Ford tries to clarify his comments on gun criminals and immigration
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That is a quite strange analogy but it does not obscure the fault with your case. You are adding to the misinformation that says gun criminals are (necessarily?) immigrants. And also the implication made by some that they are Black immigrants.
This whole affair is something that some warned would happen. Years ago there were studies of the problems of disadvantaged youth and recommendations for action. Nothing has been done and. indeed, the causal conditions have worsened with the Right Wing ideology that has gripped society.
It will get worse yet if we, as a society, do not wake up. The easy accessibility of guns from our barbaric neighbour makes that inevitable. When the laissez faire attitude to social organisation of this federal government is added, then the explosion will follow. Cancelling the Gun Registry was just a facilitating step.
You have really poor comprehension skills. I said nothing about immigrants being criminals any more than the rest of the population. Only that we have a better way of protecting ourselves from the criminal element that come here than from the home grown variety.
We are still fixing the ills caused by a generation of socialist ideology that has caused so many problems in our society.
So if I understand clearly, he's proposing we introduce local-exilation laws, whereby if convicted of a crime, once time is served you can never go back to the city in which the crime was committed? Or is he proposing that the exilaiton laws replace imprisionment? A kind of NIMBY policy? If it has nothing to do with foreigners but rather with criminals in general, am I getting this right? And would this not conflict with the constitutional right of a Canadian to traveland find work in any part of Canada he wants if not in prison?
Could get complicated here.
And if that's the case, it's probably the Minister of Justice he's talking about.
Actually, he was talking about kicking them out of the city, not the country. Plus he said it had nothing to do with whether the criminal were a citizen or not. For citizens, that has nothing to do with immigration. Again, from what I was reading, it sounds like ford is proposing local-exilation laws.
he made it clear he was not referring to citizenship, so clearly he was referring to Canadian-born criminals too, which has nothing to do with immigration. Why he'd think Immigration and citizenship would be responsible for exiling Canadian-born criminals is beyond me. That's clearly the responsibility of the Minister of Justice.
You may not be grasping the implication of your own words. You talk of deporting immigrants convicted of gun crimes without considering the complexity of just that question alone (which need not be gone into since it distracts from the purpose of the discussion.)
This is not about criminality among some immigrants. It is about gun crime in Canada; the bulk of which is perpetrated by native born citizens. That needs to be the focus.
To add the gratuitous "caused by a generation of socialist ideology" hardly merits response. It is a singularly foolish assertion when the problem stems from the refusal to do what socialism demands.
Socialism doesn't demand it at gunpoint....
You mention the bulk of gun crime in Canada is perpetuated by native born Canadians. Toronto, though it IS in Canada, is NOT Canada. Previously, the hoods of Rexdale, Jane-Finch and Weston-Mount Dennis were brought up. Have you ever noticed the high percentage of Dominican Republican, Jamaican and Haitian folk?
You mention the bulk of gun crime in Canada is perpetuated by native born Canadians. Toronto, though it IS in Canada, is NOT Canada. Previously, the hoods of Rexdale, Jane-Finch and Weston-Mount Dennis were brought up. Have you ever noticed the high percentage of Dominican Republican, Jamaican and Haitian folk?
This has been noticeable. What also is noticeable is that they are usually native born Canadians. Those denied the promise of Canada and forced into that underclass or subculture of the deprived and hopeless.
What is alos noticeable is that Ontario, where most of thes live, is below the national average in violent crime.
I think "tough love" is just conservative code for "we couldn't care less about anybody who isn't us".
It didn't used to be like that, I remember Robert Stanfield as being one of the classiest, honorable politicians of his day...or any day.
How many conservatives were shot at that BBQ? Is that what's got Ford upset? That conservatives were shot at the BBQ?
That's not the issue here.
The issue is there's highly complex factors that have brought us to this point as a society, and Ford's simplistic and highly biased response goes against not just our laws but the traditions of this country. One of the reasons that there is so much violence is the exclusion of groups that already were marginalized. Pushing people to the side and expecting them to go away is a hopeless approach to social issues.
The mayor of a city isn't a sovereign, something Ford seems to have a tough time understanding.
I don't think it's complex at all. You shoot people we don't want you around. Period. Cry all the rivers you want about being marginalized. Canada bends over backwards to be inclusive. If you consider yourself marginalized here, you're likely doing something wrong.
Honestly I'm not necessarily opposed to exiling a criminal from the city where the crime was perpetrated. Just be aware this is what ford is proposing though.
Nope, he wants to know if there is a law or legal way to do it.
There's nothing complex about it. In fact, there's already legislation enforcing it.
No, the focus is, as \\fuzzy wanted, a hate fest for Ford.
I agree. And that started with poor policies enacted by PET, that allowed poor, uneducated people flood the inner city, without the necessary services and support to assist them.
Blaming everyone after the fact is a cop out.
What a load of shyte.
I'm from an 'underclass', I know scores of people from an 'underclass', that simply know right from wrong, or that if they work hard enough they will succeed.
What laws does Ford's request for information go against?
What a load of shyte.
Pushing inner city groups to the side?
Try being Native on land that has resources.
Then come back and talk to me about being pushed aside.
Another delusional accusation.
So you agree with Ford's erroneous position.
Quite a 'blasting' :lol: :
Liberal MP John McKay, whose Scarborough riding was rocked by the shooting, said Kenney should have known better than to echo anything said by Ford, whom he accused of fanning "the flames of ignorance and prejudice."
Honorable Johnny looks like a pretty cool dude though eh.
