Mall roof collapse injures at least 4 in N. Ontario

Durry

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It went back into rescue mode last night on orders from the Head Cheese and "How would you like it?..." reasoning - following some heated debate between local rescuers and Provincial bureaucracy.
Some body is trapped alive and your concerned about protecting ones turf...so stupid !!
 

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I agree that emergency people have to reduce or eliminate the risk. But there is always a way to mount a rescue effort safely, its just a matter of having the right expertise and equipment. If the current team didn't have the ability, then that's a reason for getting another rescue team, not stopping the rescue effort.
 

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You mean friends and family who know that someone was alive under the rubble? Is that who you mean by "spectators"?

I doubt I feel as angry as they do, knowing that some was alive under the pile of rubble and they've been abandonned.

If the one rescue team lacks the equipment or expertise to mount a rescue effort, that doesn't mean the rescue effort stops, that means that another team with the people and resources is brought in. There is always a way to mount a rescue. It may be slow or inefficient, but a way always exists. If they have to, they should tear that building apart brick by brick.

They brought in the Heavy Urban Search and Rescue from Toronto, which is trained specifically for rescues in building collapse etc. If they state it is unsafe, I would tend to believe them.
 

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Like seeing people die, Durry?
 
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Maybe you better learn to read, Durry
...and not just the label on your beer
Thumbs down, because I dislike name calling. It serves no purpose here on this forum. Please don't create a mess for the moderators to clean up. they have lives too.
 
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Definitely the high of gross incompetence!! Stupidity at an all time high!!
You never give up if there is sign of life.

The resurers probably got tired and wanted to go home and watch the CBC!!! Fools !!

You're such a moron.

The first thing you do in any rescue is to assess the skills and resources you'll need to mount the rescue.
Something was missing here, lack of intellegence ??

You're in no position to comment on anyone's intelligence.
 

lone wolf

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Thumbs down, because I dislike name calling. It serves no purpose here on this forum. Please don't create a mess for the moderators to clean up. they have lives too.
No ... thumbs down for the consistency of it


...and please spare me the lecture on creating messes or I might feel compelled to refer to you with an appropriate adjective
 
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As long as no rescuer is killed or seriously injured.

I think the rescue team, being trained in urban rescue, is a better judge of than than the ministry of labour, trained in following regulations. That was my previous point - the ministry should have zero authority in this scenario.
 

lone wolf

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You are as stupid as the spectators there. The first rule of rescuing is don't become another victim. It is highly unlikely in a community that size that there is either the equipment or technical expertise to conduct a rescue in a SAFE manner.
There really hasn't been since the uranium mines closed down and the town went from boom to bust to retirement community.
 

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I think the rescue team, being trained in urban rescue, is a better judge of than than the ministry of labour, trained in following regulations. That was my previous point - the ministry should have zero authority in this scenario.

That highlights the problem with bureaucracies, they are good at picking up the cheque but don't do f**K all. :lol:
 

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On a personal note ... last evening, my son-in-law came in late for his kids' belt presentation and sat with us, sweaty, in dirty red overalls, choking back tears. He and his mine rescue team had been onsite since shortly after the collapse until MofL shut them down. On his way back to Sudbury, they met with crews from Timmins who had just been called off. Story was the urban rescue people didn't want "amateurs" in the way....

I bet that doesn't make the news
 

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On a personal note ... last evening, my son-in-law came in late for his kids' belt presentation and sat with us, sweaty, in dirty red overalls, choking back tears. He and his mine rescue team had been onsite since shortly after the collapse until MofL shut them down. On his way back to Sudbury, they met with crews from Timmins who had just been called off. Story was the urban rescue people didn't want "amateurs" in the way....

I bet that doesn't make the news

How many rescuers do you need? From what I have read, it's not a manpower issue but having the equipment needed to extract these people, which is apparently on its way from Sudbury.
 

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They brought in the Heavy Urban Search and Rescue from Toronto, which is trained specifically for rescues in building collapse etc. If they state it is unsafe, I would tend to believe them.

I'm sure a way exists to mount a rescue effort, without unnecessary risks to the emergency workers. Its just a matter of how expensive and how slow the rescue effort would be.
 

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How many rescuers do you need? From what I have read, it's not a manpower issue but having the equipment needed to extract these people, which is apparently on its way from Sudbury.

Right, so they never should have cancelled the rescue effort, but immediately called in additional resources. My problem isn't with the organization that decided the current rescue effort was too dangerous, but the bureaucrat who decided to give up.
 

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I feel for your son-in-law wolf. I saw the frustration, the helplessness, of standing around doing nothing when you have the skills to help, first hand this weekend. A 4 month old baby turned blue during his nap time at the festival I was at. Friends of friends. There was one nurse in our group, and a nurse in a group camping near us. There were other first aid and emergency responders to the scene before them, so they were not needed. Waiting 45 mins for the ambulances to arrive, watching those nurses strain to not run back to the scene again, was heartbreaking. Even after the ambulances arrived, during the wait for Stars, they were pacing, frustrated, helpless. It wasn't until Stars finally left the site, almost 2 and a half hours after the baby was found, that people could stop pacing and trying to find something to do.