This summer may see first ice-free North Pole

Kakato

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That's a foolish thing to say. The climate on our planet was once stable with no ice at the poles.

Ya well it aint going to happen in our lifetime or your kids or great grandkids either.

Things freeze at -50 with no sunlight,something you cant change is the 24 hours of sun in summer and darkness in winter.

lol!
You allways ignore this fact with your graphs.
I guess the graphs get in the way of the facts.
 

Tonington

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Ya well it aint going to happen in our lifetime or your kids or great grandkids either.

No, but you said ever...ever is a long time

Things freeze at -50 with no sunlight,something you cant change is the 24 hours of sun in summer and darkness in winter.

lol!
You allways ignore this fact with your graphs.

Things freeze at 0°...

I never have ignored that fact.
 

Kakato

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Billions even.
You havent got past the first million so I suggest you leave the billions alone for a bit.

Geologically speaking that is.

For the illiterately challenged that have nothing to do but nitpick yes,water freezes at zero,at minus 50 everything freezes,at minus 80 it's a life and death situation.

You always get the summer melting, in some years more than others. The main thing to keep your eyes on is the much thicker and stable multi-year ice pack which provides a base for the yearly sea ice to form on.

In recent decades the multi-year ice has declined in average thickness and overall extent to the point where it will at some point in not to many years down the road all be gone by the height of summer warming. After which you no longer have the stable base to build the yearly sea ice on and you have a totally different ecology and climate.

There's several decades of warming coming based on the extra CO2 we've added to the atmosphere most likely so debating whether the Arctic ice pack is going to be around in the future is probably pointless.

It's going to be a much different Arctic most likely before 2020. Ice conditions and weather is already much different now according to people who live on the Arctic ocean coast.

No shi*,it melts every summer.
Nice fearmongering though.

Let me know guys if you want to go to the arctic to see this warming and ice melting for yourself,I can arrange a flight with calm air to north of hudsons bay,You can then see for yourself because the amount of bs I see on here is just unreal.

The ignorance is astounding.
 

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How could it have been stable because, obviously, it has changed?

I think stable means remaining the same for a period of time, could be a week, a month, a year or a thousand years, but definitely not forever! :lol:
 

Kakato

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How could it have been stable because, obviously, it has changed?

Some folks think they can change the environment but they cant.
You cant **** with mother nature,she calls the shots.
She will also balance things out.
Allmost every bit of fearmongering I have seen on global warming/cooling leaves out the fact that they have 24 hours of sun in the summer and 24 hours of dark in winter.
 

JLM

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Some folks think they can change the environment but they cant.
You cant **** with mother nature,she calls the shots.
She will also balance things out.

In the end She definitely will, but man can sure f**K things up in the meantime. How long will it take Mother Nature to take care of Exxon Valdes?
 

Kakato

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In the end She definitely will, but man can sure f**K things up in the meantime. How long will it take Mother Nature to take care of Exxon Valdes?

No time to look that up,im posting from a canola field in SK and i think I really better start heading for the pavement soon as its raining cats and dogs.
Such is life in the patch when theres no hotel rooms available.

Live in your truck.
 

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No time to look that up,im posting from a canola field in SK and i think I really better start heading for the pavement soon as its raining cats and dogs.
Such is life in the patch when theres no hotel rooms available.

Live in your truck.

What part of Sask are you located?
 

Cabbagesandking

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Dark and light are not the determinant you think, kakato. For example, the night temperature increase, globally, is greater than daytime. Something that "sceptics" are loath to discuss.

The Arctic is warming at twice the rate of lower latitudes and it is foolish to try to claim that this is not having a large effect on Arctic ice and conditions. Thickness of permanent ice has shrunk from about 2.6 metres in 2000 to barely two metres now. That is a rapid and extreme loss.

And. the melt season starts earlier since it is not solely governed by the Sun's presence but, in part be the higher temperature responding earlier too the Sun. It also ends later because the warmer water does not freeze so easily.

These are not debatable and it matters not where you look at it from. The only area that is not yet experiencing ice loss in significant quantity is an area off North Eastern Greenland.
 

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Dark and light are not the determinant you think, kakato. For example, the night temperature increase, globally, is greater than daytime. Something that "sceptics" are loath to discuss.

The Arctic is warming at twice the rate of lower latitudes and it is foolish to try to claim that this is not having a large effect on Arctic ice and conditions. Thickness of permanent ice has shrunk from about 2.6 metres in 2000 to barely two metres now. That is a rapid and extreme loss.

And. the melt season starts earlier since it is not solely governed by the Sun's presence but, in part be the higher temperature responding earlier too the Sun. It also ends later because the warmer water does not freeze so easily.

These are not debatable and it matters not where you look at it from. The only area that is not yet experiencing ice loss in significant quantity is an area off North Eastern Greenland.

These are entirely debatable matters except you do not have the mental capacity necessary to debate. All you can do is parrot mostly unsubstantiated theories.
 

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Really, warmer (hotter) water doesn't freeze as "easily",(quickly?) as cold water?
You possibly meant something by this post? Charitably, I credit you with a momentary brain freeze.

These are entirely debatable matters except you do not have the mental capacity necessary to debate. All you can do is parrot mostly unsubstantiated theories.
That is quite a talent you have, txs. You can debate the measurements of thermometers and rulers?

Wow! I am impressed.
 

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You possibly meant something by this post? Charitably, I credit you with a momentary brain freeze.

I was asking for clarification. You stated that the warmer water results in later freezing as warmer water doesn't freeze as quickly as cold water.
 

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That analogy crossed my mind too. :smile:

Height works too. All sorts of analogies if one pauses and thinks about it...some may need to pause longer. Hopefully not so long that they forget what they were thinking about :lol: