Tommy the Commie Mulcair blasts fracking plans in New Brunswick

Kakato

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Did you miss the point where these wells went dry? How do you do laundry 'back home' when 'back home' has no water?
Who ran out of water?

Alberta has an awesome infrastructure plan to have fresh water piped to every community eventually so water has allways been an issue on the praries,from ten inch lines to towns and 2 inch lines to farmers,eventually everyone will have fresh water,Oil and gas has nothing to do with that,prarie folks have been watering up at small town water tanks for decades.

Why is it when ever anything to do with oil and gas is discussed some look at better solutions and being progressive and some just jump on the hate oil bandwagon and seem stuck in the past?

**** happens,shi* will allways happen,lets move on and get better at what we are best at,resource extraction and of course,the environment is allways #1.
 

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(Sussex, NB) On Monday, March 14th, 26 residents of Penobsquis begin a two-week battle to prove Potash Corporation stole their water and ruined their lives. Shortly after water began flooding the potash mine and PotashCorp and Corridor Resources completed rounds of seismic testing, about 60 homes in the area lost their drinking water supply.
 

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The water was being pumped out of the mine long before Corridor Resources started seismic testing.

The water was being pumped out, and they wanted to find a site for an injection well, to pump it back into the ground, instead of having to truck it to the bay. When some of the wells were drilled, they discovered natural gas, and then signed an agreement with Corridor to explore for gas.

People have distorted the whole thing to blame seizmic testing and fracking for the lost wells, but the reality is different.

In 2004, Potash Corporation of Saskatchewan (PCS) undertook
a round of seismic testing that included an area over top of their mining
operation in Penobsquis. The mine workings roughly follow Route 114, the old Trans Canada Highway, in Penobsquis. This area was part of the seismic testing which included the detonation of dynamite charges. There were reports of homes shaking from the blasts, and homeowners finding muddy water the next time they turned on their taps.
Residents quickly linked their lost wells and springs, and the increase in water inflow that the mine was having at the time. Officials in the Provincial Department of Environment and Local Government also believed the mine was responsible for the dry wells and springs.[1]
After this connection was made it seemed to also make sense to residents that wells and springs that went dry in the late 90’s, when the water inflow problem at the mine was just beginning, were likely related to the
same circumstances. PCS had started trucking water away in the late 90’s
 

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What a ****ing moron....

Federal New Democratic Party Leader Tom Mulcair warned Rothesay residents about the potential problems with shale gas exploration during a byelection campaign stop in the southern New Brunswick town on Sunday.

Mulcair held a public rally with New Brunswick NDP Leader Dominic Cardy on Sunday to boost his chances in the June 25 byelection.

Cardy is trying to win the seat vacated by former Progressive Conservative MLA Margaret-Ann Blaney, who left politics to take the high-paying position as president and chief executive officer of Efficiency New Brunswick.

Mulcair used the rally to criticize the province's shale gas policies, suggesting that Rothesay's drinking water could be threatened if companies went forward with hydraulic fracturing, which is also known as hydro-fracking.

"It's a beautiful pristine source of drinking water. That would be put in danger with fracking. Look at the American experience. Look at what's happened in states like Pennsylvania. People have to be made to understand that this is a false choice,” Mulcair told the rally.

The New Brunswick government is proposing 116 changes to the regulatory framework that oversees the oil and gas industry.

The second in a series of town hall meetings to review that plan is in Durham Bridge on Monday.

The federal NDP leader said natural gas companies do not want to answer tough questions about shale gas exploration and hydro-fracking.

"Well, here's one tough question: If you think that your method of getting to that gas is safe, why won't you reveal the contents of the fracking fluid?" Mulcair said.

In New Brunswick, the provincial government has committed to requiring, "mandatory disclosure of fracture fluid additives."

Mulcair's views on resource development have come under fire in recent weeks.

Preston Manning, the former Reform Party leader, called Mulcair "hypocritical" for "preaching" to Alberta while turning a blind eye to the environmental cost of producing energy in Quebec. Manning's comments came during an interview that aired Saturday on CBC Radio's The House.

Mulcair has drawn the ire of the federal government and some western premiers for his thoughts on oilsands development.

The federal NDP leader has said the Canadian dollar is being held "artificially high" by the oilsands causing the economy harm in other parts of the country.

The Mulcair rally was attended by a small crowd of NDP supporters.

Cardy was an early supporter of Mulcair when the Montreal MP announced he was running for the federal party’s leadership after the death of Jack Layton.

Mulcair said other federal NDP members would be coming to Rothesay in the coming weeks to help Cardy.

The NDP has not held a seat in the legislature since 2005 when former party leader Elizabeth Weir resigned to become the president and chief executive officer of Efficiency NB.

Cardy announced that he would run in the Rothesay byelection shortly after Premier David Alward announced the date. There are five candidates in the race to replace Blaney.

The Progressive Conservatives are fielding Hugh John (Ted) Flemming III and John Wilcox, a retired police officer, is running for the Liberals.

Sharon Murphy will be running in the riding again for the Green Party and Marjorie MacMurray will be on the ballot as an Independent candidate.

While Mulcair used the Rothesay rally to blast the provincial government on its shale gas regulations, Cardy continued to hammer the Progressive Conservatives and the Liberals on patronage.

Blaney’s appointment to Efficiency NB has been criticized as patronage and several prominent Progressive Conservatives, including Finance Minister Blaine Higgs and Flemming have not endorsed the appointment.

“We cannot build a strong province that our children deserve without talking about the culture of patronage that is holding New Brunswick back. This is an addiction that our province can no longer afford,” Cardy said.

The NDP leader is proposing what he calls his Rothesay charter, which would ban hiring based on political affiliation, except for political staff.

Cardy’s proposal, which would need to be endorsed by the Progressive Conservatives and the Liberals, would also lay out a new hiring procedure for chief executive officers of Crown corporations.

Cardy told the Rothesay crowd the Tories and the Liberals have squandered the province’s development through a litany of broken promises and patronage appointments.

“Our Liberals, our Conservatives they were too often lazy and too often careless and instead of investing in our province's future they gave it away with every patronage appointment, every broken word and every ridiculous promise made, they gave it away,” Cardy said.

“There is no perfection in this world but there is a constant fight to do better. You have to decide whether to engage in that fight, you have to decide whether to try to make things better. The New Democrats, we have made that decision.”

Mulcair said on Sunday that he would like to see New Brunswick voters embrace the NDP as a legitimate alternative to the two traditional parties. He pointed out how many Canadian voters turned to the NDP in the recent federal election, making it the Official Opposition.

“After over 100 years of alternating between Liberal patronage and Conservative patronage, New Brunswickers now have a choice,” he said.

Other than considering Tommy hypocritical, Manning essentially agreed with him. Does that make Manning a comie too? Did Manning join the NDP while I was sleeping?
 

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I've never worked siesmic but I didnt think they used very big charges.My house shakes most times they blast over in B.C. in the strip mines about 60 miles as the crow flys.It is very possible dewatering an underground mine could affect nearby aquifers for sure.I have over 1500 kilometers of shafts and tunnells under my community and we never had water problems but we are on the eastern slope of the rockies so we are a source of lots of spring runoff and snowpack melt.
I can see water flowing through a fault into the mine depleting an aquifer,water does flow downhill.
That would have to be an awfull lot of water though and I dont know if they did but there are tests they can do with dies to see where water is actually going.
 

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Other than considering Tommy hypocritical, Manning essentially agreed with him. Does that make Manning a comie too? Did Manning join the NDP while I was sleeping?

Only while he isn't in office.

Manning in office = Reform Lord that will not support carbon tax/cap and trade
Manning out of office = commie green socialist that supports carbon tax/cap and trade

Hmm... I wonder what has changed since the Reform Lord was in office..






 

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Tommy the Commie? Well, it is about time someone posted a thread with so impartial and fair and impartial an attitude. Forgive me if I don't bother to read the rest of your rant.
Geeze, I wish we could see your insightful views on that, when it isn't Mulcair getting ripped on. lol...
 

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And once again, the supporters of fracking are those with financial interests involved. Bias is as bias does. Who cares about the consequences, long and short, as long as you have more money in your pocket. Gotta love capitalists.
 

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And once again, the supporters of fracking are those with financial interests involved. Bias is as bias does. Who cares about the consequences, long and short, as long as you have more money in your pocket. Gotta love capitalists.

Don't you get it?

More money always = better world.

Now repeat that 10x and click your heels and we will all be transported to a magical place.
 

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And once again, the supporters of fracking are those with financial interests involved. Bias is as bias does. Who cares about the consequences, long and short, as long as you have more money in your pocket. Gotta love capitalists.

I never realized that the National Post had direct interests in fracking companies.

I guess that it's back to the drawing board on that theory

Then why are you so hopped up on taxation to solve problems?


.... Are you somehow suggesting that 'free healthcare' is in fact, not truly free?
 

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I never realized that the National Post had direct interests in fracking companies.

I guess that it's back to the drawing board on that theory

Who owns the NP? The ruling rich support each other and I'm pretty sure they invest in each other. Check the owner's portfolio.

.... Are you somehow suggesting that 'free healthcare' is in fact, not truly free?
Not sure what that has to do with anything, but who ever believes that is living in la la land.
 

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Who owns the NP? The ruling rich support each other and I'm pretty sure they invest in each other. Check the owner's portfolio.

I'll bet that they have a secret handshake and everything


Not sure what that has to do with anything, but who ever believes that is living in la la land.

In the real world, goods and services cost money