Canadian Democracy - Takes another hit under Harper

Harper is abusing Parliamentary reviews of bills - and Parliamentary Committees


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CDNBear

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I think that one of the big reasons for out cry on this is because Harper is playing this old game better than anyone else in recent memory.
Or taking it to new heights. I would liken it to doping in MLB. Not very ethical, everyone's doing/done it at least once and it certainly takes the game to a whole new level.

Sadly, yes.
I agree, sad. But the indignation and faux objectivity by the Usual Suspects is without a doubt, very entertaining.
 

taxslave

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I think that one of the big reasons for out cry on this is because Harper is playing this old game better than anyone else in recent memory.




Sadly, yes.

Is he? or do we just have much better access to up to date news now? At one time it took a real scandal to make the news and even then it was often swept under the rug.
 

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I'm no expert on what transpires in Parliament and I wouldn't want to be, but what about the Senate? Aren't they paid the big bucks to put brakes on any idiocy immerging from the House of Commons? :lol:
 

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I have no idea, I'm not a conservative. Maybe wait and see what Colpy brings to the table.

That was a rhetorical question.

Why just single out the conservatives on this?

As reported, this practice has been going on for a very long time and not just federally.. That said, where was the outrage from the Libs and Dippers on this practice over the years?

Harper has gone farther. Have you not noticed.
 

PoliticalNick

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I'm no expert on what transpires in Parliament and I wouldn't want to be, but what about the Senate? Aren't they paid the big bucks to put brakes on any idiocy immerging from the House of Commons? :lol:
Did you forget to take your sanity pills today? The senate is stuffed with persons who are so beholden to the current govt it isn't funny. Almost all of Harpo's favorite cronies who couldn't win the vote in their riding got appointed to the lucrative senate position. Hardly a group that will stop the cons from doing anything. Might happen right after the Martians land and ask to borrow a cup of sugar. :roll:
 

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Did you forget to take your sanity pills today? The senate is stuffed with persons who are so beholden to the current govt it isn't funny. Almost all of Harpo's favorite cronies who couldn't win the vote in their riding got appointed to the lucrative senate position. Hardly a group that will stop the cons from doing anything. Might happen right after the Martians land and ask to borrow a cup of sugar. :roll:

I guess you missed my attempt at a little sarcasm, actually it's worse than you portray, a bunch of doddering old codgers who probably aren't even sure who Harper is. :lol:
 

PoliticalNick

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I guess you missed my attempt at a little sarcasm, actually it's worse than you portray, a bunch of doddering old codgers who probably aren't even sure who Harper is. :lol:

No I didn't miss it. Just checking to make sure you took your pills today. ;-)
 

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Did you forget to take your sanity pills today? The senate is stuffed with persons who are so beholden to the current govt it isn't funny. Almost all of Harpo's favorite cronies who couldn't win the vote in their riding got appointed to the lucrative senate position. Hardly a group that will stop the cons from doing anything. Might happen right after the Martians land and ask to borrow a cup of sugar. :roll:


... And this is different from how the Liberals stacked the Senate for all those years?
 

PoliticalNick

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... And this is different from how the Liberals stacked the Senate for all those years?

It's not. Just shows exactly how useless a senate is if it is not elected but appointed. Same goes for the SCC. Anytime a body to oversee and possibly overrule the govt is appointed it just a big waste of time and tax dollars.
 

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This act is unprecedented and it is fallacious to downplay criticism just because it is not liked by the Canadian Right. What should be done is to examine the case without bringing in the Red Herring that it has been done before by others.

First, it has not happened before in anything like this consequence, and, lesser cases have, as Coyne states, met with great protest. It is, an egregious undermining of democracy and of Parliament, the defender of democracy, that should concern anyone of any political persuasion. Genuine Conservatives as much as any.

The reference to the Senate is apt and I am surprised that Coyne did not refer to it. It is little understood in Canada that the real committe work of examining Bills, correcting and proposing amendments, has been the main function of the Senate. The Commons has never had the committee time for that in depth consideration. This Senate is not just a rubber stamp: it's new members are there with the explicit understanding that not only do they not oppose Bills, but that they approve them without debate when ordered to.

This Bill is a large step in the process of making a Canada that none of us who have grown up in the one that used to be a leader in progressive and humane traditions and practises, will recognise.

I quite liked the Canada of the recent past. I don't like this vision.
 

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One of the best economy's in the world, strong resource based trade with the USA and China, housing and banking strong and a employment rate better than all the G8 countries...

What else do the Librards want..

Christ quit bitching already...
 

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One of the best economy's in the world, strong resource based trade with the USA and China, housing and banking strong and a employment rate better than all the G8 countries...

I see you have been drinking the conservative kool-aid again....they also have some nice waterfront property in Arizona and a bridge to sell you!!! :roll:
 

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As opposed to all the other politicians on the Hill that are there to help old ladies across the street and rescue stranded kittens from trees.

As compared to how Harper has indeed taken this to a new level – Along with his so called promises on transparency- MPs votes and on and on.
Massive Bills – Little debate – MP’s suffering from lockjaw. Imagine we all would suffer from that if we had to mouth the same mantra day after day after day.
 

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As compared to how Harper has indeed taken this to a new level – Along with his so called promises on transparency- MPs votes and on and on.
Massive Bills – Little debate – MP’s suffering from lockjaw. Imagine we all would suffer from that if we had to mouth the same mantra day after day after day.

And Harper's talking points are getting so pathetic that he'll call you Hitler if you disagree with him.
 

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As compared to how Harper has indeed taken this to a new level – Along with his so called promises on transparency- MPs votes and on and on.
Massive Bills – Little debate – MP’s suffering from lockjaw. Imagine we all would suffer from that if we had to mouth the same mantra day after day after day.

This is nothing new. The only thing that changes in this equation are the names of the politicians. I hate to be the one to tell ya, but this circumstance will never change; only the names of the individuals that are involved at the time will be different