Canada adds a surprise 58,200 jobs in April

JLM

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Why? Because we're too incompetent to actually produce anything?



What does frustrate me about the Ontario government is that instead of finding a workaround for the high dollar it just blames the resource sector.

Same with Mulcair. I agree with him when he talks about the Dutch disease, but instead of just complaining about it, why not propose solutions such as removing minimum wage legislation, training programmes for the unemployed, etc.

Poor old Mulcair, he's so convinced he's on the cusp of being Prime Minister, he's in danger of having an orgasm. One day he'll wake up and find out it's just a wet dream! :lol:
 

Kakato

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I was cleaning house today and found a 2006 issue of macleans magazine,on the cover it says BOOM-I-LICIOUS!
Get over it Toronto.Calgary is the new centre of the universe.And the partys just getting started.



How true!
 

Machjo

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Producing takes resources,we have them and are experts at exploiting them and creating jobs,I have worked in many exploration camps with 40 guys drilling where ya had to **** in a pail and now they are full blown mines providing hundreds of local jobs and thousands of spin off jobs.We dont exploit them someone else will.

I'm not against resource exploitation per se as long as it's sustainable over the long term.
 

Kakato

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I'm not against resource exploitation per se as long as it's sustainable over the long term.
Sustainable? We havent even scratched the surface of good ol mother earth yet but we are bombarding it and useing complex scientific instruments to find what she has to offer and in Canada it's lots,more then most could imagine.Last 4 years I was in 4 exploration camps that are now full blown producing gold mines.Thats about 30 years exploration to just get to that point and theres hundreds of exploration camps just like those 4 that are waiting to become producers and they will,the plans have been in the works for years,just something we dont tell the public.Inukshuk from the meadowbank gold mine is pure gold worth 1.7 million dollars.



 

Ron in Regina

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Sustainable? We havent even scratched the surface of good ol mother earth yet but we are bombarding it and useing complex scientific instruments to find what she has to offer and in Canada it's lots,more then most could imagine.Last 4 years I was in 4 exploration camps that are now full blown producing gold mines.Thats about 30 years exploration to just get to that point and theres hundreds of exploration camps just like those 4 that are waiting to become producers and they will,the plans have been in the works for years,just something we dont tell the public.

Uh-oh....What's the First Rule about "Exploration Club?"

The First Rule of Fight Club is........ - YouTube
 

Cabbagesandking

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Minimum wages in every jurisdiction in Canada are more than 20% lower already than they were 35 years ago. Wages for more than half the population are no better and for many worse than they were at that time. How does that help the economy?

How does the "greater" purchasing power help anything except overseas travel and imports? Travel that is becoming available to fewer people because of their reduced incomes and imports are only available for as long as you can pay for them.

There is no solution that the government of Ontario can introduce. Resource extraction has priced Ontario's manufactures out of world markets. It is also driving Canada back to the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries in its economic sophistication. The next commodity fall will mean economic disaster for Canada.
 

Kakato

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Minimum wages in every jurisdiction in Canada are more than 20% lower already than they were 35 years ago. Wages for more than half the population are no better and for many worse than they were at that time. How does that help the economy?

How does the "greater" purchasing power help anything except overseas travel and imports? Travel that is becoming available to fewer people because of their reduced incomes and imports are only available for as long as you can pay for them.

There is no solution that the government of Ontario can introduce. Resource extraction has priced Ontario's manufactures out of world markets. It is also driving Canada back to the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries in its economic sophistication. The next commodity fall will mean economic disaster for Canada.
I dont think so,natural gas is at an all time low for many years and you dont see an economic disaster for Alberta which has mostly exported more gas then oil.You want to see 19th century then you would have to go visit some of the arctic communities before they had mines as a tax base,now that was 19th century.Canadians are the best of the best when it comes to resource extraction no matter what the resource,we are experts in this field.
 

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Resource extraction has priced Ontario's manufactures out of world markets.
Ya, I keep hearing that from the left leaning talking heads in Ottawa and their parrots.

I wonder what impact union wages have had on manufacturing jobs in Ontario?

Or how about a weakened American dollar?
 

Kakato

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Ya, I keep hearing that from the left leaning talking heads in Ottawa and their parrots.

I wonder what impact union wages have had on manufacturing jobs in Ontario?

Or how about a weakened American dollar?
Funny but the two major(pun) Drill outfits we use for exploration are drilling in every province but Ontario.

Anyone who has been in the territories will have noticed a very heavy french influence,they have owned and explored the arctic for over 40 years,not many peeps realize that.
 

Cabbagesandking

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Ya, I keep hearing that from the left leaning talking heads in Ottawa and their parrots.

I wonder what impact union wages have had on manufacturing jobs in Ontario?

Or how about a weakened American dollar?
What you keep hearing it from is every responsible economist. Only a few Right Wing "Think Tank" denizens say differently. There is noit the slightest doubt of its factual base.

And what effect do you think that "union wages" have had on Ontario other than the sane that they have had everywhere. They have had the effect of giving the nation a high standard of living and freedom from poverty for most - probably including you and yours. A standard that has been declining relative to the world since the "Right Wing" seized political control in Canada and much of the Westernworld thirty+ years ago. Poverty that has been increasing since that time.

"What about a weakened American dollar." Is that not what it is about. Resource extraction is all that has kept Canada's dollar from weakening in tandem with the American. And that is why America no longer buys Ontario's manufactures.
 

lone wolf

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Funny but the two major(pun) Drill outfits we use for exploration are drilling in every province but Ontario.

Anyone who has been in the territories will have noticed a very heavy french influence,they have owned and explored the arctic for over 40 years,not many peeps realize that.
Gee SOMEONE found the Ring of Fire
 

Kakato

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Ontario teachers pension fund,that union bought a mine in the elk valley coal fields in B.C. gloryholed the pit and took a 25 year mine plan down to a 5 year mine plan which resulted in thousands of jobs lost for a good 20 years.I wrote to Ruth who was head of the union at the time and I was in the IUOE.She basically said they would do whey they had to do to make a plus 10% profit for their members and tough luck for ours.

Uh-oh....What's the First Rule about "Exploration Club?"

The First Rule of Fight Club is........ - YouTube
I'll let you in on a little secret,when an exploration camp starts building semi permanent structures or an airfield......buy shares!!!!!!
 

CDNBear

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What you keep hearing it from is every responsible economist.
Not really.

Only a few Right Wing "Think Tank" denizens say differently. There is noit the slightest doubt of its factual base.
If there are groups that think differently, your last sentence isn't true.

But this is interesting...

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2012/03/02/jack-mintz-no-dutch-disease-here/

And this...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...disease-economic-hypochondria/article2426700/

And what effect do you think that "union wages" have had on Ontario other than the sane that they have had everywhere. They have had the effect of giving the nation a high standard of living and freedom from poverty for most - probably including you and yours.
Actually, unions have had a negative impact on me and mine. Since it was unions and their manufacturing partners that deregulated welding in Ontario. As to give union members in the auto sector the ability to call themselves welders, when in fact they are glorified hot metal caulkers.

To make matter worse, thanks to that very deregulation under Bob Rae, and the subsequent layoffs in the auto sector, there is a glut of so called welders on the mark. Thus driving down wages and filling positions once held by skilled welder fabricators. That used to make considerably more.

A standard that has been declining relative to the world since the "Right Wing" seized political control in Canada and much of the Westernworld thirty+ years ago. Poverty that has been increasing since that time.
That's funny since my standard of living has increased, decreased and is back on the rise again. Thanks in no small part to the present gov't.

"What about a weakened American dollar." Is that not what it is about.
Not according to you and the rest of the parrots. According to you guys, it's all about Canada's resource extraction.

Resource extraction is all that has kept Canada's dollar from weakening in tandem with the American.
Well that and America's burgeoning debt load and weakened financial sector. As compared to Canada's resource extraction and not so weakened financial sector.

And that is why America no longer buys Ontario's manufactures.
It's only a part of why Ontario's manufacturing sector is drying up.

She basically said they would do whey they had to do to make a plus 10% profit for their members and tough luck for ours.
They had the same thing to say to the Canada Packer union, when they locked them out years ago.

So much for union solidarity.
 
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Cabbagesandking

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What has your present and personal situation to do with it? Apart from the reality that you have that benefit only because of the sacrifices of Unionists for a century or more earlier.

One hopeful sign is that you now admit that it is "part" of why Ontario's manufacturing is drying up. Actually, one recent study puts it at 52% of the relationship.
 

Machjo

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Minimum wages in every jurisdiction in Canada are more than 20% lower already than they were 35 years ago. Wages for more than half the population are no better and for many worse than they were at that time. How does that help the economy?

How does the "greater" purchasing power help anything except overseas travel and imports? Travel that is becoming available to fewer people because of their reduced incomes and imports are only available for as long as you can pay for them.

There is no solution that the government of Ontario can introduce. Resource extraction has priced Ontario's manufactures out of world markets. It is also driving Canada back to the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries in its economic sophistication. The next commodity fall will mean economic disaster for Canada.

Like I said, not ideal circumstances, but you do what you must.

Also, if you were an unskilled worker, would you rather the government legislate you out of work with a higher minimum wage (I can guarantee the government does not abide by its own standards when it comes to social security), or would you rather it provide you with job training to raise your employability so as to raise your salary that way?

I know which I'd choose.
 

lone wolf

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Hydro costs are the biggest fly in the ointment in Cliff's developing a chromate smelter near Sudbury. They project a need that would light up a town of 30 thousand. Province-owned Ontario Hydro had wiggle room to negotiate. A for-profit Hydro One, buying power from Ontario Power Generation? Not so much
 

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They had the same thing to say to the Canada Packer union, when they locked them out years ago.

So much for union solidarity.

Yup,it was a real sad day for our mine,we just hired 150 temps and were trying to make this struggling mine profitable by expanding because the bigger you are the cheaper you mine coal.They laid off a third of our 600 workforce and I still have all the e-mails from the head of the teachers union to this day,a reminder of how Ontario only cared about itself back then and they are one of the richest union pension funds around now.
They can suck my balls as Cartman would say.

For the record my dad immigrated to Cooksville(Now Missisauga) from Amsterdam in the 50's,worked himself up to be manager at the downtown Eatons store and in the 60,s moved our family west by volkswagon beetle and train where we became pioneers also here in the west.
I'm glad he made that desicion or I could still be living in Toronta
 

CDNBear

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What has your present and personal situation to do with it?
You brought it up...

They have had the effect of giving the nation a high standard of living and freedom from poverty for most - probably including you and yours.

Apart from the reality that you have that benefit only because of the sacrifices of Unionists for a century or more earlier.
LOL. More like the people that excelled in their career and became sought after. Thankfully, there are still companies that look for that quality, making me, not any union, a desirable commodity.

One hopeful sign is that you now admit that it is "part" of why Ontario's manufacturing is drying up.
At least I admit it now?

Can you point out where I said it had no part in it before?

Maybe you should just stick to reading the black parts of my posts. You and the rest of the bobbleheads are the ones that can't understand the complexity of it, and are locked on resource extraction as the big bad boogeyman.

Sure it makes a great scapegoat. But the fact is past policy, unions, financial and industrial trends are for more to blame than resource extraction.

Actually, one recent study puts it at 52% of the relationship.
That's an awesome study. Like most of your claims, empty.
 
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JLM

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Ontario's economy will get back on track only if the price of vehicles returns to a sane level, would be mine unprofessional guess! :smile: