How to build a "Green" electric car.

Cliffy

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I had a truck like that too. It wouldn't run and there as a hole in the gas tank.
Mine came with a ring and valve job already done and the gas tank doesn't leak. It runs fine and gets good mileage, uses almost no oil, has a 5 speed manual transmision and almost no rust - 1993 Mazda B2200. I am a happy camper.
 

taxslave

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First you start with iron ore.

Add some copper.....

LOTS of aluminum...

Some molybdenum...

Some lead and zinc

Some lithium....

Some tin...

Some magnesium...


Oodles of Rare Earth Minerals ...

We'll need some rubber....


Can't have rubber tires without sulfur...

You've just gotta have leather seats....


Then there is all that plastic....


What is your favourite colour?


If you want to be seen as green you're gonna need glass....


So there you have it, a thin slice of what it takes to build a "green" car.

ENJOY!

You forgot a few things like coal both to make high grade steel and heat for the furnaces. Fuel oil for the freighters that pack all that ore from Canada to Japan and ten bring back the new cars.
Don't forget the coal or nuclear powered generators to charge them. Or the diesel powered truck that delivers them.
 

petros

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I lef5t energy out on purpose. I only listed a small portion of materials and the impact they ensue on the planet.
 

taxslave

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Mine came with a ring and valve job already done and the gas tank doesn't leak. It runs fine and gets good mileage, uses almost no oil, has a 5 speed manual transmision and almost no rust - 1993 Mazda B2200. I am a happy camper.

Great little truck. After much debate we just sold ours.
 

55Mercury

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I wanted to see if he would put the stupid sandwich comment in when it was his people being starved. Apparently he couldn't bring himself to lay out the same line. No big surprise as that is how a racist acts.


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His people?

Petros is God???

Hail Petros!
 

MHz

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We already hail him, it is for the statues in Jordan though.

Correct me if I'm wrong but a 'green car' should repair the enviro instead of taxing it more. I even gave a clue, the best fuel is the one that releases the least emissions. Turbines run on 'vapors' once they are fully started. To have a GV that turbine would use anything that is flammable, some just work better than others. That is installed in 'your car' and it keeps running all the time, when you come home you leave it on 'low' and plug your house into it, whenyou go to the mall you get out and plug it into yjer mall so the mall has power. Nobody at the mall no power is used and it is locked up SOLID. Plug in and the whole thing is open wherever you go, one store at a time as you are the cashier and the customer. Get 1,000 plugged in and the decorative lights come on. Not overunity but it puts the power where you are and the whole system can never break down (quickly).

If Petros was god he would implement something like that until GOD really does arrive and then we all get some real meat to chew on.
 

petros

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Correct me if I'm wrong but a 'green car' should repair the enviro instead of taxing it more.
BINGO!!! That is whole point of this thread. Materials to make consumer goods just dont fall from the sky and recycling isn't all it's cracked up to be, it's still very dirty. The only "Green" vehicle is you and a pair of good shoes.

Turbines are great, 30%+ efficiency compared to internal combustion engines at 6% but the are loud and run really damn hot.

BTW MHz, unless it's coupled to a genny you aren't going to make electricty and if it were, the whole set up would be far to heavy for an auto.
 
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MHz

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Turbines are also meant to run at a constant speed, that makes them ideal as the power for a charger or extra power if longer distance is required. Point of the thread is to help the manufactures to deliver a better product? That should come with a cheque if any info is found to be valuable, say the same amount that the guy who just got fired for not thinking of it first?
It is hooked up to a genset (rather than a tranny, that way your batteries are charged and when you plug into the home you have 220v on demand , that is what the car is for, you are along for the almost free ride. Starting it first and restarting might be quick with premium gas but if you are using solid-wax then the restart is a bitch to say the least. Point being you buy the genset and use it for all your electric needs rather than paying for 4 systems that steer money away from your pocket. Running on low would power the grid if you are producing more than you use.

Plastics (hemp/flax fibers which is renewable but s\till requires energy to manufacture even in raw form) could be most of the construction, as indicated before it could come with its own wheels but less the 'car' (tow-able package and transferable just that quick)

 
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MHz

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We already hail him, it is for the statues in Jordan though.
Weren't you supposed to have them standing in the 4 doorways by now, Dogh?



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Re:*:15: And the four ****** were ******, which were ******** for an ****, and a ***, and a *****, and a ****, for to slay the ******part of ***.
Re:9:**: And the ****** of the **** of the ******** were *** ******* ******** ********: and I heard the number of them.
 

MHz

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BINGO!!! That is whole point of this thread. Materials to make consumer goods just dont fall from the sky and recycling isn't all it's cracked up to be, it's still very dirty. The only "Green" vehicle is you and a pair of good shoes.
Anytime 'work' is being done something gets changed and the 'by-product' is dirty. The best you could do to is make that pile as small as possible. That would be be burning hydrogen and oxygen together. Today that would be called hho gas but you need power to produce it but it would be made on demand so it would be non-explosive in it's raw form, water.

If efficiency is important so is the supply end, in Canada NG is the biggest commodity we have in that class (fuel for transportation). That is what we should be developing, get the box you want it wrapped in would still be possible, new ($$$) or from a kit ($$) or shared expenses ($). If there is an existing e-car available then something already past the R&D phase should just be backed to make the transition as cheap and as fast as possible. Use the gas to make electricity as in the home model below and power your home via that, not free but it might be better for you as if the grid went down you could still charge your car and run your house. If the NG quit it could most likely be converted to run on propane. Nor is it pollution free as it has by-products not desired and getting it to your place is going to be dirty work somewhere.

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My favorite is still the salt water battery, add the brine (best % to still be determined) is added and the power is on, since it does not produce high amps it would be used as a 'trickle charger' and just stay on 24/7 if need be. Anybody with access to the ocean would have power, pump some onto land, let some water evaporate till you get the best solution and then start mining/recycling whatever two metals work best. It may work out that many variations work, some just work better than others but you have to use what you have access to. (getting a fine layer of salt everywher will exterminate life as it kill all green things, a small price to pay for social advancement)

Wind turbines have access to unlimited energy it just doesn't work as advertised. Solution, make some wind by making the prop and genset much smaller in size and put up a very large sail/windsock that directs all the wind it catches onto that small dia fan. The sail and mast would be good for 20 yrs with little or no maintenance to the table it would have to be swiveling on to maintain the best angle of attack for the wind conditions.
 

MHz

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Any idea what the mileage difference would be in $$ using $1.50 as the price per liter? $3.50/GJ for the NG

$6k is going to buy a lot of gas, since I'm cheap and I don't mind twisting a few knobs myself why could I not just put on a carb off a small plane and take advantage of it's ability to change the air/fuel mixture (literally) on the fly. No help for the new cars but somebody with a turbo on an old flathead (or any pre injected engine) could use the upgrade @ 1/6 the cost
 
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