Could the world cope with the death of Abraham?

Dexter Sinister

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...the absolute proof that the whole of the basis of Abrahamism is a fraud, could the world handle the news?
I don't think absolute proof is possible, that obtains only in mathematics and it's still subject to assumptions and axioms--which are always specified--also being true. But we do have pretty good evidence that the Abrahamic religions are false. It has changed some things significantly, like the secular power the churches once had in the West. Much of the history of the last few centuries can be read as the churches retreating from making empirical claims about the nature of reality in the face of the scientific revolution, and that I would say comes mainly from an evidence-based improvement in our understanding of reality.

But fundamentally, I think the short answer to your question is that it really wouldn't make any difference. Religion is never going to go away. Mormonism, for instance, is clearly a transparent fraud, its origins are recent enough that we have documentary proof of that, yet there are still lots of Mormons, and I think their numbers are growing. I've personally seen people presented with utterly convincing evidence that something they believe to be true is not, but they continue to believe it, and not just on religious matters. People will believe what they want to believe, evidence will convince very few people to change their minds. There is, for instance, demonstrably absolutely no substance to astrology, homeopathy, dowsing, telepathy, telekinesis, Ouija boards, psi, tarot cards..ach, the list is endless, but you can find believers in all those things and more. As H. L. Mencken once remarked, the chief occupation of mankind is believing in the palpably untrue.
 
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And the whole concept of religion and the significant impact of it on mankind.

That is to say, or ask rather. If a person or group, held in their possession, the absolute proof that the whole of the basis of Abrahamism is a fraud, could the world handle the news?


Ok, you're gonna have to be more forth coming with information. What kind of "proof" do you mean?
 

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Ok, you're gonna have to be more forth coming with information. What kind of "proof" do you mean?
Dude, really?

Proof, like aliens coming down and telling us we were a genetic experiment, combining their DNA with that of monkeys. I don't know dude, it was just a question.
 

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And the whole concept of religion and the significant impact of it on mankind.

That is to say, or ask rather. If a person or group, held in their possession, the absolute proof that the whole of the basis of Abrahamism is a fraud, could the world handle the news?

Proof of the fraud has existed since shortly after the Rosetta stone was deciphered. Every bit of it was lifted from much older traditions.
 

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Dude, really?

Proof, like aliens coming down and telling us we were a genetic experiment, combining their DNA with that of monkeys. I don't know dude, it was just a question.


Sorry, but just proving that some numbnuts way back when got the dudes name wrong isn't proof of squat. Therefore I would still be believing in God and Christ.

For this to be a viable question with viable answers, more information is needed.

Proof of the fraud has existed since shortly after the Rosetta stone was deciphered. Every bit of it was lifted from much older traditions.


Doesn't make it a fraud.
 

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But fundamentally, I think the short answer to your question is that it really wouldn't make any difference. Religion is never going to go away.

Your opinion I think is biased - Religion has had a major impact on many people- whether you consider belief in a religion to be akin to Luke Skywalker - the impact on society and how people interact has and is immense.
 

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Proof of the fraud has existed since shortly after the Rosetta stone was deciphered. Every bit of it was lifted from much older traditions.
Thanks for your input pumpkin. Now back to your bong water consumption.

Sorry, but just proving that some numbnuts way back when got the dudes name wrong isn't proof of squat. Therefore I would still be believing in God and Christ.

For this to be a viable question with viable answers, more information is needed.
Whatever works for you dude.
 

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Sorry, but just proving that some numbnuts way back when got the dudes name wrong isn't proof of squat. Therefore I would still be believing in God and Christ.

For this to be a viable question with viable answers, more information is needed.
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Indeed, many people will believe no matter what, so it makes the whole argument pointless.

Believe if you want, don't believe if you want, it makes no difference.
 

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I think the trend is toward an end to beliefs in unsubstantiated evidence/stories/etc. but we probably can expect that day to be far off in the future, considering that humanity has not evolved spiritually much since the good ol' cave days.
 

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Your opinion I think is biased - Religion has had a major impact on many people- whether you consider belief in a religion to be akin to Luke Skywalker - the impact on society and how people interact has and is immense.
My opinion is that you don't understand either the question or the answer I gave. The question was not about the impact of belief, but about the impact of evidence on belief.
 

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My opinion is that you don't understand either the question or the answer I gave. The question was not about the impact of belief, but about the impact of evidence on belief.

I understood. I disagreed with your post

From the OP -
And the whole concept of religion and the significant impact of it on mankind.
That is to say, or ask rather. If a person or group, held in their possession, the absolute proof that the whole of the basis of Abrahamism is a fraud, could the world handle the news?
 

gerryh

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From the OP -
And the whole concept of religion and the significant impact of it on mankind.
That is to say, or ask rather. If a person or group, held in their possession, the absolute proof that the whole of the basis of Abrahamism is a fraud, could the world handle the news?


and it appears that questioning the OP's assertion and wanting an expansion on the basis of the question is a no no.



but really, considering Christianity is based on Jesus Christ's teachings, and the fact that the only thing he brought forward from the OT was the 10 commandments which he expanded on, then I think the question is moot for a significant portion of the worlds population.
 

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and it appears that questioning the OP's assertion and wanting an expansion on the basis of the question is a no no.



but really, considering Christianity is based on Jesus Christ's teachings, and the fact that the only thing he brought forward from the OT was the 10 commandments which he expanded on, then I think the question is moot for a significant portion of the worlds population.

I believe that Western culrute is founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs- Those laws that we have seen in Democracies are like democracy and fights for freedom always expanding in many countries. Slowly at times but still advancing.
 

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and it appears that questioning the OP's assertion and wanting an expansion on the basis of the question is a no no.
I didn't say it was a 'no no'. I don't have the proof, it's a hypothetical question. IMHO, your request is silly and isn't relevant to the question. The qualifiers are there.

Quite frankly, your request comes off as a method to avoid the question by distraction.

I didn't ask whether or not Abrahamism is true or not.

I asked...

... could the world handle the news?

Read into that all you want, answer it or don't, I don't really care. But it's just a question dude. I'm not going to debate what the proof is or needs to be, or whether or not Abrahamism is a fraud or not.

So please don't attribute sentiment to me that hasn't been presented.

but really, considering Christianity is based on Jesus Christ's teachings, and the fact that the only thing he brought forward from the OT was the 10 commandments which he expanded on, then I think the question is moot for a significant portion of the worlds population.
The fact that Christianity is born of Abrahamism, aside. You're feeding right into Dex's observation.
 

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The fact that Christianity is born of Abrahamism, aside. You're feeding right into Dex's observation.


Dex is his own prime example. It wouldn't matter what was brought to him he would still deny God.


Could the world cope with the death of Abraham? Abraham as in the considered Father of Judaism and Islam? Of course the world can cope with his death. He died ages ago and the world kept turning.
 

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Dex is his own prime example. It wouldn't matter what was brought to him he would still deny God.
If it was empirical, I doubt it.

Could the world cope with the death of Abraham? Abraham as in the considered Father of Judaism and Islam? Of course the world can cope with his death. He died ages ago and the world kept turning.
LOL, nice dodge.
 

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I don't think that's a fair assessment.

But to each their own.

answered the question exactly as it was posed. Since you felt me asking for any kind of expansion or explanation was unnecessary, I answered it as asked.
LOL, you answered the title of the thread. As eye catching as it was, it was just a snazzy title meant to catch attention, lol....

Here's the question, as I'm sure you are well aware...

That is to say, or ask rather. If a person or group, held in their possession, the absolute proof that the whole of the basis of Abrahamism is a fraud, could the world handle the news?

Just indulge me a little here for a second, why is answering that question so hard for you?

By just giving us your opinion of what you think the reaction would be, doesn't mean you think it all foreseeable, or at all plausible.

It's just an opinion. I promise not to read into it, lol.
 

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Myself I take the OP as what would the world be like with out Religion- Considering that 3 of the worlds major religions are commonly referred to as desecnding from Abraham - It in my opinion the OP does not imply that Abraham is - was God.

Just the way I am looking at the op- and the further points made by Bear.