Canada adds a surprise 58,200 jobs in April

[Cabbagesandking]

The IPCC does not use Greenpeace. It uses, as I wrote, only peer reviewed scientific papers. It cites Greenpeace and many other credible sources in the impacts and other sections.

That has nothing to do with the science.

None of the IPCC staff have any connection with activist organisations. 30% of the staff would be three people. Three clerks, btw. IPCC staff is too busy working to have any time for activism or inactivism.

 

[DaSleeper]

Gate du Jour – Now it’s Greenpeace reports in the IPCC AR4 | Watts Up With That?

The IPCC and Greenpeace: Renewable outrage | The Economist

 

[taxslave]

I'm pretty sure when I was working in Sayward in 1970 a friend of mine who drove logging truck for M & B was earning $4.45 an hour, have no idea what they earn today. $30?

$28 and up Usually 11Hr+ days

First, though it was not you who said it, I know very well what I am talking about. And there are many studies to support that. It is not a question of what works in Sweden. It could not work here at this time because of the low Union participation and the active anti-union position of government.

Does it have to be explained that, when comparing income levels, constant dollars are the currency?

Minimum wage in every Canadian jurisdiction is less than 80% of what it was in 1977. There are tables to show that. Tables that I have looked to a number of times in the past.

Non Union manufacturer's pay as much because of what Unions have won. And you, and every one on the forum are the beneficiaries of that. And that is what is being taken away from you - or from mos - as real incomes have started to decline.How can Union rules be making us uncompetitive in World markets when most potential markets other than the US have far more unionisation than Canada?

There are no "ultra high" taxes in Canada. Canada is in the lower half of OECD nations in its tax levels.

Environmental laws with no basis in reality! Are you the reincarnation of a 19th. century coal merchant?

Sorry but you have absolutely zero clue about which you spew. If you had ever been out of the city you would know better.
Minimum wage has gone UP not down.

 

[CDNBear]

The IPCC does not use Greenpeace. It uses, as I wrote, only peer reviewed scientific papers. It cites Greenpeace and many other credible sources in the impacts and other sections.

That has nothing to do with the science.

None of the IPCC staff have any connection with activist organisations. 30% of the staff would be three people. Three clerks, btw. IPCC staff is too busy working to have any time for activism or inactivism.

Gate du Jour – Now it’s Greenpeace reports in the IPCC AR4 | Watts Up With That?

The IPCC and Greenpeace: Renewable outrage | The Economist

Oh oh!

 

[DaSleeper]

If only he didn't post so much

 

[petros]

The IPCC does not use Greenpeace. It uses, as I wrote, only peer reviewed scientific papers. It cites Greenpeace and many other credible sources in the impacts and other sections.

That has nothing to do with the science.

None of the IPCC staff have any connection with activist organisations. 30% of the staff would be three people. Three clerks, btw. IPCC staff is too busy working to have any time for activism or inactivism.

Fourth Assessment Report

World Wildlife Fund citations

Allianz and World Wildlife Fund, 2006: Climate change and the financial sector: an agenda for action, 59 pp. [Accessed 03.05.07: WWF UK - Conservation, climate change, sustainability filelibrary/pdf/allianz_rep_0605.pdf]
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Austin, G., A. Williams, G. Morris, R. Spalding-Feche, and R. Worthington, 2003: Employment potential of renewable energy in South Africa. Earthlife Africa, Johannesburg and World Wildlife Fund (WWF), Denmark, November, 104 pp.
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Baker, T., 2005: Vulnerability Assessment of the North-East Atlantic Shelf Marine Ecoregion to Climate Change, Workshop Project Report, WWF, Godalming, Surrey, 79 pp.
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Coleman, T., O. Hoegh-Guldberg, D. Karoly, I. Lowe, T. McMichael, C.D. Mitchell, G.I. Pearman, P. Scaife and J. Reynolds, 2004: Climate Change: Solutions for Australia. Australian Climate Group, 35 pp. American Content's Freeware Download Site.wwf.org.au/ publications/acg_solutions.pdf
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Dlugolecki, A. and S. Lafeld, 2005: Climate change – agenda for action: the financial sector’s perspective. Allianz Group and WWF, Munich [may be the same document as "Allianz" above, except that one is dated 2006 and the other 2005]
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Fritsche, U.R., K. Hünecke, A. Hermann, F. Schulze, and K. Wiegmann, 2006: Sustainability standards for bioenergy. Öko-Institut e.V., Darmstadt, WWF Germany, Frankfurt am Main, November
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Giannakopoulos, C., M. Bindi, M. Moriondo, P. LeSager and T. Tin, 2005: Climate Change Impacts in the Mediterranean Resulting from a 2oC Global Temperature Rise. WWF report, Gland Switzerland. Accessed 01.10.2006 at http://assets.panda.org/downloads/me...nal8july05.pdf.
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Hansen, L.J., J.L. Biringer and J.R. Hoffmann, 2003: Buying Time: A User’s Manual for Building Resistance and Resilience to Climate Change in Natural Systems. WWF Climate Change Program, Berlin, 246 pp.
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WWF - Oops! we can't find the page you are looking for...wwf/what_we_do/climate_change/our_solutions/business_industry/climate_savers/ index.cfm
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Lechtenbohmer, S., V. Grimm, D. Mitze, S. Thomas, M. Wissner, 2005: Target 2020: Policies and measures to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in the EU. WWF European Policy Office, Wuppertal
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Malcolm, J.R., C. Liu, L. Miller, T. Allnut and L. Hansen, Eds., 2002a: Habitats at Risk: Global Warming and Species Loss in Globally Significant Terrestrial Ecosystems. WWF World Wide Fund for Nature, Gland, 40 pp.
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Rowell, A. and P.F. Moore, 2000: Global Review of Forest Fires. WWF/IUCN, Gland, Switzerland, 66 pp. http://www.iucn.org/themes/fcp/publications /files/global_review_forest_fires.pdf
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WWF, 2004: Deforestation threatens the cradle of reef diversity. World Wide Fund for Nature, 2 December 2004. Welcome to WWF's global network
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WWF, 2004: Living Planet Report 2004. WWF- World Wide Fund for Nature (formerly World Wildlife Fund), Gland, Switzerland, 44 pp.
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Zarsky, L. and K. Gallagher, 2003: Searching for the Holy Grail? Making FDI Work for Sustainable Development. Analytical Paper, World Wildlife Fund (WWF), Switzerland
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This is the famously inaccurate citation about the Himalayan glaciers:

WWF (World Wildlife Fund), 2005: An overview of glaciers, glacier retreat, and subsequent impacts in Nepal, India and China. World Wildlife Fund, Nepal Programme, 79 pp.
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Greenpeace citations

Aringhoff, R., C. Aubrey, G. Brakmann, and S. Teske, 2003: Solar thermal power 2020, Greenpeace International/European Solar Thermal Power Industry Association, Netherlands
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ESTIA, 2004: Exploiting the heat from the sun to combat climate change. European Solar Thermal Industry Association and Greenpeace, Solar Thermal Power 2020, UK
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Greenpeace, 2004: Greenpeace Argentina | Greenpeace Argentina accessed 05/06/07
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Greenpeace, 2006: Solar generation. K. McDonald (ed.), Greenpeace International, Amsterdam
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GWEC, 2006: Global wind energy outlook. Global Wind Energy Council, Bruxelles and Greenpeace, Amsterdam, September, 56 pp., accessed 05/06/07
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Hoegh-Guldberg, O., H. Hoegh-Guldberg, H. Cesar and A. Timmerman, 2000: Pacific in peril: biological, economic and social impacts of climate change on Pacific coral reefs. Greenpeace, 72 pp.
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Lazarus, M., L. Greber, J. Hall, C. Bartels, S. Bernow, E. Hansen, P. Raskin, and D. Von Hippel, 1993: Towards a fossil free energy future: the next energy transition. Stockholm Environment Institute, Boston Center, Boston. Greenpeace International, Amsterdam.
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Wind Force 12, 2005: Global Wind Energy Council and Greenpeace, Global Wind Energy Council - GWEC: GWEC publications, accessed 03/07/07
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Other questionable citations

Citing a magazine:

Bowen, N., 2002: Canary in a coalmine. Climbing News, 208, 90-97, 138-139.
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Citing a student's dissertation:

Schwörer, D.A., 1997: Bergführer und Klimaänderung: eine Untersuchung im Berninagebiet über mögliche Auswirkungen einer Klimaänderung auf den Bergführerberuf (Mountain guides and climate change: an inquiry into possible effects of climatic change on the mountain guide trade in the Bernina region, Switzerland). Diplomarbeit der philosophisch-naturwissenschaftlichen Fakultät der Universität Bern.
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Citing other Masters students:

Shibru, M., 2001: Pastoralism and cattle marketing: a case study of the Borana of southern Ethiopia, Unpublished Masters Thesis, Egerton University.
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Wahab, H.M., 2005: The impact of geographical information system on environmental development, unpublished MSc Thesis, Faculty of Agriculture, Al-Azhar University, Cairo, 148 pp.
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Gray, K.N., 1999: The impacts of drought on Yakima Valley irrigated agriculture and Seattle municipal and industrial water supply. Masters Thesis, University of Washington, Seattle, Washington, 102 pp.
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Bohm, M.C., 2006: Capture-ready power plants - Options, technologies and economics, MSc Thesis, MIT. , accessed 05/06/07.
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Duncan, A., 2005: Solar building developments. Master Applied Science thesis, Massey University Library, Palmerston North, New Zealand.
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Sekar, R.S., 2005: Carbon dioxide capture from coal-fired power plants: a real options analysis. MSc Thesis, MIT. accessed 02/07/07.
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Banda, A., 2002: Electricity production from sugar industries in Africa: A case study of South Africa. M.Sc thesis, University of Cape Town, South Africa.
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Kaartinen, T., 2004: Sustainable disposal of residual fractions of MSW to future landfills. M.S. Thesis, Technical University of Helsinki, Espoo, Finland. In Finnish.
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Citing a boot and clothing de-contamination guide for Antarctic tour operators:

IAATO, 2005: Update on boot and clothing decontamination guidelines and the introduction and detection of diseases in Antarctic wildlife: IAATO’s perspective. Paper submitted by the International Association of Antarctica Tour Operators (IAATO) to the Antarctic Treaty Consultative Meeting (ATCM) XXVIII. IAATO, 10 pp. Guidelines and Resources - IAATO.
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Third Assessment report

World Wildlife Fund citations

Malcolm, J.R. and A. Markham, 2000: Global Warming and Terrestrial Biodiversity Decline. World Wildlife Fund, Gland, Switzerland, 34 pp
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Arntzen, J. and S. Ringrose, 1996: Changes in rangelands. In: Climate Change and Southern Africa: An Exploration of Some Potential Impacts and Implications in the SADC Region [Hulme, M. (ed.)]. Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, Norwich, United Kingdom and World Wildlife Fund International
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McNeely, J., K. Miller, W. Reid, and T. Werner, 1990: Conserving the World's Biological Diversity. World Resources Institute, IUCN, Conservation International, World Wildlife Fund, Gland, Switzerland, and World Bank, Washington, DC, USA, 193 pp.
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Rogers, D., 1996: Changes in disease vectors. In: Climate Change and Southern Africa: An Exploration of Some Potential Impacts and Implications in the SADC Region [Hulme, M. (ed.)]. Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, Norwich, United Kingdom, and World Wildlife Fund International, Gland, Switzerland.
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EEPSEA, 2000: The Indonesian Fires and Haze of 1997: The Economic Toll and the World Wide Fund for Nature. Economy and Environment Program for SE Asia, World Wildlife Fund, International Development Research Centre, Ottawa, Canada, 9 pp. Available via e-mail at info@idrc.ca.
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Barber, C.V. and J. Schweithelm, 2000: Trial by Fire: Forest Fire and Forestry Policy in Indonesia's Era of Crisis and Reform. World Resource Institute, Forest Frontiers, World Wide Fund for Nature(WWF)-Indonesia, Telapak Indonesia Foundation, 448 pp.
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Whetton, P.H., 1999: Comment on the 1999 Climate Change Scenarios for Australia. United Kingdom Climatic Research Unit and World Wildlife Fund, Climate Impact Team, CSIRO Atmospheric Research, Collingwood, Victoria, Australia, 3
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Freese, C.H., 2000: The Consumptive Use of Wild Species in the Arctic: Challenges and Opportunities for Ecological Sustainability. Report submitted to World Wildlife Fund, Arctic Programme, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, 145 pp.
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Helmer, W.P., P. Vellinga, G. Litjens, H. Goosen, E. Ruijgrok, and W. Overmars, 1996: Growing with the Sea—Creating a Resilient Coastline. World Wildlife Fund for Nature, Zeist, The Netherlands, 39 pp.
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IUCN, WWF and UNEP, 1980: World Conservation Strategy. International Union for the Conservation of Nature, Geneva and UNEP, Nairobi.
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WWF (World Wildlife Fund), 1996: Sustainable Energy Technology in the South. A Report to WWF by Institute of Environmental Studies, Amsterdam, The Netherlands, and Tata Energy Research Institute, New Delhi, India.
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Bernow, S., K. Cory, W. Dougherty, M. Duckworth, S. Kartha, and M. Ruth, 1999: America’s Global Warming Solutions. Worldwildlife Fund, Washington, DC.
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Greenpeace citations

Radford, D., R. Blong, A.M. d'Aubert, I. Kuhnel, and P. Nunn, 1996: Occurence of Tropical Cyclones in the Southwest Pacific Region 1920-1994. Greenpeace International, Amsterdam, The Netherlands, 35 pp.
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Gibson, M.A. and S.A. Schullinger, 1998: Answers from the Ice Edge: The Consequences of Climate Change on Life in the Bering and Chukchi Seas. Greenpeace Arctic Network, Anchorage, AK, USA, pp. 32.
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Hoegh-Guldberg, O., 1999: Climate Change, Coral Bleaching and the Future of the World's Coral Reefs. Greenpeace International, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia, 27 pp.
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Greenpeace, 1999: Wind Force 10: a blueprint to achieve 10% of the world’s electricity from wind power by 2020. Greenpeace and European Wind Energy Association Report, Greenpeace, Amsterdam, The Netherlands.
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[JLM]

Sorry but you have absolutely zero clue about which you spew.

I'm thinking (hoping) what he is referring to is actual buying power.

 

[taxslave]

The IPCC does not use Greenpeace. It uses, as I wrote, only peer reviewed scientific papers. It cites Greenpeace and many other credible sources in the impacts and other sections.

That has nothing to do with the science.

None of the IPCC staff have any connection with activist organisations. 30% of the staff would be three people. Three clerks, btw. IPCC staff is too busy working to have any time for activism or inactivism.

Greenpeace a creditable source?
You understand of course that peer means equal as in like minded?

I'm thinking (hoping) what he is referring to is actual buying power.

Possible but that is not what he wrote.
I know that percentage wise minimum wage has risen far more than trades wages.

 

[JLM]

Greenpeace a creditable source?
You understand of course that peer means equal as in like minded?



Possible but that is not what he wrote.
I know that percentage wise minimum wage has risen far more than trades wages.

I don't recall when it was "minimum wage" was established, but about 1956 I was earning 35 cents an hour digging fence post holes! I think during the 60s a buck an hour was generally recognized as being minimum although certainly nothing official at that time.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

Minimum wage is less than 80% of what it was in 1977. That is not arguable. If you want you could look to Statscan for confirmation. And, of course, it is in constant dollars. I did not think it was necessary to state that. Did youthink I was talking of doubloons?

And it has not risen at all never mind more than trade wages. What do you think Unions were for?

There is nothing from Greenpeace in the IPCC science reports. Or any other of the bibliography. There is more than one section to the reports and the science report, TAR 1, is a compilation of only the peer reviewed science publications and their explanations. Actually, there may be some there in the science section. I did not bother to check that since it is entirely inconsequential. If there are, they will be peer reviewed papers commissioned by Greenpeace or the WWF (which has had some done) from creditable scientists.

Nothing more. Posting something by Watts shows only how uninformed the poster is. That sleazebag has no scientific credentials and his blog is merely an outlet for misrepresentation and outright lies. There is nothing in it by any scientist. Just a few quacks who are in it for the money.

 

[MHz]

How many are prison guards.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

Peer does not mean equal as in like minded. It has no connection with mind. Peer means in its general sense, equal in social status; possibly similar in education and a few social attributes.

In science, it means review by those of similar educational and professional standard. But, they may be of a very different mind.

 

[gerryh]

Minimum wage is less than 80% of what it was in 1977. That is not arguable. If you want you could look to Statscan for confirmation. And, of course, it is in constant dollars. I did not think it was necessary to state that. Did youthink I was talking of doubloons?

And it has not risen at all never mind more than trade wages. What do you think Unions were for?

There is nothing from Greenpeace in the IPCC science reports. Or any other of the bibliography. There is more than one section to the reports and the science report, TAR 1, is a compilation of only the peer reviewed science publications and their explanations. Actually, there may be some there in the science section. I did not bother to check that since it is entirely inconsequential. If there are, they will be peer reviewed papers commissioned by Greenpeace or the WWF (which has had some done) from creditable scientists.

Nothing more. Posting something by Watts shows only how uninformed the poster is. That sleazebag has no scientific credentials and his blog is merely an outlet for misrepresentation and outright lies. There is nothing in it by any scientist. Just a few quacks who are in it for the money.

Just for fun, and for something completely different, how about you supply a link to back up what you are saying.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

To back up what?

 

[Machjo]

Minimum wage is less than 80% of what it was in 1977. That is not arguable. If you want you could look to Statscan for confirmation. And, of course, it is in constant dollars. I did not think it was necessary to state that. Did youthink I was talking of doubloons?

And it has not risen at all never mind more than trade wages. What do you think Unions were for?

There is nothing from Greenpeace in the IPCC science reports. Or any other of the bibliography. There is more than one section to the reports and the science report, TAR 1, is a compilation of only the peer reviewed science publications and their explanations. Actually, there may be some there in the science section. I did not bother to check that since it is entirely inconsequential. If there are, they will be peer reviewed papers commissioned by Greenpeace or the WWF (which has had some done) from creditable scientists.

Nothing more. Posting something by Watts shows only how uninformed the poster is. That sleazebag has no scientific credentials and his blog is merely an outlet for misrepresentation and outright lies. There is nothing in it by any scientist. Just a few quacks who are in it for the money.

So what's your proposal? Raise the minimum wage and legislate unskilled workers out of the market, or provide training for the unemployed to raise thei job opportunities? Which would you prefer?

 

[Cabbagesandking]

You seem to know something about economics. That makes me think that you are not entirely serious. We have already agreed that the Swedish model is a good one but, I have said that it will not work here for cultural and political reasons as well as the reality that Unions do not have the strength and, therefore, the bargaining power to do that.

Your choice is, in my opinion, not valid. Minimum wages have been shown to increase employment in certain economic structures; to decrease it in others. That is taken care of in more socially responsible countries by the social assistance systems.

The result is better standards for the lower income groups. And, in my view, a better chance of avoiding serious social disorder that is inevitable in North America in the not too distant future.

 

[CDNBear]

Minimum wage is less than 80% of what it was in 1977. That is not arguable.

Yes it is. Post a link to support your claims please.

What do you think Unions were for?

To create an organization mobsters could launder their money through, and get paid to do it.

There is nothing from Greenpeace in the IPCC science reports.

Not according to all the evidence that has been provided.

Actually, there may be some there in the science section.

Oh oh, I like it when you back pedal, it's so much fun to watch.

I did not bother to check that since it is entirely inconsequential.

Except for proving you don't know what you're talking about.

If there are, they will be peer reviewed papers commissioned by Greenpeace or the WWF (which has had some done) from creditable scientists.

Ooohhh. OK.

Nothing more. Posting something by Watts shows only how uninformed the poster is. That sleazebag has no scientific credentials and his blog is merely an outlet for misrepresentation and outright lies. There is nothing in it by any scientist. Just a few quacks who are in it for the money.

And Watts still beats you hands down.

 

[Cabbagesandking]

When you post some substance instead of your one line opinions, I might give some attention.

 

[petros]

I still want to know what a climate scientist is.

 

[DaSleeper]

When you post some substance instead of your one line opinions, I might give some attention.