Public service abuse!

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DurkaDurka

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Unless you work for the Public Sector either in a Union or the rank and file state or government worker.

Check this out DD... this is common and I mean common. These stories pop out weekly... or more.

Four months vacation!


I-Team: State Employees Given Months Of Vacation Time « CBS Boston

And you are correct... these deals are approved by the elected State Legislature.

That's pretty ridiculous. Funny how the diplomat at the France consulate was even surprised hahaha
 

55Mercury

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well, you get 2 weeks off to start, and with seniority the annual leave goes up. I'm at it 32 years and get 6 weeks; I take my overtime in compensatory time off, and at time and three-quarter and time and a half for stats, that gets me most of the summer off. I know it's a sweet deal, but after 32 years of witnessing how not to run a country, you do get to feeling it's your due for enduring all the bs.

As for sick leave, yes, it's easy to use when you're pissed off with the place. It's still at 15 days/year or 120 hours, so that's only 10 days/year if you work 12-hour shifts.... but it used to be that only 80 hours of it could be taken as uncertified sick leave and anything over that had to be certified by a doctor on the 'blue form'. But maybe 10 years ago or so, I suppose the management or administration decided it was too painstaking to conduct an inquisition over each and every sick day and suddenly no longer required anyone to need a blue form for time off over the 80 hours. meh... Who knows what makes bureaucrats tick.
 

Liberalman

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Union workers are taxpayers and management are taxpayers and the two taxpayer groups negotiated the deal. We elect government to change things but when they smell money they usually leave it alone. Conservatives have a majority in Canada and the gold plated pension which is full pension after two terms in office they still have it
 

Kakato

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Anyone can go on stress leave,for months at a time,your basically paid EI rates and if your doctor tells you to golf 6 months out of the year to reduce your stress untill you can go back to work then you got a free holiday.
Paid leave and no one can say a thing because of privacy laws.
 

CDNBear

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Anyone can go on stress leave,for months at a time,your basically paid EI rates and if your doctor tells you to golf 6 months out of the year to reduce your stress untill you can go back to work then you got a free holiday.
Anyone?
 

damngrumpy

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First of all I am not saying they are entitled to sick days above and beyond everyone else.
I am saying put things into perspective. We compare the workforce to something we can
visualize. Therefore if you were to ask Chevron, or Standard Oil or some other transnational
what their sick day margin was world wide, you would likely have something on par.
The entire Federal Service is huge and it does not mean that everyone is taking serious time
off. I know many workers who don't take any time off and others a few days a year.
The problem should be addressed regarding the repeat offenders and they likely account for
most of the problem. It is hardly theft in reality, as it is in the contract that was signed by both
parties. That means Government Union and the Government itself.
The issue needs to be addressed true, but the Government can't complain about something it
signed onto. Secondly the Cabinet Ministers of late have signed onto deals that cost a hell of
a lot more that a billion, the Jets, were are being hosed is just one example.
Others include fishing trip helicopter rides, five star plus hotels and so on.
Once the Government masters feel entitled, then others do too,
 

CDNBear

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First of all I am not saying they are entitled to sick days above and beyond everyone else.
I am saying put things into perspective. We compare the workforce to something we can
visualize. Therefore if you were to ask Chevron, or Standard Oil or some other transnational
what their sick day margin was world wide, you would likely have something on par.
If you want to compare apples to oranges, sure.
 

Kakato

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I thought you said you had to go work your ass off to pay for all those transfer payments for us Ontarians. What are you doing trolling for trouble in here?
We called it a day at 4.
I allways have my laptop with me anyways in my office/truck.
Gotta send those pics in to the head office.
 

CDNBear

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We called it a day at 4.
I allways have my laptop with me anyways in my office/truck.
Gotta send those pics in to the head office.
Sounds like a good excuse for you to troll the threads.

I guess it's safe to say your claim was wrong.
 
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Kakato

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Stress leave is like mat leave,compassionate leave and all the other "leaves" EI pays for,it probably falls under medical leave but ya it's there,seen it used many many times at the mines in the elk valley.

As either the company,the doctor or EI cant even discuss it you will be hard pressed to find much about it on the net,medical leave,thats probably what EI runs it through.

I saw it used first hand for about 5 years by about 30 people in a 450 man coal mine.
You would see them on the golf course,smiling and waveing.

I'm not trolling,but you are stalking.
 

CDNBear

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Stress leave is like mat leave,compassionate leave and all the other "leaves" EI pays for,it probably falls under medical leave but ya it's there,seen it used many many times at the mines in the elk valley.

As either the company,the doctor or EI cant even discuss it you will be hard pressed to find much about it on the net,medical leave,thats probably what EI runs it through.
I already know you're wrong, you don't have to try and babble your way out of being wrong, again.

Anyone can go on stress leave,for months at a time,your basically paid EI rates and if your doctor tells you to golf 6 months out of the year to reduce your stress untill you can go back to work then you got a free holiday.
Is BS.

I can't. I'm a sub/contractor. Self employed.

You really should get out of the house more often, there's a whole world beyond your basement door, troll.
 

Kakato

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I already know you're wrong, you don't have to try and babble your way out of being wrong, again.

Is BS.

I can't. I'm a sub/contractor. Self employed.

You really should get out of the house more often, there's a whole world beyond your basement door, troll.


Wow,what a loser.

I'm a sub contractor also,I have the option of paying into EI and collecting it,just like any other contractor.
Maybe you should get out of the house if you dont even know the laws for your own bussiness.

Hope you owned someone today all day while on the net
 

Kakato

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I dont know what kind of bussiness you have but mines a seperate entity to me,I'm a numbered corporation,as an employee of my numbered company I am also entitled to EI,if my company wants to opt in to makeing payments,as I'm the major shareholder,I can make that happen.

It's my corp,I'm the major shareholder,life is good.

I can get EI if I want it by making payments through the company.
As it is my company,I have can have a shareholders meeting with myself and vote on making ei payments,with my lawyer also voting on it.
 

JLM

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The number of days per se is generally not the problem. Some people are healthier than others and of course many people do suffer a serious illness occasionallly. The problem is people who are taking sick leave when they aren't sick. You know damn well there is a problem when the annual average is 18 days per employee especially when there are many employees who take zero or one. :smile:
 

CDNBear

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I'm a sub contractor also,I have the option of paying into EI and collecting it,just like any other contractor.
Maybe you should get out of the house if you dont even know the laws for your own bussiness.
Interesting edit.

I said nothing about collecting EI.

How does the small one person, shop owner go on EI and still keep their business?

How does the sole sub/contractor with contracts go on EI, without breaching their contracts?

You really should stick to babbling about the Innuit.

Which means I can forgo replying to your other post, on the same rant, other than to point out...

When the employer (individual or corporation) and the employee are related to each other (related persons), they are deemed not to deal with each other at arm's length according to the ITA. Therefore, any employment between related persons is considered to be not insurable. However, the EIA contains a provision (paragraph 5(3)(b)) to make such employment insurable if the CRA is satisfied (when considering all the circumstances of the employment) that it is reasonable to conclude that the parties would have entered into a substantially similar employment if they had been dealing with each other at arm' length. In that case, the CRA will determine that the parties are dealing at arm's length and the employment is insurable (unless it is non-insurable or excluded under another provision of the EIA).

ETA: This is where you start babbling about fracking and the oil sands.
 
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taxslave

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Just like the bankrupt countries in Europe the government workers are entitled to their entitlements. Worse they are entitled to be paid out for unused sick days when they retire. Don't wory us hard working taxpayers still retain almost %50 of our paycheques so there is still room for more waste.
 
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