B.C. and Alberta in dirty fight over oil profit
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I take it we can agree that the railway sparked the Riel rebellion. You said that is what he and Dumont were doing. originally posted by petros. "117 years ago some guy named Riel and his buddy Dumont tried to stop a railway."
And you didn't disgree that he has been and is honoured, and I expect you have no proof that he has not been honoured for his efforts in that regard. As I said, "And yet he has been honoured all those years, and is more honoured now than ever, for trying, for putting up the fight. I think that kind of example is positive in as much as we now understand that sometimes you have to do what you can in the face of a bad decision. Rather than being a fatalist people who are opposing a damaging proposal like the Northern Gateway now understand that there is public support for people protecting the environment."
As to why he was hung that would be a different discussion, but suffice to say the hangers did not honour him. A lot of people don't honour the hangers now either.
Riel fought and died for Metis rights. railroad or no railroad they still would have fought for their rights. That is why he was honoured. As for trying to set up a Metis territory by terrorism and blackmailing the railroad for tarrifs and right of way, there isn't much honour in that.
Manno, it would be helpful if you could keep your stories straight. As to whether there is honour in any given action it depends on your point of view. and your historical perspective. As the planet warms, as the storms get worse, as the oceans rise flooding some of the best agricultural lands, as we are forced to come up with taxpayers dollars to clean up behind corporate movers and shakers who have moved on after the spills and leaks that will happen, then which side will the honour be on?
Which Chapter of The Book of Revelations is that from? If the oceans are going to spill over, why are so many eager to continue moving next to them? I'm on high ground. Do I need to worry?
Do you need to worry, need is such a persnal thing that I wouldn't want to advise you. Some people are frail, unable to see the writing on the wall, or in this case the warnings issued by the scientists studying the problem, and some people don't have the ability to see beyond the carrot, and some people like me are on high ground and aren't worried about being flooded, but still have the sense to see that a culmination of nasty events won't be good no matter where you are. But you have to decide for yourself.
How you earn your living is quite relevant. Government workers with their cushy jobs and solid gold taxpayer funded pensions tend to be against real jobs possibly because they do not have to worry where their next meal is coming from. Those of us that work in resource industries have a much more realistic view on development.
Stopping the oil sands development is just short sighted as there is still a demand for energy out there and if we don't supply it someone else will. Probably someone that will not tolerate silly protestors getting in the way and has little or no concern for the environment.
If you want to protest oil sands production you must work on the purchasing end, not the ones that are fulfilling a demand. Good luck with that one while you sit in your air conditioned house telling someone else they should freeze and starve in the dark.
I wish these protestors would change their focus from trying to kill everything that generates wealth to finding ways of doing things properly. Why do pipes have to be leaking in 2012?
What I said was that how a person makes his living isn't the only relevant consideration. You should go back and have another look before determining what is realistic and what isn't.
I don't know how far we have to look into the future, Harper is on that job already.
I'm guesing you voted for Gagliardi and the guys. It is interesting coming up against the same tired old non-arguments so many years later and finding that we still aren't freezing and starving in the dark despite quite a bit of a more common sense approach to development in this province. I call it a non-argument because back in the day it wasn't meant as an argument, just another bit of leather-lung rhetoric. Meant only to cover the fact that what they really wanted to say was "If I don't get my way my personal finances will suffer!"
I have worked in resource industries all my life, never had air conditioning, but I recognize that my personal income may have to suffer, a little, while we move to more beneficial energy systems, so that my grandkids don't suffer any worse than they are already going to because our generations have squandered their inheritance.
I'm not sure which protesters you are talking about that are out to stop developments that create wealth. Most of the environmentalists I know are out to ensure that the benefit cost ratio is on the plus side.
Pipes put in in 2012, won't be leaking, not for quite a while. The proper way of doing things though is to ensure that later, when the oxidation has done it's work, that the pipe is replaced before it springs a leak. The old "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" doesn't cut it when tens of thousands of barrels of really dirty crude are passing through the pipe and likely to burst out because the profit margns of whoever currently owns the pipeline won't allow renewal.
Are you saying that all the people who have been working on the Athabaska Tar sands since the early 70's have had such dis-honourable modus operandi?
Taxslaves comment was, "Probably someone that will not tolerate silly protestors getting in the way and has little or no concern for the environment." So my question for you is do you think it dishonourable?
Well, there you go and perhaps to be on the safe side they should start adding a little pipe cleaner to the oil. :lol:
Enbridge Wisconsin pipeline leak fresh blow for company's battered brand | Energy | News | Financial Post
GRAND MARSH, Wis. — Canada’s Enbridge Inc was to replace part of a pipeline that leaked more than 1,000 barrels of oil in a Wisconsin field Monday, shutting down a key conduit from Canada and provoking fresh ire from Washington.
The spill on Friday is the latest in a series of incidents that threaten to damage the reputation of a company that launched its most ambitious expansion program ever just two months ago. It came almost two years to the day after a ruptured Enbridge line fouled part of the Kalamazoo River in Michigan.
On Sunday, Enbridge said it tentatively planned to install a new section of pipe on Monday, although it was still unable to say when the 318,000 barrels-per-day Line 14 would resume service or what had caused the spill, which blackened a small field but did not appear to cause major damage.
GRAND MARSH, Wis. — Canada’s Enbridge Inc was to replace part of a pipeline that leaked more than 1,000 barrels of oil in a Wisconsin field Monday, shutting down a key conduit from Canada and provoking fresh ire from Washington.
The spill on Friday is the latest in a series of incidents that threaten to damage the reputation of a company that launched its most ambitious expansion program ever just two months ago. It came almost two years to the day after a ruptured Enbridge line fouled part of the Kalamazoo River in Michigan.
On Sunday, Enbridge said it tentatively planned to install a new section of pipe on Monday, although it was still unable to say when the 318,000 barrels-per-day Line 14 would resume service or what had caused the spill, which blackened a small field but did not appear to cause major damage.
That is quite the map, for a company with so much invested in future pipelines you really would think they would also focus on existing ones. For all the normal reasons, concern for the environment, financial losses, cleanup costs, public relations. Maybe this company is one with a built in fail.
Speaking of pipecleaners, if you think of the little ones people use to clean their pipes, or closer maybe to the concept of a chimney cleaning brush, pipelines are or used to be regularly shot through with a pig, (don't ask me why it is called that) that scours the inside of the pipe. But nothing lasts forever, and if replacement costs aren't factored into the companies balance sheet then there is something wrong with the whole mathematics of the oil economy. Oh yeah, there is definitely that.
Speaking of pipecleaners, if you think of the little ones people use to clean their pipes, or closer maybe to the concept of a chimney cleaning brush, pipelines are or used to be regularly shot through with a pig, (don't ask me why it is called that) that scours the inside of the pipe. But nothing lasts forever, and if replacement costs aren't factored into the companies balance sheet then there is something wrong with the whole mathematics of the oil economy. Oh yeah, there is definitely that.
These pipeleak news bites are going to continue to snowball and it won't look good for Enbridge.