Mulcair predicts demise of Northern Gateway pipeline project

coldstream

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Enlightened nations like Venezuela or the raft of dictatorial theocracies that have taken that position?

Thanks, but I'll pass on that.



PetroCanada was a loser until it was taken over by the private sector.

The enviro regs are already set by both the provinces and the feds so unless you are suggesting that the regs and industry be controlled by foreign interest groups and lobbies, your point is moot.



Gateway has nothing to do with your comment about 'selling-out'... If that is your angle, you might want to consider "who" is putting up the hundreds of billions to develop the resources; the simple fact is that there isn't enough investment dollars originating in Canada to fund these initiatives so unless you prefer that the feds/province tax Canadians into the grave to raise that capital, the ore, oil, wood products, et al will remain in the ground for aeons.

The Gateway and Texas Access Pipelines are TREASONABLE sellouts to the Canadian industrial potential and integrity.. by shipping raw Oil Sand products out of country for foreign refinement.

It's part of the fiction of Monetarism (free trade in currency and credit).. along with Free Trade, Privatization, De-regulation a pillar of Free Market ideology.. that any nation CANNOT assemble the credit and equipment... through its OWN sources.. for its own development. These are the foundations of the NEO-LIBERAL paradigm that has controlled the world for the last 40 years.. and is leading it to an imminent and inevitable collapse.. a Depression of unknown and depth and duration... but unlike anything we have seen before.

It is directly responsible for the tides of debt that are now flooding Europe and will soon engulf the world.

Also many first world nations control their resource sectors through Publicly held companies (Gov't. owned).. They constitute natural monopolies.. which exist in transportation, communication, utilities and energy.. that are best managed by public ownership.. because the huge infrastructure costs.. and the inefficiency of duplicating that investment.. and which form a critical substructure for the rest of the privately held economy.

FREE MARKETS.. the cult of laissez-faire capitalism has FAILED.. utterly and pathetically. We need to re-establish the sound government oversight corresponding with an equitable distribution of wealth, an integrated national industrial economy, and constructive control of currency and credit.. that existed prior to the rise of the predatory Global Investment Organism that now controls the world economy.

The economy as it existed between 1946 - 1971, which was based on protective tariffs, encouragement of internal competition, affordable and available credit, stabilized currency values (through the Bretton Woods Agreement) produced the greatest growth of distributed wealth, full employment and technological advancement in the history of the world. Its replacement, classic laissez-faire economic liberalism has placed all of that in imminent peril.
 
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Something to ponder.....how did the brother (Marv Romanow) of Mulcair's main advisor (Roy Romanow) plan on getting his companies oil to their partners (CNOOC) in China without a pipeline?

How come nobody bothered to fill Mulcair in on this?
 

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Hopefully all of them, That should be the way it works after all. All interested parties and all the concerns need to be synthesized into a workable set of regulations. Would you agree that loggers are not the best educated about the impacts of logging on fishing? or erosion? or aboriginal rights? or economic well being? It is the same with miners, delivery truck drivers, and investment brokers. There has to be a broad range of input. Trust me, the logging execs have a powerful lobby going flat out all the time for their own financial interest whether it is through environmental, stumpage, input costs, labour relations, etc.

You wouldn't want to turn the forests over to those guys.



Hahahaha, hehehehe, hohohohoho Laughing, The guess who. And guess who was the most afraid of the Bolsheviks, that's right it was the Stalinists. Where do you fit in?

Fair point.
For the most part logging companies, excluding contractors are run by bean counters that couldn't find their a$$hole by following a stream of ****x. To be somewhat fair to the execs they are pressured by a board and large shareholders that usually consist of government union and other large pension plans that don't care how many lives are lost or dreams shattered as long as their pension gets good returns.
When I was young camp managers were loggers, now they are morons with letters behind their name like RPF and PEng. or MBA. Most probably could not set a choker properly and safely and I would bet a months pay not one of them could rig a back spar or make a long splice.
 

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The Gateway and Texas Access Pipelines are TREASONABLE sellouts to the Canadian industrial potential and integrity.. by shipping raw Oil Sand products out of country for foreign refinement.

It's part of the fiction of Monetarism (free trade in currency and credit).. along with Free Trade, Privatization, De-regulation a pillar of Free Market ideology.. that any nation CANNOT assemble the credit and equipment... through its OWN sources.. for its own development. These are the foundations of the NEO-LIBERAL paradigm that has controlled the world for the last 40 years.. and is leading it to an imminent and inevitable collapse.. a Depression of unknown and depth and duration... but unlike anything we have seen before.

It is directly responsible for the tides of debt that are now flooding Europe and will soon engulf the world.

Also many first world nations control their resource sectors through Publicly held companies (Gov't. owned).. They constitute natural monopolies.. which exist in transportation, communication, utilities and energy.. that are best managed by public ownership.. because the huge infrastructure costs.. and the inefficiency of duplicating that investment.. and which form a critical substructure for the rest of the privately held economy.

FREE MARKETS.. the cult of laissez-faire capitalism has FAILED.. utterly and pathetically. We need to re-establish the sound government oversight corresponding with an equitable distribution of wealth, an integrated national industrial economy, and constructive control of currency and credit.. that existed prior to the rise of the predatory Global Investment Organism that now controls the world economy.

The economy as it existed between 1946 - 1971, which was based on protective tariffs, encouragement of internal competition, affordable and available credit, stabilized currency values (through the Bretton Woods Agreement) produced the greatest growth of distributed wealth, full employment and technological advancement in the history of the world. Its replacement, classic laissez-faire economic liberalism has placed all of that in imminent peril.
Well that is one little boy's opinion on it. No facts but thats OK.
If you think all that oil should be refined in Canada how about you try and get the necessary permits to build a refinery near say Vancouver. Let us know in ten years how it is going.
 

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Well that is one little boy's opinion on it. No facts but thats OK.
If you think all that oil should be refined in Canada how about you try and get the necessary permits to build a refinery near say Vancouver. Let us know in ten years how it is going.


Vancouver's full of ex-hippies or New Age gurus... but i think you could get a refining sector established along the Fraser, or the Bow in Alberta, with manageable environmental impacts.... with high paying, secure jobs that are becoming increasingly scarce throughout the Canadian economy. Jobs shipping raw material to outside processors usually pay little more than minimum wage.
 

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Vancouver's full of ex-hippies or New Age gurus... but i think you could get a refining sector established along the Fraser, or the Bow in Alberta, with manageable environmental impacts.... with high paying, secure jobs that are becoming increasingly scarce throughout the Canadian economy. Jobs shipping raw material to outside processors usually pay little more than minimum wage.

There is no environmental reason not to build a refinery in the lower mainland except that the NIMBYs and NOPES in Vancouver want the two small ones they have now closed. With mayor moonbeam in charge there is zero chance. Which is why I said good luck getting all the permits in this lifetime. These same people also think that they can stop development anywhere in the province. Of course they will also be the first to whine when their ACs don't work because of rolling brownouts or there is a shortage of their favorite imported wine because the port is shut down.
 

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Christy says BC is getting anyting out of the deal? Where is the money for this coming from Christy? Pacific Gateway - Home


I would think that at this point in our economic situation if it isn't paying for itself then it isn't something we need right now. If it is so valuable to us in the future then we will be able to afford it. If we are financing this strategy on the basis of problematic exports of dangerous production we need to rethink the strategy.