Poll: Some Alberta men believe violence against women is okay

[JLM]

Obviously, you don't know the difference between abuse and self defense.

Great to see you do have a working brain cell. :lol:

Actually this entire thread is a prime example of stereotyping and should have probably been deep sixed at the get go! :smile:

 

[petros]

If I can't take a punch from a woman.... what? Not the point at all. I see no reason why I should.

Wimp!

 

[Dexter Sinister]

...but one would have to wonder what had happened to actually bring a woman to physically lash back

I wouldn't wonder about that at all, I'd view that as an attempt at rationalization no different from the "she deserved it" argument we hear from some men. I will make no attempt to sustain a relationship with a woman who hits me, that's crossing a line and for me there's no way back from it. If as some have argued there's no provocation sufficient to justify a man striking the first blow--and I've been hearing that from the women's movement and female friends and relatives all my life--that's got to go both ways, you don't get a pass just because you're female.

 

[petros]

Obviously, you don't know the difference between abuse and self defense.

You have a sure fire self defense mechanism. Two feet and heart beat. Walk the **** away.

 

[karrie]

not talking about some 'wierd exception', i'm talking about the rule, there are always exceptions, at which time you do what you have to do.

And, in 'most' cases even a woman who is as big or bigger than a man is probably
still much weaker physically, and it doesn't take much of a physical battle for
a woman to cave in emotionally/and or physically, if she is trying to fight
with a man.

I think most men here have made it quite clear that they ARE talking about the exceptions.

 

[Kakato]

When I was in the oilsands we had lots of female control room operators,not one of the male Somalians working there would take any orders from a female. When we tried to fire them they cried discrimination.

I can imagine how most of the ones we had working for us would answer the survey.

 

[talloola]

I think most men here have made it quite clear that they ARE talking about the exceptions.

the exception being what. that it was a one-off, a very rare happening, or that the woman was a huge
hulk of a person who was bigger than they.

I did not take it from dexter's first post that it is an exception at all, meaning a wierd circumstance,
but just a situation where a woman hit a man, then what.

what do you mean as an exception, that a woman would hit a man period, or?

I mean, this subject is the exception to one's everyday life.

I wouldn't wonder about that at all, I'd view that as an attempt at rationalization no different from the "she deserved it" argument we hear from some men. I will make no attempt to sustain a relationship with a woman who hits me, that's crossing a line and for me there's no way back from it. If as some have argued there's no provocation sufficient to justify a man striking the first blow--and I've been hearing that from the women's movement and female friends and relatives all my life--that's got to go both ways, you don't get a pass just because you're female.

yep, thats some people's views.

I think the rule of thumb in any situation like that is you the minimal amount of force required to control the situation. BUT that is what I would do, I still think if a woman decides she wants to be treated exactly equal to a man, she should be prepared for much more severe treatment, just so she isn't amazed when she's emerging from a coma.

yep, there are those types out there, for sure, hope he felt good that he 'sure showed her', ha, big man,
and what was his injury, a red cheek.

My husband would immediately strike back any man who hit him, no problem there at all, he can take care of
himself, he is strong, grew up in an area where there was lots of physical confrontations happening, had
a 'few' fights, but is not the fighting type. He played lots of physical sports, so he is in touch
with his physical strengths, and can handle himself.

When it comes to the opposite sex, he is so gentle, he could never hit any female, and if I hit him I
can hear his reaction right now. "What the f***k are you doing, are you crazy?", and he would defend
himself, push me away, or grab me so that I don't hit him again, etc., but he would never be
emotionally crushed, in fact, 'not at all', it would do nothing to him to cause any further problems
in his life, and whatever caused the problem would be dealt with in another way.

I wouldn't wonder about that at all, I'd view that as an attempt at rationalization no different from the "she deserved it" argument we hear from some men. I will make no attempt to sustain a relationship with a woman who hits me, that's crossing a line and for me there's no way back from it. If as some have argued there's no provocation sufficient to justify a man striking the first blow--and I've been hearing that from the women's movement and female friends and relatives all my life--that's got to go both ways, you don't get a pass just because you're female.

so, are you saying that if a man is hit by a woman, he has all the right to hit her back, even if he
knows, after not being injured at all, he will probably injure her, because he is so much bigger and
stronger?

 

[Spade]

You are right in your analysis, Talloola!

 

[gerryh]

Well, one thing that is perfectly clear. Religion has NOTHING to do with whether a man feels he has the right to strike a woman or not.

 

[talloola]

Well, one thing that is perfectly clear. Religion has NOTHING to do with whether a man feels he has the right to strike a woman or not.

on that, we can agree, well, on second thought maybe there are religions that
say, that it is OK to strike a woman.

 

[Cannuck]

You have a sure fire self defense mechanism. Two feet and heart beat. Walk the **** away.

In an ideal situation that works fine. Things are not always as black and white. Have you ever been cornered in a bathroom by somebody with a hockey stick? Where do you suggest a victim run to?

 

[gerryh]

In an ideal situation that works fine. Things are not always as black and white. Have you ever been cornered in a bathroom by somebody with a hockey stick? Where do you suggest a victim run to?

ROFLMFAO


I was abused by my first wife...pots, pans, assorted flying objects, fists, feet..... at no time did I hit her back.

The above is just more rationalizations by the weak minded.

 

[Spade]

In an ideal situation that works fine. Things are not always as black and white. Have you ever been cornered in a bathroom by somebody with a hockey stick? Where do you suggest a victim run to?

What if she had a nuclear fishin' pole?

 

[Cannuck]

I was abused by my first wife...pots, pans, assorted flying objects, fists, feet..... at no time did I hit her back.

The above is just more rationalizations by the weak minded.

Every situation is different. I never hit my wife back either. I'm mature and intelligent enough to realize and accept that not every situation is the same. BTW, I notice you avoided the question. Where is the victim supposed to run to? Or do you expect the victim to simply stand there and take the abuse?

 

[talloola]

In an ideal situation that works fine. Things are not always as black and white. Have you ever been cornered in a bathroom by somebody with a hockey stick? Where do you suggest a victim run to?

haven't you played hockey before, where was your stick, you must have dropped it, where is the ref
when you need him. lol

of course, there are exceptions to all of these situations, 'defend' yourself, without anyone becoming
unconscious, and not too much blood please.

 

[gerryh]

Every situation is different. I never hit my wife back either. I'm mature and intelligent enough to realize and accept that not every situation is the same. BTW, I notice you avoided the question. Where is the victim supposed to run to? Or do you expect the victim to simply stand there and take the abuse?

Take the damn stick away from her...pussy... it's a friggin bathroom, not like she can get a good swing with it.... then again, considering your attitude, it would be safer for her if she was able to get a good swing with it.

 

[Cannuck]

Take the damn stick away from her...pussy... it's a friggin bathroom, not like she can get a good swing with it.... then again, considering your attitude, it would be safer for her if she was able to get a good swing with it.

You are assuming that every man is capable of taking the stick away from their woman. That's quite the sexist attitude you have. As I've said, I'm smart enough to realize that the issue is not as black and white as you think it is.

 

[Goober]

What if she had a nuclear fishin' pole?

Spade my friend. I see a lot of people trying to pick flyshxy from the pepper on this thread.

 

[Cannuck]

then again, considering your attitude, it would be safer for her if she was able to get a good swing with it.

Obviously you are ASSuming I'm talking about my wife. Have you already forgotten how stupid I made you look when you made ASSumptions about my wife the last time?

 

[JLM]

Well, one thing that is perfectly clear. Religion has NOTHING to do with whether a man feels he has the right to strike a woman or not.

And I don't think "Alberta" has much to do with it either!

haven't you played hockey before, where was your stick, you must have dropped it, where is the ref
when you need him. lol

of course, there are exceptions to all of these situations, 'defend' yourself, without anyone becoming
unconscious, and not too much blood please.

Hey, Talloola...................some people talk because they have something to say and others talk (natter) because they have to say something. :lol::lol::lol:

Obviously you are ASSuming I'm talking about my wife. Have you already forgotten how stupid I made you look when you made ASSumptions about my wife the last time?

So what were you doing co inhabiting a bathroom with a woman other than your wife?