded of that a number of times.

 

[In Between Man]

The goal of Jesus was socialism!

Really, this dude you worship was a left-wing socialist. The christian faith is a socialist doctrine. Help the poor, equality for all, yadda yadda....

I don't think Jesus would approve.

That claim gets tossed around a lot, but always without any scriptural evidence whatsoever. Jesus NEVER advocated or commanded that wealth be TAKEN AWAY from one group of people and given to another. You can quote whatever he said regarding the poor, because he plainly advocated CHARITY, not socialism.

And I really got you with the parable of the talents told by Jesus. In that parable Jesus takes away the single talent from the poor man and gave it to the rich man who had far more talents to begin with! At the end of the parable, Jesus tells the lazy poor man to go to hell for his failure to invest. Sound like socialism? Read it for yourself, (Matt 25:14-30) and I'm curious how you would explain His words away, because the parable of the talents DESTROYS any claim that Jesus, (or Christianity) is socialist.

So how do you become a right-wing conservative while still espousing you are a christian? Seems like a bit of a paradox to me so maybe explain it from your standpoint.

LOVE THIS QUESTION. I have never been asked this and I'm thrilled to give an answer! (deep subject, so I'll just stick to a couple of points to keep it short)

How much time have you spent pondering, discussing with friends, or reading the bible to try to understand God's character? God/theology/religion has probably been my favorite subject since my youth and I've spent thousands of hours on the subject.

While espousing to be a Christian, right-wing conservative beliefs based on logic:

Without even picking up the bible yet, common sense says that if God is the Author of life, no human has the right to take that God-given life away from an innocent person. You can say whatever you like about a woman's so called "right to choose" but the fact remains that you will NEVER be able to demonstrate GUILT on the part of an unborn child.

Faith in God aka "fear of the Lord" results in one to oppose abortion.

While espousing to be a Christian, right wing conservative beliefs based on God's Word:

If the bible is God's revealed Word to us, then "gay marriage" and homosexual behavior is sinful according to God. Jesus IDENTIFIED marriage as between one man and one woman, He said to uphold the OT commandments that do condemn homosexuality, and warned us about the sinful condition of Sodom and Gomorrah (whose presenting sin was homosexuality).

All biblical evidence says homosexual behavior (and more) is sin against God.

Right wing conservative beliefs/labels decided by societal norms:

If you oppose abortion and gay marriage, most leftists are going to label you not only conservative but probably "far right". Couple this with the observation that GENERALLY SPEAKING the anti-God crowd falls on the left, support things like abortion and gay marriage, and viola, you find yourself a conservative Christian.

For the reasons that, to pretend God is okay with these things is called IDOLATRY, you're off worshiping some other "god", and not the real one. Further, it's foolish to "conform" God, or the truth, to your own standard of morality, or to just follow the crowd's standard. God sets the standard, so it's obviously more wise to renew your thinking to his thinking. (Romans 12:2)

There ya go, I tried to keep it short. I'm giving you a green thumb for your post, not because I agree with what you said, but because you asked an excellent, deep, and what I perceive to be a sincere question, one I enjoyed answering. Cheers!