Why America Dropped the Bomb

[damngrumpy]

Exploring the facts is always difficult and personal opinions always get in the way to boot.
First the Japanese were talking with the Russians about surrender, but the Russians had
no interest because they would not have a physical presence in Japan if America landed
first.
The Americans had cracked the code radio traffic as far back as Pearl Harbour in other
words, they were reading Japans mail.
Was it necessary no, they could have fought a conventional war landing troops on the
islands of Japan and hey, the allies would only have lost about a million lives. Yes it was
unfortunate but necessary because the fanatics were still in charge of Japan until the
Emperor stepped in and demanded their surrender. Why would the fanatics listen? The
average person in Japan had, had enough and civil war would have been just as bloody.

Of course in my view they could have prevented Pearl Harbour but then America would
not have had an excuse to enter the war.

 

[BaalsTears]

I am sure you are familiar with how the Japanese have sanitized their actions and atrocities in school text books.

Yeah, the Japanese don't seem to have come to terms with their past.

Prior to 1776 who was to blame for all the worlds ills and wars. 4 letters- 1st capitalized- Can be 2 different words-both mean the same, one is a slur. The quiz is on.........................

Juice?

 

[Goober]

Exploring the facts is always difficult and personal opinions always get in the way to boot.

Of course in my view they could have prevented Pearl Harbour but then America would
not have had an excuse to enter the war.

Care to expand on that-

Yeah, the Japanese don't seem to have come to terms with their past.


Juice?

Oh you are a funny and insightful man- and I do enjoy a play on words.

 

[JLM]

Exploring the facts is always difficult and personal opinions always get in the way to boot.
First the Japanese were talking with the Russians about surrender, but the Russians had
no interest because they would not have a physical presence in Japan if America landed
first.
The Americans had cracked the code radio traffic as far back as Pearl Harbour in other
words, they were reading Japans mail.
Was it necessary no, they could have fought a conventional war landing troops on the
islands of Japan and hey, the allies would only have lost about a million lives. Yes it was
unfortunate but necessary because the fanatics were still in charge of Japan until the
Emperor stepped in and demanded their surrender. Why would the fanatics listen? The
average person in Japan had, had enough and civil war would have been just as bloody.

Of course in my view they could have prevented Pearl Harbour but then America would
not have had an excuse to enter the war.

Historically the Americans have never been ones to jump into war. They didn't get into W.W.1 until 1917!

 

[PoliticalNick]

I am sure you are familiar with how the Japanese have sanitized their actions and atrocities in school text books.

As have the US and most others who have won a war. History is usually written by the winner so the 'good guys' always win.

So easy for a Monday Morning QB to say an attack on Pearl should have been expected.

It was expected. See your comment below.

An attack was expected... in the Phillipines... not Hawaii.

Surprise!!!! Who would have thought deception was part of war. Ever learn about operation Overlord?

The US simply wasn't going to fuel the Japanese war machine any longer.

Without there being something in it for them.

The US cared about a lot of things especially the slaughter of Chinese.

BWAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAA! You are smoking way too much crack if you actually believe that. :roll: All the US has ever cared about is themselves and exploiting any situation for their gain.

Tough sh*t, if things don't change here in a year I'm going to run out of money and my wife is going to leave. No problem, I'm just going to go rob my neighbour and screw his wife! :smile:

That's the spirit ;-)

Embargoes are not acts of war under international law.

International law also forbids waterboarding, rendition and holding people without due process of law. All things things the US is currently doing. Either international law applies all the time or never, you can't break the law and then invoke it when it's convenient.

Embargoes are not acts of war... blockades are! We refused to sell oil because of their invasion of China! That's why!

Yep, just plain, pure goodwill toward men. Nothing to do with US designs on having China for themselves cause we all know the US is not at all imperialistic.

Pray tell what was the Japanese next step. To TAKE BY FORCE the oil that they needed to continue their East Asian expansion.

Sounds like America's position in the ME.

Funny how most people seem to think it's the U.S. who STARTS wars isn't it?

A lot have started because the US have wanted it that way. Korea & Vietnam for example. Others were started directly by the US like Afghanistan & Iraq

Difference is that the Japs bombed Pearl Harbour BEFORE war was declared. That is a no no.

There is still no declaration of war in Afghanistan or Iraq. I don't believe there was on in Vietnam or Korea either. Is this a rule that doesn't apply to the US?

I was watching a documentary on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Japanese professor said something along the lines of...

"If Japan had the bomb we would have most certainly used it on the Americans."

You all know they would have.

Actually we will never know if they would. All we know for sure is that the US did use it and are the only ones who ever have.

One of their options would have been to stop their acts of aggression in the ME. But they chose instead to murder innocent Muslims in Afghanistan & Iraq.

FIFY

 

[BaalsTears]

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International law also forbids waterboarding, rendition and holding people without due process of law. All things things the US is currently doing. Either international law applies all the time or never, you can't break the law and then invoke it when it's convenient.
...

I hear ya...everybody hates that war criminal Barack Obama. I agree with your sentiments about that SOB.

 

[PoliticalNick]

I hear ya...everybody hates that war criminal Barack Obama. I agree with your sentiments about that SOB.

Obama is just doing the same as G W Bush....exactly what their puppet-masters tell them too.

 

[Colpy]

As have the US and most others who have won a war. History is usually written by the winner so the 'good guys' always win.


It was expected. See your comment below.


Surprise!!!! Who would have thought deception was part of war. Ever learn about operation Overlord?


Without there being something in it for them.

BWAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAA! You are smoking way too much crack if you actually believe that. :roll: All the US has ever cared about is themselves and exploiting any situation for their gain.


That's the spirit ;-)


International law also forbids waterboarding, rendition and holding people without due process of law. All things things the US is currently doing. Either international law applies all the time or never, you can't break the law and then invoke it when it's convenient.


Yep, just plain, pure goodwill toward men. Nothing to do with US designs on having China for themselves cause we all know the US is not at all imperialistic.


Sounds like America's position in the ME.


A lot have started because the US have wanted it that way. Korea & Vietnam for example. Others were started directly by the US like Afghanistan & Iraq


There is still no declaration of war in Afghanistan or Iraq. I don't believe there was on in Vietnam or Korea either. Is this a rule that doesn't apply to the US?


Actually we will never know if they would. All we know for sure is that the US did use it and are the only ones who ever have.


FIFY

Partially correct, although a misrepresentation in this case.

Wrong, the attack was NOT expected, or the battleships would have been at sea, simple as that.

Expecting an attack in the Phillipines??? Well, kinda......partial points.

Incorrect. The USA was concerned about Japanese military buildup, and horrified at the treatment of the Chinese.

Incorrect, see above.

Invalid question and answer. International Law is a joke.

Idiotic. The USA wanted China for themselves??? Laughable. If the USA is such an imperial power, why has it withdrawn or in the process of withdrawing from every nation it has invaded in the last 100 years????

Baloney, America has not taken anyone's oil.

For God's sake, read a little history!!! North Korea invaded, the war was already ON between our French allies and the Viet Minh (*although US involvement was a mistake) Afghanistan was harbouring America's enemies that attacked her on 9-1, and Saddam was ignoring a cease fire agreement signed after he was driven out of Kuwait.....

(Sigh) There has been NO declaration of war in any conflict since the creation of the UN at the end of WWII

And in using the bomb, they saved millions of lives.

My score for you is 26 points out of 100.

You fail.

Miserably.

Go read a book, then come back after you've learned something.

Oh yeah....the internet doesn't count.

 

[BaalsTears]

Obama is just doing the same as G W Bush....exactly what their puppet-masters tell them too.

The Congressional Authorization for war in Afghanistan was limited. I think this is why Bush rarely used drone attacks in Pakistan. He only used one drone attack in Yemen. I don't think Bush made any drone attacks anywhere else.

As soon as he took office Obama launched unrestricted Drone War in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia...he's building new drone bases in the Horn of Africa and on islands in the Indian Ocean. Obama is the Drone Warrior.

Bush was a complete screwball, but he wasn't evil. Obama is pure evil. SOB is an assassin.

One more thing. Obama has murdered two American citizens by drone attack...all without due process of law. One of the victims was a sixteen year old boy.

 

[gopher]

They purport that the Japanese government was ready to surrender before this, albeit with little to no evidence to support this supposition.

I have read historical accounts from both sides on this issue but must agree with that the weight of evidence leans towards the fact that certain militarists wanted to continue the war. Tokyo bombing raids (Operation Meetinghouse or something like that) were far deadlier in that many more died than did in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. War is hell. Truman had been a military man and no one was going to persuade him from his decision. For better or worse, it happened. Hopefully, this will never be repeated.

 

[BaalsTears]

As I recall Japan wouldn't accept the Potsdam Declaration because it did not provide for continuation of the Imperial system...no role for the emperor.

 

[petros]

Why America Dropped the Bomb?

Have you seen one go off? They're ****ing neat!

 

[PoliticalNick]

The Congressional Authorization for war in Afghanistan was limited. I think this is why Bush rarely used drone attacks in Pakistan. He only used one drone attack in Yemen. I don't think Bush made any drone attacks anywhere else.

As soon as he took office Obama launched unrestricted Drone War in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia...he's building new drone bases in the Horn of Africa and on islands in the Indian Ocean. Obama is the Drone Warrior.

Bush was a complete screwball, but he wasn't evil. Obama is pure evil. SOB is an assassin.

One more thing. Obama has murdered two American citizens by drone attack...all without due process of law. One of the victims was a sixteen year old boy.

You missed the point. Almost every president, with only 2 or 3 exceptions, has been nothing more than a pretty face or persona controlled by the rich and powerful and those high up in government who do NOT change with each election. They are puppets, nothing more.

Why America Dropped the Bomb?

Have you seen one go off? They're ****ing neat!

:lol:

 

[Colpy]

You missed the point. Almost every president, with only 2 or 3 exceptions, has been nothing more than a pretty face or persona controlled by the rich and powerful and those high up in government who do NOT change with each election. They are puppets, nothing more.



:lol:

That little piece of paranoid ignorance would be full cause not to take you at all seriously...........

 

[BaalsTears]

You missed the point. Almost every president, with only 2 or 3 exceptions, has been nothing more than a pretty face or persona controlled by the rich and powerful and those high up in government who do NOT change with each election. They are puppets, nothing more.



:lol:

I agree. Obama's a tool and a puppet.

 

[PoliticalNick]

That little piece of paranoid ignorance would be full cause not to take you at all seriously...........

You just keep drinking the government kool-aid while not entertaining the possibilities....

 

[petros]

What flavour does the Gov give out? I like lime.

 

[Monsieur]

First British nuclear bomb. - YouTube

China's First Nuclear Test - YouTube

 

[gerryh]

First British nuclear bomb. - YouTube

China's First Nuclear Test - YouTube

and your point is what?

 

[Monsieur]

I think the Nuclear Bomb is a weapon of the past dangerous and to strong
The futur is Nano /Hybrid weapon or laser