Immigrants to Canada live in subsidized housing

EagleSmack

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By comparison, American aboriginal people were far more civilized than their European contemporaries. Europeans were not much more than barbarians crawling out of the Dark Ages.

Sure... if you want to leave out the cannibalism part. :)
 

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When the Europeans came here to trade fur with the natives, I'm not aware they did it a the point of a gun.
Although they may have traded guns for fur.
But no, I define civilization as one who advances their society to have a more comfortable/easy life for its people.
Sort of like letting in immigrants to do your laundry and cleaning?
 

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I thought that subsidized housing for immigrants was a proactive attempt to stop the first generation immigrant problem and prevent the formation of ghettos?

For some reason, immigrants are a common scapegoat worldwide. Despite the fact that the economic superiority of the second generation over the "natives" more than compensates the economic weakness of the first generation.

That's populism for you.
 

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Sort of like letting in immigrants to do your laundry and cleaning?
Well we let immigrants in to fill jobs that Canadians cannot or will not fill. We get some great immigrants that wind up making great contributions to Canada.
 

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When the white man discovered this country, Indians were running it. No taxes, no debt, women did all the work. White man thought he could improve on a system like this

There is no doubt that the Europeans were materially far more civilized than the North Americans. It's just that spirtually they weren't much more civilized if at all with their racism, imperialism, etc. That combination proved lethal for the natives.

Unfortunately, many of those old attitudes continue to exist today.

Yes, I should have been clearer in my Post, I meant to say that the larger wave of immigrants did not start coming until after WW2. But, yes, the Chinese came here to provide labour to help build the BC portion of the RR. The Europeans provided the engineering and construction techniques for this massive project.

Imigration started pooring in after jacques cartier discovered the land for the French.
 

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Sure... if you want to leave out the cannibalism part. :)
Hmmm. Ever wonder what the Europeans did with all those Barbequed witches and heretics? Why do you think everybody and his uncle showed up to watch?

Cannibalism was not wide spread and was usually done for ceremonial reasons (Haida). The Aztecs were the only ones who did blood sacrifice on a large scale. There were large scale civilizations in the Americas long before Europe.
 
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EagleSmack

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Hmmm. Ever wonder what the Europeans did with all those Barbequed witches and heretics? Why do you think everybody and his uncle showed up to watch?

Oh really! That would be neat to read about. You don't by chance have a link do you?

Cannibalism was not wide spread and was usually done for ceremonial reasons (Haida). The Aztecs were the only ones who did blood sacrifice on a large scale. There were large scale civilizations in the Americas long before Europe.

What is your definition of a large scale civilization?

Regardless of the reasons... cannibalism and human sacrifice are what they are. Not saying the Europeans were any better, but they weren't any worse.

First Nations, Native Americans, and the ancient people of Central and South America were human... just like everyone else.

There is no doubt that the Europeans were materially far more civilized than the North Americans. It's just that spirtually they weren't much more civilized if at all with their racism, imperialism, etc. That combination proved lethal for the natives.

True to a point. Native American tribes preyed upon each other long before the Europeans landed. In my research about the Plymouth Settlement I was surprised to learn that the Wappanoug tribe that assisted the Puritans did so because he saw a potential of a strong ally against the Narragansett tribe.
 

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Oh really! That would be neat to read about. You don't by chance have a link do you?



What is your definition of a large scale civilization?

Regardless of the reasons... cannibalism and human sacrifice are what they are. Not saying the Europeans were any better, but they weren't any worse.

First Nations, Native Americans, and the ancient people of Central and South America were human... just like everyone else.

True to a point. Native American tribes preyed upon each other long before the Europeans landed. In my research about the Plymouth Settlement I was surprised to learn that the Wappanoug tribe that assisted the Puritans did so because he saw a potential of a strong ally against the Narragansett tribe.
I never said they were any better. I was countering the statement that they never developed civilizations. I think the Mound people of the US, the Olmecs, Toltecs and Mayans were fairly large and the name of the peoples that preceded the Incas. I think with 100 million people there were a few others too. And what the Spanish did to those civilizations was pretty damn barbaric, don't you think?
 

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I never said they were any better. I was countering the statement that they never developed civilizations. I think the Mound people of the US, the Olmecs, Toltecs and Mayans were fairly large and the name of the peoples that preceded the Incas. I think with 100 million people there were a few others too. And what the Spanish did to those civilizations was pretty damn barbaric, don't you think?

Absolutely barbaric. But they came in and slaughtered people who were slaughtering other people.
 

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It is really very simple.

Without immigrants, Canada would be shrinking rapidly. Canadians have not replaced themselves for years. Native Canadians are either dying, or migrating to other countries, faster than children are being born. This has been going on for at least the past 30 years.

Without immigrants, Canada's population would likely be about 20,000,000 now, and shrinking every year. Now who the hell would be paying for all of the social welfare benefits in Canada, without immigrants?
 

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It is really very simple.

Without immigrants, Canada would be shrinking rapidly. Canadians have not replaced themselves for years. Native Canadians are either dying, or migrating to other countries, faster than children are being born. This has been going on for at least the past 30 years.


Without immigrants, Canada's population would likely be about 20,000,000 now, and shrinking every year. Now who the hell would be paying for all of the social welfare benefits in Canada, without immigrants?

Oh, don't confuse Durry and Dumpy with the facts of life. They can't handle anything that gets in the way of their bias.
 

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First off, we need to distinguish between regular immigrants and genuine refugees. As a rule refugees won't have money because they were oppressed. I'd rather spend money on them here than on the military abroad.
you said: ."....distinguish between regular immigrants and genuine refugees." There's other 'so-called' refugees too. The people who showed up on boats, on the western shores of Vancouver, they are not genuine refugees..nor are they regular/legal immigrants..
 

The Old Medic

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Yeah, and Chev, and people like him, want to be the ones that determine who is, and who is not, a "genuine refugee". Of course, they can do this without any access to the records, they just consult their prejudices and say, "This one is, and that one isn't".

Too bad my people didn't do exactly that when the White man showed up in Northern North America. They would have allowed the French, and sent all the British back.
 

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When the white man discovered this country, Indians were running it. No taxes, no debt, women did all the work. White man thought he could improve on a system like this

In many ways, the old traditional system was pretty good for the guys. Great hunting and fishing 24/7, got to attack your enemies when they pissed you off-you were related to most of them, got to steal women too. And we could have several wives. Better than the nonsense some say about how aboriginals had a "matriarchial" system. Women in all traditional societies did all the drudge work, in Africa, Asia, America and Europe, it was all the same. Women were property owned by men in pre-modern times.

Problem is, things like famine occur in traditional societies, like happened in Ireland in the 1840s. Like is happening today in Africa. Modern societies throw scraps of food at them, shrug, and tell them to get with the program.

Without all those precious immigrants, Canada would shrivel up and die! How horrid!
 

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Oh, the old "natural" explaination ...eh!! How come they didn't "naturally" know how to deal with the Europeans when they first came here? How come we have to teach them how to "naturally" advance their society ???
Pretty weak argument, but I guess when your grasping for an explaination, you'll grasp at almost anything..


Well your coming off as one very arrogant person in this thread.

Canada is a DNA grave yard.

Nothing great about a country people are making a conscious decision not too have children.
The whole natural family dynamics that teachs children how to fend and survive on there own are completely obliterated...

Our own system will be what destroys us eventually. Its only a matter of time.

Sorry, I'm not impressed with what you call our civilization. If this is the best we can do, I think we lack imagination & intelligence.
 
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Gavin Morgan

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I immigrated to BC from Quebec, but I asked permission from the aboriginal inhabitants if I could stay. I don't put much faith in laws created by thieves.
Would you please show replicas/facsimiles of your application and replies thereof?

Before the arrival of the European Immigrants, the continent now known as North America was made up of a variety of nations, just like the nations of Europe. Each of these nations had their own culture, economy, language, education, religion and government.

In the territory that would one day become known as Canada, there were about 250,000 inhabitants, with between 20,000 to 30,000 residing in semi-permanent towns and villages. They farmed, raised families, socialized, loved, hated, laughed and cried; and all belonged to the same
human race as the later European Immigrants. They studied astronomy and astrology, using the stars to assist in plant rotation and migratory trends.
We shall see how correct their science was in December.
 

Gavin Morgan

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When the white man came, we had the land and they had the bibles. Now they have the land and we have the bibles.
- Chief Dan George
Chief, you also have the casinos, and with the white man's sick addiction to gambling you can take everything back.

Can someone name just ONE (1) nation/people/tribe who was treated more fairly than the North American Native people by their conquerors than the North American natives?
 

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We shall see how correct their science was in December.
What science would that be?

I think his application was in the form of a handful of wampam !!!
What do you know of Wampum?

Chief, you also have the casinos, and with the white man's sick addiction to gambling you can take everything back.
We're working on that.

Can someone name just ONE (1) nation/people/tribe who was treated more fairly than the North American Native people by their conquerors than the North American natives?
The Quebecois.