Oil Sand Myths

[Redmonton_Rebel]

There are so many different options to the way we're living now that could create very positive improvements in the way we live and work that are being marginalized and ignored in our rush for ever more "cheap" energy.

Only it's not cheap when you calculate in the human and ecological costs. I have no doubt by the time things get truly uncomfortable, most of the big petro-chemical companies will be gone and the people who got so rich on our dime will have built luxurious get aways on the new prefered hotspots on Greenland or the Canadian Arctic which will likely become much more temperate long before this century is over. Always making sure to buy waterfront property at least a couple of hundred feet above the historic sea level so they can leave it for their decendents.

The rest of us remaining will be living in the wasteland created by climate change and the resulting wars, fighting for ever dwindling sources of water, food and shelter from the extreme weather.

Mad Max Steven Harper style...

I don't live anywhere near active formations and neither do you. Useless.

Ever hear of the ring-of-fire?

Pacific Ring of Fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or how about plasma deep drilling?

Plasma deep drilling technology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If we could just take the effort you fossil fuel addicts put into finding ways to justify not changing we'd be halfway to a real solution.

 

[petros]

Do you live on the coast? Plasma drill into what for heat?

 

[taxslave]

The two geothermal developments that I am aware of in Victoria have massive electric bills for heat in the winter. Pray tell how that is an efficient way to heat.

There are so many different options to the way we're living now that could create very positive improvements in the way we live and work that are being marginalized and ignored in our rush for ever more "cheap" energy.

Only it's not cheap when you calculate in the human and ecological costs. I have no doubt by the time things get truly uncomfortable, most of the big petro-chemical companies will be gone and the people who got so rich on our dime will have built luxurious get aways on the new prefered hotspots on Greenland or the Canadian Arctic which will likely become much more temperate long before this century is over. Always making sure to buy waterfront property at least a couple of hundred feet above the historic sea level so they can leave it for their decendents.

The rest of us remaining will be living in the wasteland created by climate change and the resulting wars, fighting for ever dwindling sources of water, food and shelter from the extreme weather.

Mad Max Steven Harper style...



Ever hear of the ring-of-fire?

Pacific Ring of Fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or how about plasma deep drilling?

Plasma deep drilling technology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If we could just take the effort you fossil fuel addicts put into finding ways to justify not changing we'd be halfway to a real solution.

I think you better change your tinfoil hat for a lead one. Something's leaking.

 

[Kakato]

Yup,tinfoil hat territory,it boogles the mind sometimes how many people have a hate on for Alberta because they are prosperous,and it's usually peeps from Ontario that think they are entitled to something because they spent the last 50 years trying to rape the west.

Well..the peeps that made Alberta and soon Sask prosperous are from mostly the east and Alberta,you wont hear them bitching about the jobs,the money they make to send home and buy ****e they never could have had in a lifetime working in the east.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

This will be a National Unity crisis and quite soon if the talk from some Albertans is representative. This not a "hate" for Alberta. That is plain silly.

It is also egotistical and self centred. There are many Albertans who do understand the justice of the positions. I think that the Premier of Alberta would be amongst those but is unable for political reasons to publicly acknowledge it. Which says something about whether p[olitics or principle comes first.

Lougheed has, so why can't a few more?

 

[Kakato]

This will be a National Unity crisis and quite soon if the talk from some Albertans is representative. This not a "hate" for Alberta. That is plain silly.

It is also egotistical and self centred. There are many Albertans who do understand the justice of the positions. I think that the Premier of Alberta would be amongst those but is unable for political reasons to publicly acknowledge it. Which says something about whether p[olitics or principle comes first.

Lougheed has, so why can't a few more?

Bull****,your just jelous of our prosperity,suck it up princess,hope that auto industry takes care of you.

Bull****,your just jelous of our prosperity,suck it up princess,hope that auto industry takes care of you.

You can either join the boom,or continue whining about it but the rest of the hard working Canadians are going to make this good for the country,something you dont seem to grasp.

 

[captain morgan]

I think you better change your tinfoil hat for a lead one. Something's leaking.

Mybe an asbestos-lined foil hat will fix that issue.

 

[Kakato]

Mybe an asbestos-lined foil hat will fix that issue.

if he has mutual funds then he prolly owns stock in the oilsands,

 

[MapleDog]

Apparently the ecologist groups that are against oil sands are financed by oil companies from other nations,if true then its hypocrite.

 

[Omicron]

There are so many different options to the way we're living now that could create very positive improvements in the way we live and work that are being marginalized and ignored in our rush for ever more "cheap" energy.

By "cheap" what they mean is for someone past his Peter Principal level to actually be in charge, such that he's a sucker for Lucfer to brain-wave take over.

http://tunes.digitalock.com/Augusts_Rhapsody.mp3

The bottom line is this... Canadians are one of two people on the planet with enough resources to be self suffient, therefore they are sucked on like from mad mosquitoes from the puppys on Bay Street being bumb-****ed by New York.

 

[Redmonton_Rebel]

Do you live on the coast? Plasma drill into what for heat?

No, I live in central Alberta.

There's geological activity all the way into the Rockies that would allow Geothermal Power plants to be built.

You plasma drill into bedrock at up to 30,000 feet depth...which means in an area where magma comes anywhere near the surface it can be accessed and used to produce electricity. The only emissions are water vapour which is a non-persistent gas.

If you're looking for other nearby sources of Geothermal power on a massive scale, there's one of the largest volcanos in the world just south of the border in Yellowstone. THe magma pool underneath is vast and you could slant drill bore holes so you didn't need to disturb anything in the park. That source alone would be enough to power North America indefinitely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Caldera

The simple fact is there are many other options to fossil fuels that aren't being developed because of political interference at the highest levels to keep the fossil fuel sector alive. Once large scale development of alternatives began they would soon force a serious examination of the true costs of fossil fuels and end the virtual monopoly that the fossil fuel sector has held over energy production for more than a century.

Apparently the ecologist groups that are against oil sands are financed by oil companies from other nations,if true then its hypocrite.

You really don't understand the oil business, there's little if any competition within it and most of it stems from one giant monopoly that was broken up just over a century ago.

Standard Oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The two geothermal developments that I am aware of in Victoria have massive electric bills for heat in the winter. Pray tell how that is an efficient way to heat.

And spending billions of dollars to dig up thousands of square kilometres of Canadian wilderness and creating the worlds largest toxic waste site while coincidentally emitting huge amounts of a gas that experts have been warning us for decades there is already too much of is efficient?

And Geothermal power plants provide all the heat they need to operate plus produce electricity.

Once you get large-scale Geothermal up and running the operating costs are miniscule compared to oil sands development, the control is local as are the emissions and the source of heat is virtually endless.

I think you better change your tinfoil hat for a lead one. Something's leaking.

Abuse is a poor substitute for content in any discussion.

 

[captain morgan]

This will be a National Unity crisis and quite soon if the talk from some Albertans is representative. This not a "hate" for Alberta. That is plain silly.

The NEP still lives in the minds of westerners. Another attempt at a grab will more than likely morph beyond crisis into a quebec-style referendum.

suck it up princess,hope that auto industry takes care of you.

How come we never hear about sharing the good fortune in terms of being the beneficiary in Sask and AB?... I don't recall there being a national discussion in compelling the mfg sector to share their bounty when they were prospering.

Funny the way that works, eh?

No, I live in central Alberta.

There's geological activity all the way into the Rockies that would allow Geothermal Power plants to be built.

You plasma drill into bedrock at up to 30,000 feet depth...which means in an area where magma comes anywhere near the surface it can be accessed and used to produce electricity. The only emissions are water vapour which is a non-persistent gas.

If you're looking for other nearby sources of Geothermal power on a massive scale, there's one of the largest volcanos in the world just south of the border in Yellowstone. THe magma pool underneath is vast and you could slant drill bore holes so you didn't need to disturb anything in the park. That source alone would be enough to power North America indefinitely.

Yellowstone Caldera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Any thoughts on the costs on drilling a 30,000 foot hole? How about the slant/directional suggestion, that ought to double or triple your drilling distance and costs... But even if you could justify the costs, you still have to turn that steam into electricity AND transport it to the markets that need it.

FYI - Electricity doesn't do well to travel large distances, you end up losing more to friction than you actually deliver to the end users over long distances.

The simple fact is there are many other options to fossil fuels that aren't being developed because of political interference at the highest levels to keep the fossil fuel sector alive. Once large scale development of alternatives began they would soon force a serious examination of the true costs of fossil fuels and end the virtual monopoly that the fossil fuel sector has held over energy production for more than a century.

None of the options are economic or cost effective.

You really don't understand the oil business, there's little if any competition and most of it stems from one giant monoploy that was broken up just over a century ago.

Standard Oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you really relying on a 100 year old example of a resource monopoly?

 

[petros]

No, I live in central Alberta.

There's geological activity all the way into the Rockies that would allow Geothermal Power plants to be built.

You plasma drill into bedrock at up to 30,000 feet depth...which means in an area where magma comes anywhere near the surface it can be accessed and used to produce electricity. The only emissions are water vapour which is a non-persistent gas.

If you're looking for other nearby sources of Geothermal power on a massive scale, there's one of the largest volcanos in the world just south of the border in Yellowstone. THe magma pool underneath is vast and you could slant drill bore holes so you didn't need to disturb anything in the park. That source alone would be enough to power North America indefinitely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Caldera

The simple fact is there are many other options to fossil fuels that aren't being developed because of political interference at the highest levels to keep the fossil fuel sector alive. Once large scale development of alternatives began they would soon force a serious examination of the true costs of fossil fuels and end the virtual monopoly that the fossil fuel sector has held over energy production for more than a century.



You really don't understand the oil business, there's little if any competition within it and most of it stems from one giant monopoly that was broken up just over a century ago.

Standard Oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



And spending billions of dollars to dig up thousands of square kilometres of Canadian wilderness and creating the worlds largest toxic waste site while coincidentally emitting huge amounts of a gas that experts have been warning us for decades there is already too much of is efficient?

And Geothermal power plants provide all the heat they need to operate plus produce electricity.

Once you get large-scale Geothermal up and running the operating costs are miniscule compared to oil sands development, the control is local as are the emissions and the source of heat is virtually endless.



Abuse is a poor substitute for content in any discussion.

You're crazy.

 

[Redmonton_Rebel]

You're crazy.

And you're not worth listening to.

People who think what we're doing with oil sands development is sane, probably aren't.

 

[captain morgan]

You're crazy.

I've been called worse... Quite recently in fact

 

[taxslave]

Apparently the ecologist groups that are against oil sands are financed by oil companies from other nations,if true then its hypocrite.

It is true.

 

[Redmonton_Rebel]

It is true.

It's a conspiracy theory meant to discredit anyone who doesn't agree with a very narrow viewpoint on energy production and marketing.

Provide some proof.

 

[captain morgan]

It's a conspiracy theory meant to discredit anyone who doesn't agree with a very narrow viewpoint on energy production and marketing.

Provide some proof.

Check out the suzuki foundation... They get all kinds of funding from oil/gas

 

[Cabbagesandking]

The manufacturing sector did, and does, share its bounty. It i called equalization. Ontario and Quebec paid the freight for all Canada for generations until around the 1970s when Ontario was by far the biggest payer.

What Alberta and Saskatchewan have is windfall, not bounty, and it id not shared. Funny that the rsources once belonged to Canada and were given to those provinces so that they would have sufficient home grow funds.

I don't think that many people understand the magnitude of this. It is estimated that Alberta will receive $20 trillion over the next twenty five years while $230 billion will spin off to other provinces in Canada. That is not much more than 1%. It is also aonly a fraction of what the other provinces are losing.

Why do you think that the Alberta Premier and the other Western Premiers are now talking of a National Energy Policy? Guilt! They know this. It is unsustainable and will destroy Alberta as well as Canadian manufacturing.

 

[petros]

And you're not worth listening to.

People who think what we're doing with oil sands development is sane, probably aren't.

Where do you get thses non-sense ideas from?