What does Afghanistan have to do with it? The only country that is going to decide on his release and the terms thereof is Canada! Is that a difficult concept?
Canada's treatment of Khadr should be
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What does Afghanistan have to do with it? The only country that is going to decide on his release and the terms thereof is Canada! Is that a difficult concept?
The minimum age to fire a gun in Canada is as low as 12;
A Minors' Licence will enable young people to borrow a non-restricted rifle or shotgun for approved purposes such as hunting or target shooting. Generally, the minimum age is 12 years, but exceptions may be made for younger people who need to hunt to sustain themselves and their families.
Licensing - Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Firing a rifle is a pretty mature responsibility.
I wonder if similar latitude is provided for the use of grenade launching
.. And with any luck, Omar will spend some time in general population... That may be his future! (maybe even a little jihad romance for him) :icon_smile:
Which has what to do with what? Is firing a gun a sign of manhood? I owned a gun before I was 12!
That is history!
And who would this benefit? Quite frankly I find your attitude quite vindictive. What harm did you suffer at his hands?
Neither here nor there, generally speaking you reach the age of legal adulthood when you reach the age of majority. Which varies by province, some 18 years and some 19 years. That's all I was speaking to, the age in which youth attain adulthood legally in Canada. Has nothing to do with maturity, I've got a couple of 30 year old cousins that can prove that.
I believe (to the best of my knowledge) that under the Youth Criminal Justice Act, youth can be tried as an adult being as young as 12 (maybe younger, I'm not sure), and it is presumed that seriously violent offenses committed by persons 16 years of age are tried in adult courts.
But Canadian Laws and procedures wouldn't have any bearing in another country anyway. If you smuggle hashish in Turkey be prepared to take a ride on the Midnight Express.
I don't disagree with your logic or the facts/opinion that you've presented. In the end, what any individual society considers adulthood is generally an arbitrary number. We could go back a number of years (not so many really) and see that these same societies held vastly different beliefs in this area. People were (legally) married at a much different age and the assumption of livelihoods and complete responsibility were also retained at earlier ages.
The point really is (and this is accentuated by your 30 y/o cousins you mentioned) - much of what is 'adulthood' is a function of the individual's own character and actions.
Just because the Cdn justice system classes Khadr as a youth doesn't make it so - and more importantly, based on the nature and intent of his actions AND the jurisdiction where the event occurred (and their perception of 'adulthood'); shouldn't this too be strongly considered in the equation?
In the end, Khadr wasn't some kid fooling around with dad's rifle and an accident occurred.
And in the end even severe crimes under the Canadian Justice system could see a 15 or 16 year old tried as an adult. Believe me, I'm not defending him!
No kidding. What is also unnerving is the familial support he had/has for his views and actions too. That does not bode well for the future, in my opinion.
I don't know. I believe that indoctrination towards a radical viewpoint, any radical viewpoint, of a teenager can be a really dangerous thing. He was probably doomed from the start. And I don't know the Parole Board is equipped to handle a release of this kind. I can't think of one that even remotely resembles this particular case.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see him thrown into a dark hole, tortured or abused. I don't think we should do that to anybody, but at the same time, I really do fear the 'iconic' status he has attained. Even if he sincerely intends to remain trouble free, once released, who will be drawn to him and for what purposes?
The entire situation is troubling. And it almost doesn't matter how or why it came to be what it is, what's done is done. We have to deal with the situation now.
I still think his defence should have been the self defense law. It is, apparently, a concept accepted by the US that if you are threatened, you are allowed to shoot to kill.
If that concept is allowed in Florida trailer parks, it certainly should apply to Khadr.
If that concept is allowed in Florida trailer parks, it certainly should apply to Khadr.