Nanny State has CCTV cameras installed at gas stations

JLM

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Interesting how something designed to inhibit lawbreakers is suddenly called a product of the Nanny State. Commenting about Big Brother watching would be more appropriate.

As for the overall idea, I have no issues: if the car isn't insured, then why is it on the road? Part of the agreement to drive is to obey the laws pertaining to the use of motor vehicles and the public roads. Insurance lapsed? TFB: pay attention to your responsibilities as a driver and you won't have the issue.

A "Nanny State" is only necessary where we have irresponsible people who break the laws! :smile:
 

55Mercury

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What is your answer 55Mercury?
what's my answer? how do we do it here? don't renew anyone's license if fines are outstanding. After that it's the court's responsibility to ensure penalties are prohibitive to those who are caught driving illegally.
 

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Even better why bother with courts? We can leave that up to the gas stations too.

If you've noticed many gas stations these days are a small building not much larger than 10' X 10', - not much room for court. :lol:

Isn't the uninsured motorist picked up automatically ? That was my understanding.

I would guess an invalid plate would just trip off an alarm.
 

55Mercury

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Isn't the uninsured motorist picked up automatically ? That was my understanding.
now that just sounds like a lot of wishful thinking. So now you expect the central scrutinizer (computers) to monitor everything? I'm predicting cost overruns at this point, because now it has to be high tech, like the stupid firearms registry (which has yet to be conclusively proven to have saved one goddamned life, btw) and ends up costing the unborn 10 times what was initially projected (and that doesn't even factor in the interest that will be accrued on that amount over the next 50 years or more of actually paying it down, because, and this will no doubt come as a shock, governments are running deficits nowadays and realistically, even if they suddenly had annual surplusses, there's no such thing as a surplus, when you're mega billions in debt).

brilliant, people, just brilliant.

and right, you would be correct in assuming that I didn't read the link in the OP. So yes, it's high tech. so obviously they couldn't use the low tech cams that are in most stations. too expensive. they think the gas station owners will pay for this. another tax to add to the price of gas, I guess.

I wouldn't suggest we try it here until the nanny state has proven it effective vs. the cost, for at least 10 years.

They can do the research for us.
 

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too expensive. they think the gas station owners will pay for this. another tax to add to the price of gas, I guess.

I wouldn't suggest we try it here until the nanny state has proven it effective vs. the cost, for at least 10 years.

They can do the research for us.

And possibly offset by lower insurance and policing costs, not to mention less death and mayhem.
 

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if there was all this death and mayhem due to unpaid fines and uninsured drivers wouldn't someone have posted it here at some point?

I just don't see it.

they seem to be inventing problems so they can appear to be doing something about it.

of course they don't mind spending your unborn great grand-children's money to justify their existence. Bureaucrats and politicians have been refining the practice for decades.
 

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if there was all this death and mayhem due to unpaid fines and uninsured drivers wouldn't someone have posted it here at some point?

I just don't see it.

they seem to be inventing problems so they can appear to be doing something about it.

of course they don't mind spending your unborn great grand-children's money to justify their existence. Bureaucrats and politicians have been refining the practice for decades.

It doesn't take much death and mayhem to generate a large bill.
 

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And possibly offset by lower insurance and policing costs, not to mention less death and mayhem.

Same argument used to pass the Firearms Act, and that's working well. The UK has the most spied upon and photographed population in the entire world. You cannot, on average, go 400 yards without getting photgraphed. It matters who watches and has control of the footage; humourous acts caught on the many cameras around Trafalgar Square has been uploaded to YouTube by those in charge of "security". Sort of gives that warm fuzzy feeling don't it.

Funny how England valiantly fought against the tyranny of the NAZI's only to enact a more "British" brand of tyranny.
 

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Same argument used to pass the Firearms Act, and that's working well. The UK has the most spied upon and photographed population in the entire world. You cannot, on average, go 400 yards without getting photgraphed. It matters who watches and has control of the footage; humourous acts caught on the many cameras around Trafalgar Square has been uploaded to YouTube by those in charge of "security". Sort of gives that warm fuzzy feeling don't it.

Funny how England valiantly fought against the tyranny of the NAZI's only to enact a more "British" brand of tyranny.

Slight difference, Bob, they aren't stuffing people into gas ovens! :lol:
 

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Slight difference, Bob, they aren't stuffing people into gas ovens! :lol:

Yeah yeah, I know, but the only allies that knew they were doing that at the time were the French8O. What is funny, or stange, though, is that Germany now is a much freer country than the UK. I am quite thankful that Leipzig doesn't have many traffic cameras because I made at least 5 moving violations per day while I was there, (I managed to get it down to 3 per day by the time I left;-)).
 

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Slight difference, Bob, they aren't stuffing people into gas ovens! :lol:

Well, that's not the only thing the Nazis did, you know.

Funny how now everybody thinks the gov't should be able to snoop into everything you do, and your neighbors should be able to report anything you do that they don't like, and yet, it seems to me, that's what many of my ancestors died in the trenches of France to fight against.

And the justification is always 'if you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to fear'.

That's the biggest crock of **** yet, because everything 'law enforcement' or 'the government' does gets distorted and corrupted to other uses, and this is one shining example. We'll use cameras designed to stop theft, and we'll just use them to stop people who don't pay for insurance. Because it's easy.

Well, fuk you and the horse you rode in on. If you want to know if I've paid my goddam insurance bill, stop me, and ask for my insurance card. Otherwise, go to hell.