Wiebo Ludwig Passes-Did He Have the Last Laugh?

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Oil companies are killing your children,ok,a bit extreme but I have heard them all.Yet he was setting explosives on sour gas risers,something that if he would have accomplished would have killed lots of people including children.

Some hero,more like a coward.
I was subcontracting for Encanna at the time he was trying to kill peeps
 
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Oil companies are killing your children,ok,a bit extreme but I have heard them all.Yet he was setting explosives on sour gas risers,something that if he would have accomplished would have killed lots of people including children.

Some hero,more like a coward.
I was subcontracting for Encanna at the time he was trying to kill peeps
Did he ever successfully set off one of those bombs? Was he convicted of killing people with those bombs? And who was it again who supposedly taught him how to make bombs and supplied him with the material to make those bombs? Could it not be the same people who were supplying, showing him and setting him up to take a fall might have been the same assholes who planted the bombs? Does anybody remember who that was?
 

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Did he ever successfully set off one of those bombs? Was he convicted of killing people with those bombs? And who was it again who supposedly taught him how to make bombs and supplied him with the material to make those bombs? Could it not be the same people who were supplying, showing him and setting him up to take a fall might have been the same assholes who planted the bombs? Does anybody remember who that was?


Well,you ask a lot of questions for someone who doesnt have a clue of what he's dealing with,maybe you should try google?

If you say so-your heroic proclamations are all over this thread-as per my earlier remarks.

He's not my hero,is he yours?
Couple of you seem think this guy is some kind of guy to look up to,let me remind you that a young girl was shot on his property,and he also conspired to kill lots of folks,check out his jail sentence before you jump on that sick mofos bandwagon my friend unless your as sick as he was.
 

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No not really - yuor words define yourself. And it is not pretty.

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"If the oil companies run roughshod over your lives, you have to take defensive action against them, whatever is necessary," ... "You can't just let them kill your children."

Surprised one of the news junkies here hasn't posted about Wiebo Ludwig's passing.Certainly a controversial character and one who's life illustrated a lot of what is wrong in the Canadian energy production sector-not to mention corruption laziness and outright stupidity on the part of the RCMP.Certainly he had the guts to to take a stand-quite unlike the blowhards that pollute forums like this.

I suppose Ludwig did show a little character in not putting up with any sh*t, but honestly if I was in the situation where I thought my children were being killed, like a wimp I'd probably move and save myself the worry and frustration.
 

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Too bad they never pushed this case,see what kind of a murdering bastard he actually was,Pickton would have been proud on how he got away with it.

Ludwig was also investigated, but not charged, in relation to the June 20, 1999 shooting death of a female teenager, Karman Willis[3] who had been joyriding on his property in the middle of the night.

Wiebo Ludwig was a charismatic, larger-than-life character who caught the imagination of many people during his fight against environmental damage caused by the oil and gas industry.
The actions of the late eco-activist, who died Monday at age 70, also polarized Albertans. While Ludwig raised important questions about the effects of harvesting our oil and gas resources, he committed criminal acts in the service of his beliefs, something no democratic society should accept.
First, the positive. Ludwig believed oil and gas pollution was causing deformations and miscarriages among livestock and women and he was unrelenting in his attempts to draw attention to it. In a province that is dependent on the energy industry for its great prosperity, Ludwig was one of the fiercely independent voices asking for assurance that individual Albertans were not paying for that prosperity with their health.
However he went too far. In 2000, he was convicted of blowing up a Suncor well site and vandalizing a Norcen well site. He served 19 months in prison.
Ludwig's legacy is also darkened by a tragic shooting on the Ludwig family farm, Trickle Creek, in 1999. When 16-year-old Karman Willis and some joyriding friends drove onto the Ludwig property, someone fired a gun and a teenager died.
Nobody was ever charged with a crime in relation to the death of Willis or the wounding of a teenaged boy. Ludwig showed no remorse for the shooting, telling Maclean's magazine, "If anyone pulled the trigger, it was the oil industry that started this controversy and the government which refused to delve into it before it got out of hand."
The frightening consequences of vigilante actions are now on display south of the border. The law in several states allows people to shoot first and ask questions later if they feel threatened. The result in Florida has been the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin at the hands of a neighbourhood watch captain, George Zimmerman. He has not been charged to date because Florida has a "stand your ground" law that allows citizens to use deadly force if they feel threatened.
Alberta is a democracy operating under the rule of law. People unhappy with government decisions or environmental threats caused by industry have plenty of effective ways to make their voices heard. One need only cite the landholders who banded together to protest the proposed huge transmission line between Edmonton and Calgary. Unlike Ludwig, they understood the power of collective democratic action.
Public hearings on the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline also show the power of organized protests. Though the pipeline might end up being approved, it will be a different project because of the concerns and efforts of environmentalists and First Nations peoples.
When Ludwig was sentenced to prison in 2000, he was called a rigid-thinking zealo by the presiding judge. Ignoring that part of Ludwig's life and legacy would surely do a disservice to the public record and the Willis family.

That nitty gritty has led Ludwig to say and do harsh things. In the mid-1990s, for instance, he scolded his 90-year-old mother, Mem, for failing to provide him and his siblings with a proper Christian education as children, and for her not submitting to the authority of her husband, Harry. At the end of the meeting, when his mother wasn't properly contrite, Ludwig refused the entreaty of a church elder to hug her. "You know, I would sooner hug a prostitute," he said. "I think you need to hear that. We're not in agreement. I have some serious things, and you want me to hug you. That makes me feel sick and ucky."
Such a nice guy!
 
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Well,you ask a lot of questions for someone who doesnt have a clue of what he's dealing with,maybe you should try google?
Oh, so you don't remember who it was that set him up. Interesting that you can remember everything else about the case. I do remember who it was, so I think I know more about it than you do, sonny.
 

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Oh, so you don't remember who it was that set him up. Interesting that you can remember everything else about the case. I do remember who it was, so I think I know more about it than you do, sonny.

Play nice, boys! :lol:
 

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Too bad they never pushed this case,see what kind of a murdering bastard he actually was,Pickton would have been proud on how he got away with it.

Ludwig was also investigated, but not charged, in relation to the June 20, 1999 shooting death of a female teenager, Karman Willis[3] who had been joyriding on his property in the middle of the night.



Such a nice guy!
Hear say evidence doesn't cut anything. All you have been doing is a character assassination on someone you don't know.
 

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Hear say evidence doesn't cut anything. All you have been doing is a character assassination on someone you don't know.

Yet you dont know what I was doing at the time,working for an inspection company from Calgary that was prime contractor for Encanna when this went down,dont worry cliffy,just because you have a terrorist murdering bastard as a hero just shows how brainwashed some folks are with their hatred of the oil patch and Alberta,I chaulk it up to such an extreme hatred of Alberta that some will side with anyone or any cause to jump on the bandwagon.

I just laugh at guys like you,and feel sorry for you,allmost like your jelous of Albertas prosperity,suck it up princess.

Hear say evidence doesn't cut anything. All you have been doing is a character assassination on someone you don't know.
How do you know I dont know him? I started as juniour pipeline inspector when our company had to investigate these bombings in northern BC.
I know him very well.
He tried to kill people,mostly townsfolks,your in with that Cliffy?
You think it's ok to kill people to push an environmental cause that only you have? Wiebo never had many supporters for a reason,just ask any of his neighbours.
 
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Yet you dont know what I was doing at the time,working for an inspection company from Calgary that was prime contractor for Encanna when this went down,dont worry cliffy,just because you have a terrorist murdering bastard as a hero just shows how brainwashed some folks are with their hatred of the oil patch and Alberta,I chaulk it up to such an extreme hatred of Alberta that some will side with anyone or any cause to jump on the bandwagon.

I just laugh at guys like you,and feel sorry for you,allmost like your jelous of Albertas prosperity,suck it up princess.

How do you know I dont know him? I started as juniour pipeline inspector when our company had to investigate these bombings in northern BC.
I know him very well.
He tried to kill people,mostly townsfolks,your in with that Cliffy?
No. I just don't like people who don't know what they are talking about falsely accusing people they don't know things they are not and did not do. I did not hero worship the guy. But if you knew the truth about how the RCMP set him up, at the request of the oil companies, you would not be blowing smoke out your butt.
 

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No. I just don't like people who don't know what they are talking about falsely accusing people they don't know things they are not. I did not hero worship the guy. But if you knew the truth about how the RCMP set him up, at the request of the oil companies, you would not be blowing smoke out your butt.

Ya,they set him up and thats why he went to jail right? You ever read a newspaper or watch the news?
He was convicted in a court of law and sent to jail,he also probably shot that girl but thats just speculation,I dont think any of his cult would have pulled the trigger,he would though,he was an egotistical SOB trying to get a paycheque from Encanna and thats well known everywhere by us in the patch.If he had to kill some innocents to prove his point and get some more coin from Encanna then he would,he had no qualms about it,his convictions for his acts show that,anyone with a working brain cell that has watched this since it's inception knows this.

If hes your hero then I feel very sorry for you and scared for any of your nieghbours.

This guy is your hero? There's more,tell me when to stop because it gets bad/

In 1982, Ludwig had a falling out with organized religion, then started to have conflicts with his wife and remaining followers, disciplining them by having their heads shaved and by banishing them at times from their home and families. At one point, Ludwig and two zealous supporters, Richard Boonstra and Bill Schilthuis, belt-spanked Bill's wife Stephanie, the same woman with whom Ludwig had had a romantic affair.



One night in June 1999, everything changed for the Ludwigs. Karman Willis, 16, was out riding around with friends, trespassing on Ludwig's property, when a shot was fired and she was killed. The homicide has hung over Trickle Creek and the surrounding towns ever since.
In a call to the police the night of the shooting, Ludwig admitted that shots had been fired at a truck. Two trucks drove over his lawn, he told a 911 operator.

Point is,Wiebo used the public just like michael Moore and Al gore do,milk them for support and then some money,too bad peeps cant think and research for themselves anymore when they have to base their heros on charlatans like Wiebo and Moore and Gore and what they put on the internet.
 

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If hes your hero then I feel very sorry for you and scared for any of your nieghbours.

This guy is your hero? There's more,tell me when to stop because it gets bad/
Can you read? What did I say in my last post? He is not a hero. He was a patsy of the RCMP. He was made an example for all those who would try to get in the way of big oil. They set him up as a martyr and that is how some will remember him. Others would prefer to believe lies because it helps them to sleep at night knowing that what they do for a living is destroying our Mother Earth. But then, you worship money and big oil and those gods can do no wrong.
 

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Can you read? What did I say in my last post? He is not a hero. He was a patsy of the RCMP. He was made an example for all those who would try to get in the way of big oil. They set him up as a martyr and that is how some will remember him. Others would prefer to believe lies because it helps them to sleep at night knowing that what they do for a living is destroying our Mother Earth. But then, you worship money and big oil and those gods can do no wrong.
Guess where big oil came from? Little guys that put their life saveings into some leases and drilled some wells,they use their experience to get enough wells to become a junior company,the hope is they get bought out by big oil which is made up from these same guys that started to make a big oil company,Wiebo wasent a patsy of anyone but his own ego,all the townfolks and ranchers around him wish he would have left many years ago.
I dont know what you do for a living buddy but I have 35 years in the energy industry and cant believe how ignorant you are about my industry,have you ever worked in the energy industry or are you just one of the folks that have a hate on for Alberta?
Were used to it bud,water off a ducks back.
 

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Guess where big oil came from? Little guys that put their life saveings into some leases and drilled some wells,they use their experience to get enough wells to become a junior company,the hope is they get bought out by big oil which is made up from these same guys that started to make a big oil company,Wiebo wasent a patsy of anyone but his own ego,all the townfolks and ranchers around him wish he would have left many years ago.
I dont know what you do for a living buddy but I have 35 years in the energy industry and cant believe how ignorant you are about my industry,have you ever worked in the energy industry or are you just one of the folks that have a hate on for Alberta?
Were used to it bud,water off a ducks back.
Well buddy, you can't seem to be able to hold a civil conversation so talking to you is a waste of time.
 

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Who set him up? Your in my territory here Cliify and I hate it when peeps spread misinformation about something they have no clue about.

Lets see something to prove this.

Hope your not going to do a character assasination on the RCMP.

Answer one of my questions;
Have you ever worked in the energy industry?
What is your level of expertise in this field?

Just answer one.
 
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Who set him up? Your in my territory here Cliify and I hate it when peeps spread misinformation about something they have no clue about.

Lets see something to prove this.

Hope your not going to do a character assination on the RCMP.
Don't need to. They did it themselves and it was in all the news of the day. McLeans Magazine did a great cartoon of an RCMP officer pushing the plunger on a detonator and his head blew off instead of the well head.

And you are the one spreading disinformation.
 

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Don't need to. They did it themselves and it was in all the news of the day. McLeans Magazine did a great cartoon of an RCMP officer pushing the plunger on a detonator and his head blew off instead of the well head.

And you are the one spreading disinformation.



Ahhhh! A cartoon! ok.

If you cant answer my questions then I understand.
Sorry but I live near that asshole and most of us that do dont agree with you.

Answer one of my questions;
Have you ever worked in the energy industry?
What is your level of expertise in this field?

I take terrorists that want to blow up sour gas risers very seriously Cliffy so watch what you say.
 
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Ahhhh! A cartoon! ok.

If you cant answer my questions then I understand.
Sorry but I live near that asshole and most of us that do dont agree with you.

Answer one of my questions;
Have you ever worked in the energy industry?
What is your level of expertise in this field?

I take terrorists that want to blow up sour gas risers very seriously Cliffy so watch what you say.
Or what?

I don't care what you take seriously. And I won't be doing your research for you. There were hundreds of articles printed when it was all going down and it was national news that the RCMP admitted setting him up. I have been around a decade or two longer than you have so don't be getting all pissy on me, because I'm not impressed.
 

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And yet, in the end, the gas companies are now trying harder to be better citizens.

Well if you have any mutual funds at all then ya,they better be better citizens as your are a shareholder.

Or what?

I don't care what you take seriously. And I won't be doing your research for you. There were hundreds of articles printed when it was all going down and it was national news that the RCMP admitted setting him up. I have been around a decade or two longer than you have so don't be getting all pissy on me, because I'm not impressed.

You got a cartoon Cliify? post it then and lets see how foolish you look fitting in to the sterotype of Alberta haters.We just laugh at you guys.

It was not national news and I have been around as long as you old man and so far you make all these claims about peeps and now are waffling.

I asked you a couple questions,answer them and try not to get pissy.
You dont work in the patch so why do you think your qualified to comment on how to improve it?
Simple question.

I also printed hundreds of articles the other day,that doesnt make them right.

If Cliffy was so worried about rcmp in with Wiebo then he should do something about it,like at least give us a few more tidbits on this conspiracy that I did not know was going on with RCMP and Ludwig,kind of like the 9/11 conspiracy where Bush and Cheney engineered the whole thing.
 
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