Oil Sand Myths

Redmonton_Rebel

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You have not. You are lying.


As I understand Rebel's point, he is emphasising that the oil sands cannot get a free pass. Around the world there are scores of situations where the effect on climate would be modest. In total they are not. The oil sands are not the greatest threat: coal is still that and it is coal that must be attacked most earnestly.

The oil sands, though, are a significant factor and the biggest single element in the problem. They are something that can and will, eventually, be limited. In the meantime, they are the biggest cobtributor to Canada's leper status in the world with respect to environment al responsibility.

Not to mention the short term damage to the economy and the long term effect of a return to reliance on the boom and bust of resources.

Bingo.

There are so many negative aspects to oil sands development that aren't being addressed and at some point are almost certainly going to come back and cost us far more that the limited amount we get in compensation for allowing the exploitation of the tar sands.

It's like crack addicts trying to get todays fix not caring about tomorrows consequences.
 

Cliffy

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Bingo.

There are so many negative aspects to oil sands development that aren't being addressed and at some point are almost certainly going to come back and cost us far more that the limited amount we get in compensation for allowing the exploitation of the tar sands.

It's like crack addicts trying to get todays fix not caring about tomorrows consequences.
Unfortunately, our society is addicted to oil because the drug pushers (oil cartels) have done a really hard sell to make it and keep it that way. We have the technology to stop using the crap today but that tech is suppressed to keep the pushers rich and everybody else complacent.

The oil sands are clean compared to china's dirty coal fired electrical plants,funny how you ignore them as they are way bigger then the oilsands will ever be.They get a pass or what?

Your agenda is showing.
Your agenda is showing! We don't live in China. That is a straw man argument. The tar sands are in our backyard and we have every right to campaign against it.
 

Redmonton_Rebel

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So, from my perspective, in a thread where the intent was to shine light on myths surrounding the oil sands, it's a bit disingenuous to make a specific claim about the oil sands, when it is so divorced from reality.

It's called poisoning the well.

The myth I was refering to is that we can continue to develope the oil sands or any other major source of atmospheric CO2 with no consequences. The big lie from Ottawa is that this is progress for Canada. The reality is it's just one more way to keep an industry that should be on its last legs stumbling along for a few more years while leaving the people of Canada with the expensive cleanup bill...if we can even afford it when it comes to things like climate change. How do you reverse an ice sheet if it enters into a large scale melting mode for instance. Do we really want to find out if Antarctica will become ice free eventually at between 350ppm and 550ppm of CO2. What our government is doing in our name is reckless in the extreme.

What you're doing is tantamount to championing tobacco products. Only tobacco doesn't have a global reach in the way carbon dioxide pollution does.

Unfortunately, our society is addicted to oil because the drug pushers (oil cartels) have done a really hard sell to make it and keep it that way. We have the technology to stop using the crap today but that tech is suppressed to keep the pushers rich and everybody else complacent.

damn straight
 
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captain morgan

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Unfortunately, our society is addicted to oil because the drug pushers (oil cartels) have done a really hard sell to make it and keep it that way. We have the technology to stop using the crap today but that tech is suppressed to keep the pushers rich and everybody else complacent.


Your agenda is showing! We don't live in China. That is a straw man argument. The tar sands are in our backyard and we have every right to campaign against it.

The myth I was refering to is that we can continue to develope the oil sands or any other major source of atmospheric CO2 with no consequences. The big lie from Ottawa is that this is progress for Canada. The reality is it's just one more way to keep an industry that should be on its last legs stumbling along for a few more years while leaving the people of Canada with the expensive cleanup bill...if we can even afford it when it comes to things like climate change. How do you reverse an ice sheet if it enters into a large scale melting mode for instance. Do we really want to find out if Antarctica will become ice free eventually at between 350ppm and 550ppm of CO2. What our government is doing in our name is reckless in the extreme.

What you're doing is tantamount to championing tobacco products. Only tobacco doesn't have a global reach in the way carbon dioxide pollution does.

damn straight

 

Redmonton_Rebel

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Significant, yeah sure. Biggest single element, no they aren't.

They are our biggest single contributor to human generated greenhouse gases and as production accelerates that will only go up.

Emitting billions of tons of carbon dioxide in the coming decades makes absolutely no sense unless you're sitting in the executive suite of a petroleum consortium...or get your instructions from them.
 

Tonington

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They are our biggest single contributor to human generated greenhouse gases and as production accelerates that will only go up.

Look it up, Table S-2, sectors as defined by the IPCC:
Environment Canada - Climate Change - National Inventory Report 1990-2010: Executive Summary

Well over two times as much greenhouse gases are emitted by electric production than by mining& oil and gas exploration. A little less than 2 times more for electric production than for fossil fuel production and refining.

Or, look at it from Canada's reporting, transportation produces more greenhouse gases than oil and gas.

As I said before, the science is clear. There is no need for you to burn any credibility by making claims that can easily be shown to be false.

Stick to the facts. Let others make fools of themselves. That's free advice.
 

CDNBear

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You have to love it when the AGW proponents can't agree, lol.

Go get'im Ton.

You have not. You are lying.
I'm sure you wish that was true.

You have highly developed the facility to not understand anything you read.
The fact that you don't understand that you have clearly, been proven wrong numerous times. Would indicate that your above statement is shear projection.
 

Redmonton_Rebel

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Look it up, Table S-2, sectors as defined by the IPCC:
Environment Canada - Climate Change - National Inventory Report 1990-2010: Executive Summary

Well over two times as much greenhouse gases are emitted by electric production than by mining& oil and gas exploration. A little less than 2 times more for electric production than for fossil fuel production and refining.

Or, look at it from Canada's reporting, transportation produces more greenhouse gases than oil and gas.

As I said before, the science is clear. There is no need for you to burn any credibility by making claims that can easily be shown to be false.

Stick to the facts. Let others make fools of themselves. That's free advice.

How does any of that change the fact that producing sythetic crude from the tar sands produces huge amounts of CO2 emissions and when the crude is refined and combusted it creates even more. There is no way for Canada to develope the oil sands and still be part of a global program to prevent the most damaging effects of climate change.

Instead of investing billions of dollars in creating a low carbon intensity economy, under Steven Harper and the Conservatives we're going full speed ahead on a high carbon intensity model and our government is basically lying about the eventual consequences or people like you are trying to soft-sell the problem.

We don't need to use fossil fuels, we're being forced into a continuing unsustainable economic system by relics of the past.

The tar sands are one of the largest remaining petroleum reserves on the planet and if converted, refined and eventually burned will put billions of tons of CO2 into the atmopshere. We already have too much to maintain stable climatic conditions and by uping the amount in the atmosphere we're only going to make the problem worse. No clever rationalizations can change this fact.
 
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captain morgan

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If there is a conspiracy, you are part of it. Why else would someone shill for the pushers?


Something tells me that there isn't enough tin-foil this side of hell to placate your conspiratorial fantasies... I hear that a big leaf of cabbage as a hat works well for stopping the gvt satellites from tracking your thoughts, maybe think about using both for now, at least until Mulcair gets in power, then everything will be OK
 

Kakato

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You have highly developed the facility to not understand anything you read.
I just dont believe everything I read.

Bingo.

There are so many negative aspects to oil sands development that aren't being addressed and at some point are almost certainly going to come back and cost us far more that the limited amount we get in compensation for allowing the exploitation of the tar sands.

It's like crack addicts trying to get todays fix not caring about tomorrows consequences.
Address them then,theres lots of peeps on here who work in the industry just waiting to debunk most any bit of mis information you post so what are you waiting for?

You like flossy have a hard on for Alberta,yet no matter what roadblock nutbars like you put in front of us and no matter how many permits we have to sign every day we will carry on drilling those wells,mining those oil deposits and laying pipe,You sure seem to not understand the resiliency of people working in the oil patch,it's a hard life,loudmouths with an agenda mean nothing to us,any added expenses are allways born by the consumer,so your doing a good job trying to help supposedly but are only hurting those that cant afford to see their gas bills go up.

Theres 5 huge companies here in Sask. on the radio every day crying for workers,were talking plus $500.00 a day jobs here,all in the oil patch.
 
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gerryh

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We have the technology to stop using the crap today but that tech is suppressed to keep the pushers rich and everybody else complacent.


Link to the technology and proof that it is being suppressed.
 

gerryh

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What I see on the first page is known existing tech that is not being suppressed at all. So from what I see, since you are unwilling to back up your statements, your trying to blow smoke up everyone's ass.
 

Cliffy

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What I see on the first page is known existing tech that is not being suppressed at all. So from what I see, since you are unwilling to back up your statements, your trying to blow smoke up everyone's ass.
I see over a million pages came up. If you are not willing to do the search, there is no point in talking to you.
 

Omicron

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For me the big one is we need it.
Did you know that if a Hollywood Drive porn scripter were to hear that, he would not be able to stop his mind from seeing someone on all fours begging the other to take off all rings and bracelette before the fisting?

*Sigh*

Speaking of "needing it", remember how when Stalin was starving out the Ukrainians in order to force collectivization, he always made sure there was plenty of vodka, because they-the-Ukranians and the Government-in-Moscow "needed it".

The Myth is us Canadians are so soft we need to keep relying on fossil fuels to survive no matter the long term consequences...
The myth is... that's a myth.

In fact, if Canadians had to, then in six months to a year they'd have Candu reactors built around the tar-sands to provide the heat to melt the tar to make it portable, which is not happening now because others are the boss because it's cheaper and makes more TSA profit to be selling it to others right now.

The only place Canadians are "soft" is it's easier to sell interests in development of Canadian resources to hungry people from New York and Chicago and then bug out to the Bahamas to be served by lovely babes in bikines than it is to be the boss and develop those resources before enjoying the treats.

Ownership of shares (via dividends) is how you get the payoff to be supported as an elder in American society, which is how Lucifer does not want shares to be owned by everyone because the only way he as a fungus gets to eat the most-longest of the last to die is to keep death hapening forever of stuff that HF does not want to keep alive... and I am so not going to tell you the theory of how non-infinite beings like Angels could happenstansily be so proud as to call it a victory while the Holy Ghost/Mother in heaven looks at it like another day that that evil piece of brain-retard dick-sucking piece of hyper-space fungus-**** gets frozen for 1000 years, so... let's see what humans do when they're educated, well informed, and not screwed up by constant brain-washing evil.

Realize that infinity is not a number... it's about relative size.

How smart are your cat, dog and tripical fish to each other?

How much have you noticed that the smarter the species, the easier it is to communicate with, such that they dummer it is, the hard it be to talk to?

You can communicate with your dog, and sort-of with yout cat, but the only thing you can do with your guppies is feed them. You think the dummer you are the more-and-easier it is for God to talk, when in fact maybe you are so dumb you can only talk to God's dogs-and-cats Saints.

Am I the only one to put himself into the mind of God at the point of meeting Moses? If it was me, given what it took to come up out of nothing to create and given the IQ of that dude, I think I would have raged too.

put another way what's going on could be analogous to burning candles in a sunken sub to play poker. You might have a good time but I'm guessing it's not going to end well when all the oxygen is gone. In the case of the oil sands there's going to be no way to avoid the severe affects of climate change if we emit billions of tons of carbon from oil sands production and using the end products.
Your sentiment is sentimentally felt, however (*sign*... where to begin)... Canada is lucky two ways:

1) Canada has enough uranium and has the most stable nuclear-reactor design (the Candu) that if the rest of the world were to drop off such that Canada had to maintain survival all by itself, it would be lucky in that it's one of two nations self-sufficient in all required elements such that it could if required and could generate electricity for generations before thinking about tapping into hydrocarbons, and...

2) If the rest of the world were to drop off such that Canada had to be self-sufficient, the guys in Toronto making lazy-game out of trading off Canadian resources to New York and Chicago instead of doing real work would in fact probably be able to do some real work if required, unlike traders in New York and Chicago.

What that will eventually mean is extreme weather like droughts and floods in increasing numbers and habitat change like has been going on in BC and Alaska with massive die-off of conifers as pests spread uncontrollably. It's now happening in Alberta.
Yup.

So... hmm... so many possibilities...

How about selling all the tar-hydrocarbons off to China because the US might actually get a brain and go solar by using Spanish technology to paper its south-west desert with solar-panels, then let China burn that tar instead of all the dirty coal they burn now, then before the UN blame China for global warming, and let Russia be the bad boy with the excuse to do what it's always wanted to do, which is nerve-gas China?

Hmm... nope, that wouldn't work with modern Ottawa politics, because it is currently believed that Ottawa believes God will bless those who help Armageddon to happen, which won't happen if Russia wipes out China ahead of time. Said Governmentites will feel depressed if not patted on the head for facilitating Armagedon like how Judas was definitely rewarded for kissing Jesus.

Also massive flooding is becoming the norm in the spring in central Canada and the US, get used to the Red and other rivers cresting their banks more often. Also rising sea levels is going to make owning property on our coasts a living hell in coming decades.
When climates change they go through periods of chaos before settling into the new heat-pattern.
So can we change, or are we as pathetic as the Conservatives keep trying to tell us we are by denying us honest information and repeatedly making attacks on our democratic system...Robo calls are just the latest installment on what is probably a long term plan for this country from the Conservative Party.
Some think the only long-term plan for this country is that Harper feels he will get his dick sucked by heavenly angels after sitting down onto a throan to be crowned for facilitating Armageddon...

... Like how retard-terrorists think it's a reward to be provided with 72 virgins in heaven with no notice of monkey-paw style luck where if you are such a slow learner that for you it takes 72 virgins then ... where to begin... you are so dumb it's going to take 72 virgins to teach you how to do it?... that eternity divided by 72 means you must wait infinity between them in order to make it last...

... etc...

And that's not even getting into the issue of who's guaranteeing the virgins are all female and heterosuxual. What if they're all nervous nuns?
I was talking to an old-timer here the other day who helped build the Al-Can highway during the war(he only had one good eye and couldn't get into the armed forces...and still regreted it) and he made me realize just how far we've come and how hard previous generations worked to get us here. Are we going to throw that away because the fear mongerers tell us we can't live without their control.

There are some seriously intelligent, resourceful, and creative people in this province and this country, unleashed I have no doubt they could turn the boat around in the space of a decade or less...if allowed.

So what do you think, will Canada overcome all the negative messages we're getting from the party currently in power about our abilities to adjust and triumph without destroying our amazing legacy...or will the forces of darkness(definitely in terms of how willing they are to share information) win out here?
Well, suppose you give the boys on Bay Street some way to make them feel like they'd achieved their objectives without it costing a selloff of resources in a way that the very annoying Russian (if you've ever tried to work with them) will not do, which is...

... hmm...

I've been to Montreal and I've seen how uber French-Canadians can think. Not even France has seen what they can do with science. Idiots don't notice that 80% of the chemical industry is around Montrael.

Make it a ... (how does one say "scientific objective" in Quebeque-French?)... development of isolation-tank technology so sophisticated that the-tragic-and-sad-rat he is gets turned on by feeling like he has taken over the world. Much cheeper than the cost they do to an economy if they get control like the Wall-Street heartless retards of New York 2008 (I bet you didn't know that those same cats who took the economy down were whining about why the government didn't regulate them until they heard they were going to get bailed out).

Seriously... you've seen what happens when they get control of Wall Street...

Why not just bring them up a bit different and use them against enemies?

For me the big one is we need it.
Did you know that if a Hollywood Drive porn scripter were to hear that, he would not be able to stop his mind from seeing someone on all fours begging the other to take off all rings and bracelette before the fisting?

... *Sigh* ...

Anyway... speaking of "needing it", remember how when Stalin was starving out the Ukrainians in order to force collectivization, he always made sure there was still plenty of vodka, because the "needed it".

The Myth is us Canadians are so soft we need to keep relying on fossil fuels to survive no matter the long term consequences...
The myth is... that's a myth.

In fact, if Canadians had to, then in six months to a year they'd have Candu reactors built around the tar-sands to provide the heat to melt the tar to make it portable, which is not happening now because others are the boss because it's cheaper and makes more TSA profit to be selling out to those others right now.

The only place Canadians are "soft" is it's easier to sell interests in development of Canadian resources to hungry people from New York and Chicago and then bug out to the Bahamas to be served by lovely babes in bikines than it is to be the boss and develop those resources oneself before enjoying the treats.

put another way what's going on could be analogous to burning candles in a sunken sub to play poker. You might have a good time but I'm guessing it's not going to end well when all the oxygen is gone. In the case of the oil sands there's going to be no way to avoid the severe affects of climate change if we emit billions of tons of carbon from oil sands production and using the end products.
Your sentiment is sentimentally felt, however (*sign*... where to begin)... Canada is lucky two ways:

1) Canada has enough uranium and has the most stable nuclear-reactor design (the Candu) that if the rest of the world were to drop off such that Canada had to maintain survival all by itself, it would be lucky in that it's one of two nations self-sufficient in all required elements such that it could if required and could generate electricity for generations before thinking about tapping into hydrocarbons, and...

2) If the rest of the world were to drop off such that Canada had to be self-sufficient, the guys in Toronto making lazy-game out of trading off Canadian resources to New York and Chicago instead of doing real work would in fact probably be able to do some real work if required, unlike traders in New York and Chicago.

What that will eventually mean is extreme weather like droughts and floods in increasing numbers and habitat change like has been going on in BC and Alaska with massive die-off of conifers as pests spread uncontrollably. It's now happening in Alberta.
Yup.

So... hmm... so many possibilities...

How about selling all the tar-hydrocarbons off to China because the US might actually get a brain and go solar by using Spanish technology to paper its south-west desert with solar-panels, then let China burn that tar instead of all the dirty coal they burn now, then before the UN blame China for global warming, and let Russia be the bad boy with the excuse to do what it's always wanted to do, which is nerve-gas China?

Hmm... nope, that wouldn't work with modern Ottawa politics, because according to behavior it is currently felt that Ottawa believes God will bless those who help Armageddon to happen, which won't happen if Russia wipes out China ahead of time. Said Governmentites will feel depressed if not patted on the head for facilitating Armagedon like how Judas was definitely rewarded for kissing Jesus.

Also massive flooding is becoming the norm in the spring in central Canada and the US, get used to the Red and other rivers cresting their banks more often. Also rising sea levels is going to make owning property on our coasts a living hell in coming decades.
When climates change they go through periods of chaos before settling into the new heat-pattern.
So can we change, or are we as pathetic as the Conservatives keep trying to tell us we are by denying us honest information and repeatedly making attacks on our democratic system...Robo calls are just the latest installment on what is probably a long term plan for this country from the Conservative Party.
According to behavior the only long-term plan for this country according to observationalists is that Harper might wishfully think he's going to get his dick sucked in heaven by angels after sitting down onto a throan to be crowned for facilitating Armageddon, when in fact if he actually prayed and asked Gabriel et al how they felt about war, they'd be happy to see him put into a sensory-deprivation tanks and fed the hallucination of having achieved all his objectives.

... Like how retard-terrorists think it's a reward to be provided with 72 virgins in heaven with no notice of monkey-paw style luck where if one is such a slow learner it takes 72 virgins to get it ... where to begin... one is so dumb it takes 72 virgins to go wild?... that eternity divided by 72 means one must wait infinity between each in order to make it last forever?

Does that society offer presentation to warriors as some sort of spiritual statement to women?

Dumb.

You tell the warrior he's got 72 virgins to get it right, and the more left when he's got the women totally going wild at the same time he's having the best time, the better the blessing of Allah.


And that's not even getting into the issue of who's guaranteeing the virgins are all female and heterosuxual. What if they're all nervous nuns?
I was talking to an old-timer here the other day who helped build the Al-Can highway during the war(he only had one good eye and couldn't get into the armed forces...and still regreted it) and he made me realize just how far we've come and how hard previous generations worked to get us here. Are we going to throw that away because the fear mongerers tell us we can't live without their control.

There are some seriously intelligent, resourceful, and creative people in this province and this country, unleashed I have no doubt they could turn the boat around in the space of a decade or less...if allowed.

So what do you think, will Canada overcome all the negative messages we're getting from the party currently in power about our abilities to adjust and triumph without destroying our amazing legacy...or will the forces of darkness(definitely in terms of how willing they are to share information) win out here?
Well, suppose you give the boys on Bay Street some way to make them feel like they'd achieved their objectives without it costing a selloff of resources in a way that the very annoying Russian (if you've ever tried to work with them) will not do, which is...

... hmm...

I've been to Montreal and I've seen how uber French-Canadians can think. Not even France has seen what they can do with science. Idiots don't notice that 80% of the chemical industry is around Montrael.

Make it a ... (how does one say "scientific objective" in Quebeque-French?)... development of isolation-tank technology so sophisticated that the-tragic-and-sad-rat he is gets turned on by feeling like he has taken over the world. Much cheeper than the cost they do to an economy if they get control like the Wall-Street heartless retards of New York 2008 (I bet you didn't know that those same cats who took the economy down were whining about why the government didn't regulate them until they heard they were going to get bailed out).

Seriously... you've seen what happens when they get control of Wall Street...

Why not just bring them up a bit different and use them against enemies?

For me the big one is we need it.
Did you know that if a Hollywood Drive porn scripter were to hear that, he would not be able to stop his mind from seeing someone on all fours begging the other to take off all rings and bracelette before the fisting?

... *Sigh* ...

Anyway... speaking of "needing it", remember how when Stalin was starving out the Ukrainians in order to force collectivization, he always made sure there was still plenty of vodka, because the "needed it".

The Myth is us Canadians are so soft we need to keep relying on fossil fuels to survive no matter the long term consequences...
The myth is... that's a myth.

In fact, if Canadians had to, then in six months to a year they'd have Candu reactors built around the tar-sands to provide the heat to melt the tar to make it portable, which is not happening now because others are the boss because it's cheaper and makes more TSA profit to be selling out to those others right now.

The only place Canadians are "soft" is it's easier to sell interests in development of Canadian resources to hungry people from New York and Chicago and then bug out to the Bahamas to be served by lovely babes in bikines than it is to be the boss and develop those resources oneself before enjoying the treats.

put another way what's going on could be analogous to burning candles in a sunken sub to play poker. You might have a good time but I'm guessing it's not going to end well when all the oxygen is gone. In the case of the oil sands there's going to be no way to avoid the severe affects of climate change if we emit billions of tons of carbon from oil sands production and using the end products.
Your sentiment is sentimentally felt, however (*sign*... where to begin)... Canada is lucky two ways:

1) Canada has enough uranium and has the most stable nuclear-reactor design (the Candu) that if the rest of the world were to drop off such that Canada had to maintain survival all by itself, it would be lucky in that it's one of two nations self-sufficient in all required elements such that it could if required and could generate electricity for generations before thinking about tapping into hydrocarbons, and...

2) If the rest of the world were to drop off such that Canada had to be self-sufficient, the guys in Toronto making lazy-game out of trading off Canadian resources to New York and Chicago instead of doing real work would in fact probably be able to do some real work if required, unlike traders in New York and Chicago.

What that will eventually mean is extreme weather like droughts and floods in increasing numbers and habitat change like has been going on in BC and Alaska with massive die-off of conifers as pests spread uncontrollably. It's now happening in Alberta.
Yup.

So... hmm... so many possibilities...

How about selling all the tar-hydrocarbons off to China because the US might actually get a brain and go solar by using Spanish technology to paper its south-west desert with solar-panels, then let China burn that tar instead of all the dirty coal they burn now, then before the UN blame China for global warming, and let Russia be the bad boy with the excuse to do what it's always wanted to do, which is nerve-gas China?

Hmm... nope, that wouldn't work with modern Ottawa politics, because it is currently believed that Ottawa believes God will bless those who help Armageddon to happen, which won't happen if Russia wipes out China ahead of time. Said Governmentites will feel depressed if not patted on the head for facilitating Armagedon like how Judas was definitely rewarded for kissing Jesus.

Also massive flooding is becoming the norm in the spring in central Canada and the US, get used to the Red and other rivers cresting their banks more often. Also rising sea levels is going to make owning property on our coasts a living hell in coming decades.
When climates change they go through periods of chaos before settling into the new heat-pattern.
So can we change, or are we as pathetic as the Conservatives keep trying to tell us we are by denying us honest information and repeatedly making attacks on our democratic system...Robo calls are just the latest installment on what is probably a long term plan for this country from the Conservative Party.
The only long-term plan for this country is that Harper might think he's going to get his dick sucked in heaven by angels after sitting down onto a throan to be crowned for facilitating Armageddon...

... Like how retard-terrorists think it's a reward to be provided with 72 virgins in heaven with no notice of monkey-paw style luck where if you are such a slow learner that for you it takes 72 virgins then ... where to begin... you are so dumb it's going to take 72 virgins to teach you how to really get into it so you're both totally going wild... that eternity divided by 72 means you must wait infinity between them in order to make it last...

... etc...

And that's not even getting into the issue of who's guaranteeing the virgins are all female and heterosuxual. What if they're all nervous nuns?
I was talking to an old-timer here the other day who helped build the Al-Can highway during the war(he only had one good eye and couldn't get into the armed forces...and still regreted it) and he made me realize just how far we've come and how hard previous generations worked to get us here. Are we going to throw that away because the fear mongerers tell us we can't live without their control.

There are some seriously intelligent, resourceful, and creative people in this province and this country, unleashed I have no doubt they could turn the boat around in the space of a decade or less...if allowed.

So what do you think, will Canada overcome all the negative messages we're getting from the party currently in power about our abilities to adjust and triumph without destroying our amazing legacy...or will the forces of darkness(definitely in terms of how willing they are to share information) win out here?
Well, suppose you give the boys on Bay Street some way to make them feel like they'd achieved their objectives without it costing a selloff of resources in a way that the very annoying Russian (if you've ever tried to work with them) will not do, which is...

... hmm...

I've been to Montreal and I've seen how uber French-Canadians can think. Not even France has seen what they can do with science. Idiots don't notice that 80% of the chemical industry is around Montrael.

Make it a ... (how does one say "scientific objective" in Quebeque-French?)... development of isolation-tank technology so sophisticated that the-tragic-and-sad-rat he is gets turned on by feeling like he has taken over the world. Much cheeper than the cost they do to an economy if they get control like the Wall-Street heartless retards of New York 2008 (I bet you didn't know that those same cats who took the economy down were whining about why the government didn't regulate them until they heard they were going to get bailed out).

Seriously... you've seen what happens when they get control of Wall Street...

Why not just bring them up a bit different and use them against enemies?
 
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I wasn't aware you could build a candu reactor in a year, that's awesome.
After France bought the Westinghouse design which they base their nation's current supply of nuclear-derived electricity from, they were turning them on at the rate of one every six weeks, resulting in a rather large phalanx of seasoned vets trading industrial tips and know-how with each other on how to keep the things going, which is amazing given how those things are cooled with liquid sodium.