Syria- A reason to intervene?

Should the West support the Arab League if they call for intervention


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Goober

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More than 10 thousand have died- When does the world say enough- 20 k - 50 k - 100 k. Ethnic cleansing - what is to much?

http://www.economist.com/world/middle-east-africa

The Real Reason to Intervene in Syria - By James P. Rubin | Foreign Policy

We're not done with the possibility of an Israeli strike on Iran. Given that the current round of negotiations with the world's major powers will not fundamentally change Iran's nuclear program, the question of an Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear facilities is likely to return to center stage later this year. In addition to hard-headed diplomacy and economic sanctions, there is an important step the United States can take to change Israel's calculations -- helping the people of Syria in their battle against President Bashar al-Assad's regime.

Iran's nuclear program and Syria's civil war may seem unconnected, but in fact they are inextricably linked. Israel's real fear -- losing its nuclear monopoly and therefore the ability to use its conventional forces at will throughout the Middle East -- is the unacknowledged factor driving its decision-making toward the Islamic Republic. For Israeli leaders, the real threat from a nuclear-armed Iran is not the prospect of an insane Iranian leader launching an unprovoked nuclear attack on Israel that would lead to the annihilation of both countries. It's the fact that Iran doesn't even need to test a nuclear weapon to undermine Israeli military leverage in Lebanon and Syria. Just reaching the nuclear threshold could embolden Iranian leaders to call on their proxy in Lebanon, Hezbollah, to attack Israel, knowing that their adversary would have to think hard before striking back.

That is where Syria comes in. It is the strategic relationship between the Islamic Republic and the Assad regime that makes it possible for Iran to undermine Israel's security. Over the three decades of hostility between Iran and Israel, a direct military confrontation has never occurred -- but through Hezbollah, which is sustained and trained by Iran via Syria, the Islamic Republic has proven able to threaten Israeli security interests.

The collapse of the Assad regime would sunder this dangerous alliance. Defense Minister Ehud Barak, arguably the most important Israeli decision-maker on this question, recently told CNN's Christiane Amanpour that the Assad regime's fall "will be a major blow to the radical axis, major blow to Iran.... It's the only kind of outpost of the Iranian influence in the Arab world ... and it will weaken dramatically both Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Gaza."

The rebellion in Syria has now lasted more than a year. The opposition is not going away, and it is abundantly clear that neither diplomatic pressure nor economic sanctions will force Assad to accept a negotiated solution to the crisis. With his life, his family, and his clan's future at stake, only the threat or use of force will change the Syrian dictator's stance. Absent foreign intervention, then, the civil war in Syria will only get worse as radicals rush in to exploit the chaos there and the spillover into Jordan, Lebanon, and Turkey intensifies.

U.S. President Barack Obama's administration has been understandably wary of engaging in an air operation in Syria similar to the campaign in Libya, for three main reasons. Unlike the Libyan opposition forces, the Syrian rebels are not unified and do not hold territory. The Arab League has not called for outside military intervention as it did in Libya. And the Russians, the longtime patron of the Assad regime, are staunchly opposed.

Libya was an easier case. But other than the laudable result of saving many thousands of Libyan civilians from Muammar al-Qaddafi's regime, it had no long-lasting consequences for the region. Syria is harder -- but success there would be a transformative event for the Middle East. Not only would another ruthless dictator succumb to mass popular opposition, but Iran would no longer have a Mediterranean foothold from which to threaten Israel and destabilize the region.

A successful intervention in Syria would require substantial diplomatic and military leadership from the United States. Washington should start by declaring its willingness to work with regional allies like Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey to organize, train, and arm Syrian rebel forces. The announcement of such a decision would, by itself, likely cause substantial defections from the Syrian military. Then, using territory in Turkey and possibly Jordan, U.S. diplomats and Pentagon officials could start strengthening and unifying the opposition. Once the opposition knows real outside help is on the way, it should be possible over time to build a coherent political leadership based on the Syrian National Council as well as a manageable command and control structure for the Free Syrian Army, both of which are now weak and divided. This will be difficult and time-consuming, but we should remember that the Syrian civil war is now destined to go on for years, whether the outside world intervenes or not.
 
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petros

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If the current regime stays , the Christians are safe. if the Brotherhood gets in the Christians are ****ed.
 

damngrumpy

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This is a civil war and more. The problem is there is limited coexistence in the society.
There are Christians and different versions of Islam itself. The Brotherhood is behind
this, they want to do what others have done, set up a Muslim State or one controlled by
it to slowly convert to an Islamic state.
The West cannot solve the problems of Arab world only the people can do that. Besides
we helped directly or indirectly in the other nations and in every case the young people
who made the sacrifices were pushed aside in favour of the Islamic Brotherhood element.
The is short is a case of one bloodthirsty devil fighting off a group of other bloodthirsty
devils waiting in the wings. Nope, stay to hell out of this and mind our own business.
 

Goober

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If the current regime stays , the Christians are safe. if the Brotherhood gets in the Christians are ****ed.

The divisions within the religions began months ago- Shia kidnapping Sunni- Christian and Alawite- the seeds have been sown and they are growing fast. The problem will be to stop it.
 

gopher

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50,000 have died in Mexico's violence as the corrupt government sits by and does nothing. If 10,000 deaths is enough to warrant intervention, then it is far more justified in Mexico.
 

eh1eh

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Ya soooo. What are their oil reserves like? Well? (no pun intended but that was f^cking funny, for me at least, if anyone else doesn't think it's funny, I don't care but if you insist please explain below.)
 

Goober

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How many is it acceptable to kill in a campaign to liberate them? Is Iraq the standard?
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Ain't war grand!

That is not my point- I posted one article due to the geopolitics that are always in play - From the Saudi's hate for Iran to the Nuke program to the Mid east and Iran's proxies.

How many will die before the world finds it unacceptable- how many will die before the Arab league has had enough.

Why is the ICC not investigating and laying charges if warranted.

Why do we not have total sanctions on Syria-
 

Spade

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It is not up to me to answer I am not suggesting intervention. But, those that do must think there is a cost benefit. So, I await Goober's reply.