Is the Breivik right regarding the growing Muslim threat?

[petros]

I've been using that one for quite sometime. It's gone public domain by now.

 

[Goober]

Are you sure they weren't Buddhist fundamentalists?

Are you kidding. Best educate yourself on other cultures and religious strife. Also making jokes about slaughter - Now it is Roman Catholics and Jews.

Yet say a bad word about Hamas or Hebollah and you go off on a wild cut and paste. Signs of a deep seated psychosis.

 

[Colpy]

When was the last time a western leader or the MSM blamed an act of violence on a "Christian Fundamentalist"?

Quite often, when writing about Breivik.....despite the inaccuracy of that description.

Anyone who believes that 1.5 billion people share the same attributes because they are Muslim isn't any different than someone who believes a billion or so black people share the same attributes because they are black. Islam has many interprations and levels of tolerance. I support freedom of religion up until it affects anothers rights.

Prejudice and discrimination against Muslims is just more socially acceptable and mainstream thanks to the efforts of a proliferation of anti-Islam weblogs like the ones Breivik frequented and prejudiced Network news pundits.

I accept all religions equally. :

Anyone who believes that 8.5 million people shared the same attributes because they were Nazis isn't any different than someone who believes a billion or so black people shared the same attributes because they are black. National Socialism had many interpretions and levels of tolerance. I support political freedom up until it affects anothers rights.

Prejudice and discrimination against Nazis is just more socially acceptable and mainstream thanks to the efforts of a proliferation of anti-Nazi movements like the ones spear-headed by Winston Churchill.

I accept all political movements equally.

Oh, one last thing.

I took a look at terror organizations that have been banned world-wide.

There are 125 in total.

Of all the terror organizations, supporting all the religious and political causes on earth, Marxists, fascists, Tamils, Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, etc, etc, and just plain loonies....there are 52 terror organizations proscribed world-wide. Only one can be called Christian (outside of Ireland, perhaps the inside Ireland could be included as well.......) and one is Jewish.

There are 73 Islamic terror orgaizations.

Yes, Virginia, Islam is a problem.

 

[petros]

They need to organize and amalgamate.

 

[Spade]

They need to organize and amalgamate.

After all, the Reform, Alliance, and PCs did.
Perhaps those complaining most heartily about a Muslim minority in a Christian Canada should be reminded of the hatred of Jews in a Christian Europe?

 

[petros]

All the rhetoric is the same.

Speaking of rhetoric, the use of "tolerance" is a joke when acceptance is what really needs to take place.

 

[earth_as_one]

I have to admit I admire Colpy. I completely disagree with him regarding his assessment of the "Muslim Threat". However he's polite and stays on topic. He attacks ideas not people. He can make his points clearly and his isn't shy about sharing his opinion. I wish more people here would follow Colpy's example.

IMO... Just because someone agrees with most of Breivik's opinions regarding Muslims, doesn't mean they are a threat or crazy. Colpy is intolerant of and prejudiced against Muslims, but that doesn't imply that he will come to the same conclusions about a "solution" for the "Muslim problem".

BTW, Breivik's opinions regarding Muslims enjoy widespread support. I'm not sure how widespread or deep, but at least a few people are will to voice opinions in support of Breivik's hate and fear of Muslims and a few have voiced support for Breivik actions. (aka murderous rampage)

Kevin Forts: One of Anders Breivik’s US Admirers
Posted on 19 April 2012 by Emperor

Imagine if a Muslim were corresponding with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, expressing support for his terroristic actions, wouldn’t he be locked up for material support of terrorism? Kevin Forts is not the only US Breivik admirer out there.

Breivik’s US admirer
The young man has black hair and a piercing gaze, and poses with his arms behind his back. He wants to appear decisive and courageous for the photographer. His parents and friends have tried to dissuade him from taking this step, says Kevin Forts from Worcester in the US state of Massachusetts. “But I want to, so that I can represent the views of Anders Breivik that have otherwise been demonized by the mass media,” the 23-year-old told reporters from the Norwegian tabloid VG, the country’s most-read newspaper.
In a major story the newspaper reveals that Forts shares the views of mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik. “I represent a nationalist alternative, just like Breivik,” he says. Forts writes letters to the assassin and exchanges ideas with him. As proof he shows off one letter the mass murderer wrote him from his prison cell....
Kevin Forts: One of Anders Breivik’s US Admirers | loonwatch.com

EDL debates Breivik
Thursday, April 19, 2012
Reproduced below are two comments on the Breivik trial that have been posted on the English Defence League's Facebook page. (You'll note, by the way, that the individual applauding Breivik's actions uses the logo from Roberta Moore's Jewish Defence League UK.)

Now, it's true that any idiot can post their opinion on a Facebook page, but these comments have been up for over 24 hours now without being deleted by the EDL admins.
It is also the case that other EDL supporters have challenged support for Breivik, or at least for his killing spree. For example:

You can only conclude that in EDL circles this is what passes for legitimate political debate.
Islamophobia Watch - Documenting anti Muslim bigotry - EDL debates*Breivik

 

[CDNBear]

Pipe's threats and manipulated factoids regarding Islam show that Breivik followed Pipes pretty closely.

How's Pipes manipulated factoids regarding Islam, any different than you manipulated factoids about Israel?

Pipes and the other anti-Islam propagandists sowed the seeds of false fear and hate.

Like you do with regards to Israel.

That's pretty ludicrous, especially coming from someone who has virtually the same opinion as Breivik regarding Muslims:

Obviously differers alot, Colpy doesn't slaughter innocent people.

... and you are trying to associate me with Breivik??? that's rich!

Why? Other than killing people, you defend the killing of people.

Any attempt to portray Breivik's actions as unrelated to his fear and hatred of Islam are deliberate fabrications.

Like diagnosed paranoid schizophrenia?

Something you conveniently ignore.

When was the last time a western leader or the MSM blamed an act of violence on a "Christian Fundamentalist"?

Google abortion Doctor murdered.

Anti-Muslim propaganda is so pervasive, most people don't realize how much their opinions regarding Muslims are "fundamentally" wrong.

Like you anti Israel, pervasive propaganda?

While anti-Islam propagandists didn't explicitly advocate violence, their propaganda fueled Breivik's irrational fear and hate of Muslims and motivated Breivik to take violent action.

No, that's what his diagnosed paranoid schizophrenia used to fuel his murderous rampage.

Millions of people share Breiviks irrational fear of a greater Eurabia.

Have you proved it's irrational yet?

I'd answer your question, but its a dumb question.

That's what you say about any question that would force some introspection.

Hey Canadian Bear! You claim to be a member of the first nation.

Like you claim to be objective. Only one of is honest, but I digress.

I have to admit I admire Colpy. I completely disagree with him regarding his assessment of the "Muslim Threat". However he's polite and stays on topic. He attacks ideas not people. He can make his points clearly and his isn't shy about sharing his opinion. I wish more people here would follow Colpy's example.

He's only called you an idiot at least a dozen times.

IMO... Just because someone agrees with most of Breivik's opinions regarding Muslims, doesn't mean they are a threat or crazy. Colpy is intolerant of and prejudiced against Muslims, but that doesn't imply that he will come to the same conclusions about a "solution" for the "Muslim problem".

Of course not. He's nothing like you and does not support the murder of millions of people.

 

[earth_as_one]

Please refrain from PERSONAL ATTACKS and keep this thread ON TOPIC!!

 

[karrie]

How does that jibe with the larger tendency of Islamists to be involved in terrorism? You do not believe that if we pizzed them off they would not attack here?
I am stating that if we do not pay attention we could well be in the current position of several European nations not too may years hence. They already have lobbied for sharia law here in Canada. That is a faith alone based administration of law which in fact makes it very similar to Wiebo's agenda, hidden behind faith but only aimed at guaranteeing male supremacy.

There are none nearby here and very few Islamics in rural areas. I would give them the benefit of the doubt and friendliness but would not trust them anymore than i would any fundamentalist church. This is of course is my right, contrary to the way that numerous progressives and Islamists would have it.

How does it jive with terrorism running rampant in developing countries? Just fine. The fact that they're Islamic and not Christian is not 'the cause', the lack of education, the presence of dictatorships, that's the cause, the major issue. And make no mistake, fundamentalists, zealots, are all on my watch list, those who push for Sharia law included. But none of the Islamic families I've yet to meet here want to live under Sharia law anymore than I, a Catholic, want to live under the law of the Church. I won't lump a whole people in with those who look like them in other countries, or with their radical fringe groups.

 

[CDNBear]

Please refrain from PERSONAL ATTACKS and keep this thread ON TOPIC!!

If you don't like it, don't initiate them.

Hey Canadian Bear! You claim to be a member of the first nation.

At least it made for an excellent excuse for you not to answer my questions.

How does it jive with terrorism running rampant in developing countries? Just fine. The fact that they're Islamic and not Christian is not 'the cause', the lack of education, the presence of dictatorships, that's the cause, the major issue.

Fair enough, I'll buy that that's the cause.

What's the vehicle?

 

[karrie]

Fair enough, I'll buy that that's the cause.

What's the vehicle?

I'm not quite sure of what you mean. Can you explain further what you're looking for here?

 

[CDNBear]

I'm not quite sure of what you mean. Can you explain further what you're looking for here?

I'm in complete agreement, that ignorance is behind terrorism.

But what's the overwhelmingly common forum, where it is fomented?

 

[Goober]

I'm in complete agreement, that ignorance is behind terrorism.

But what's the overwhelmingly common forum, where it is fomented?

With this type of nut bar if it was not Muslims he would have found another so called enemy of civilization - Be they Jew - Black - Brown - Chinese- Protestant - Catholic - he would find some group for his hate and we would be talking about why he targeted this or that group.

 

[CDNBear]

With this type of nut bar if it was not Muslims he would have found another so called enemy of civilization - Be they Jew - Black - Brown - Chinese- Protestant - Catholic - he would find some group for his hate and we would be talking about why he targeted this or that group.

No doubt. Paranoid schizophrenia has that effect on people...

But that's just a fabrication according to EAO.

 

[petros]

But what's the overwhelmingly common forum, where it is fomented?

Television

 

[CDNBear]

Television

That would be a tool the message is conveyed by, but it isn't the forum in which it is created. TV simply broadcasts the products thereof.

 

[petros]

No pulpit, no voice.

 

[CDNBear]

No pulpit, no voice.

The absence of TV, is not silencing.

 

[petros]

It works in my house.