Obama headed for a landslide? The Republicans are tearing apart the party- Civil War

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Obama headed for a landslide?

The Republicans are tearing apart the party – They have given enough ammunition to Obama to send back their way – who ever the have as a candidate – whether by Primary or even by appointment.

Jobs are increasing – Polls are showing good numbers for Obama.
So what do you think?????

Michael Tomasky: Could Obama Be Headed for a Landslide? - The Daily Beast

How can Barack Obama, as this new NBC/Marist poll has it, be beating Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney in South Carolina, of all places? The leads are narrow—it’s just 45-42 over Romney and 46-42 over Gingrich. But still, this is South Carolina, the home state of a senator (Lindsey Graham) who, just this past Sunday on Meet the Press, was talking nullification of federal laws in the shameful style that is his state’s benighted tradition. Is it conceivable that 10 months and three weeks from now, Obama could actually win the state? If it happens, we will know that the Republicans are headed off the cliff. And that is precisely where we should all hope they go.

How Obama could win in a landslide - CNN.com

(CNN) -- TIME magazine's cover story, which hit the newsstand Thursday, argues that Latino voters will cast the deciding vote in the upcoming election.
After watching the Republican candidates lock the kryptonite that is the immigration issue around their necks during the Arizona debate, my bet is that President Barack Obama could win another term -- even if he loses key swing states such as Florida, Iowa, New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin -- but he must make sure he accomplishes one thing first: Connect with Latinos.

So how does Obama -- who has a dubious record himself on immigration -- win the Latino vote?
First he wins the ground war in the battleground states, which is door-to-door combat.
Next he outspends Republicans in Spanish-language media, just like he did John McCain in 2008, by five to one. It's no coincidence that on Tuesday, Obama did an interview with L.A.-based "Piolin," the most influential Spanish-language radio personality in the country. The president reassured Latinos that he is strongly committed to passing comprehensive immigration reform and lambasted the Republican Party for its extreme views and intransigence on the issue.

gulfnews : Fox News time for Obama

Dick Morris, veteran political operative and Fox regular, noted the phenomenon himself the other day while sitting on the Fox sofa. "This is a phenomenon of this year's election," he said. "You don't win Iowa in Iowa. You win it on this couch. You win it on Fox News." In other words, it is Fox with the largest cable news audience, representing a huge chunk of the Republican base that is, in effect, picking the party's nominee to face Obama next November.

The self-described conservative journalist Andrew Sullivan says that the dominant public figures on the right are no longer serving politicians, but "provocative, polarising media stars" who serve up enough controversy and conflict to keep the ratings high. "In that atmosphere, you need talk-show hosts as president, not governors or legislators."
Fox News and what Sullivan calls the wider "Media Industrial Complex" have not only determined the style of the viable Republican presidential candidate, but the content too. If one is to flourish rather than wither in the Fox spotlight, there are several articles of faith to which one must subscribe from refusing to believe in human-made climate change, and insisting that Christians are an embattled minority in the US, persecuted by a liberal, secular, bi-coastal elite, to believing that government regulation is always wrong, and that any attempt to tax the wealthiest people is immoral. Those who deviate are rapidly branded foreign, socialist or otherwise un-American.
 

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The GOP candidates are expected to pound each other trying to get the top spot. How quick we forget how brutal Obama and Hillary were to each other. She held out till June or July before she gave in.

As far as ammo for Obama, they haven't even started on him yet.

But I'm with MF, Obama wins a close popular vote but a substantial electoral vote.
 

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It won't be a landslide, but it will be a close win for Obamers.

The Repubs are tearing themselves apart - Romney is well, that should be descriptive enough.
Santorum - Newt - well they are drawing big bucks- Pac money is flowing in - Could be a brokered convention - Right now all Obama has to do is be Presidential - Jobs and economic numbers are improving. When Obama is polling good in Florida - That should give the Repubs pause to reflect. But I do not believe they will. The complete destruction on an election they should win, then clean house.
 

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The complete destruction on an election they should win, then clean house.

Losing a Presidential Election, although a stinger, is not the end of the world. If the GOP retains the House of Representatives the Democrats need to play ball with them. There will not be a blank check like there was his first two years.
 

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The problem with the GOP is they have let social conservatives (a.k.a. the religious right) push the entire party into extremism. They are as far to the right as the NDP is to the left in Canada. Hell, among the presidential candidates, being called a moderate is perceived as an insult, in this season of pandering to the social conservatives. Unless they correct back to the center, they will force themselves into obscurity: people may not love Obama and the Dems but they fear it less than the extremism of the GOP. At the same time, the effects of a strengthening US economy will continue to bolster Obama and make valid criticism of him harder to come by (not to say he is flawless but comparatively...).
 

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Losing a Presidential Election, although a stinger, is not the end of the world. If the GOP retains the House of Representatives the Democrats need to play ball with them. There will not be a blank check like there was his first two years.

To a point. Depends upon their political leanings. Now if a substantial number are Tea Baggers then I would agree.
 

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The problem with the GOP is they have let social conservatives (a.k.a. the religious right) push the entire party into extremism. They are as far to the right as the NDP is to the left in Canada. Hell, among the presidential candidates, being called a moderate is perceived as an insult, in this season of pandering to the social conservatives. Unless they correct back to the center, they will force themselves into obscurity: people may not love Obama and the Dems but they fear it less than the extremism of the GOP. At the same time, the effects of a strengthening US economy will continue to bolster Obama and make valid criticism of him harder to come by (not to say he is flawless but comparatively...).

The religious right have always been there. They are the ones resisting the move to center. So it is not IMO, correcting back to center.

As far as being moved into obscurity, that prediction was made twice. Once in 2006 when the GOP was swept from Congress, and after the 2008 Elections. The GOP was predicted never to recover and regain power. All they needed to do was sit back and watch the Democrats mess everything up and implode themselves. Which they did in two years.

To a point. Depends upon their political leanings. Now if a substantial number are Tea Baggers then I would agree.

If they are GOP, they lean right... unless you're Sen. Scott Brown. He can't afford to lean right 24/7. He knows he has to face my VERY Liberal State of Massachusetts during election time. His victory was an anomaly here in Massachusetts. If his opponent actually campaigned she'd be a Senator as we speak. Instead she took off to Florida for vacation after the Democrat Primaries to await her coronation. Then when asked why she's not out campaigning like Scott Brown she said...

"What do you want me to do? Go out and shake hands outside Fenway Park... in the cold?"

Ahhh yeah... it might be a good idea one would think.

That arrogance gets them Dems tossed on their butts every time. When they think it is in the bag and they are in for life.
 

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The religious right have always been there. They are the ones resisting the move to center. So it is not IMO, correcting back to center.

Yeah they have always been there but they seem to have seized control of the GOP during the Clinton years, as sort of a backlash to Slick Willy's persona. That's my take. but maybe some of it is my awareness/perspective/understanding changing.

As far as being moved into obscurity, that prediction was made twice. Once in 2006 when the GOP was swept from Congress, and after the 2008 Elections. The GOP was predicted never to recover and regain power. All they needed to do was sit back and watch the Democrats mess everything up and implode themselves. Which they did in two years.

Yeah but the GOP hasn't done anything to rise above the Dems, since the last elections, and really have looked worse in regards to things like the bickering over the debt ceiling and a lot of the partisan gamesmanship. I think this is part of the reason you hear a resurgence in talk of 3rd party alternatives: because the GOP sucks as bad, if not worse than the Dems (... not that the Canadian experience demonstrates any superior qualities in 3rd or 4th parties but many Americans aren't fully aware of that...).
 

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Yeah they have always been there but they seem to have seized control of the GOP during the Clinton years, as sort of a backlash to Slick Willy's persona. That's my take. but maybe some of it is my awareness/perspective/understanding changing.

They have been around long before Clinton. They have migrated to the GOP because of the Nanny State seizing control of the Democrat Party.


Yeah but the GOP hasn't done anything to rise above the Dems, since the last elections, and really have looked worse in regards to things like the bickering over the debt ceiling and a lot of the partisan gamesmanship.

They were elected to do what they are doing. Partisan ism is not a GOP invention. Debt ceiling... our debt WAS out of control when Obama took office. He TRIPLED it! There is no more money to pay for all this without borrowing it from China. They own us already.



I think this is part of the reason you hear a resurgence in talk of 3rd party alternatives: because the GOP sucks as bad, if not worse than the Dems (... not that the Canadian experience demonstrates any superior qualities in 3rd or 4th parties but many Americans aren't fully aware of that...).

Like Ross Perot and the Independent Party? The Democrat Party would love it. A strong third party would ensure Democrats rule forever. If I was the Democrats I'd help start it like they did here in Massachusetts. Last Governor election they had a lifetime Democrat and political Democrat hack SUDDENLY break away from the Democrat Party and run as an Independent assuring the reelection of the Democrat Gov.
 

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The problem with the GOP is they have let social conservatives (a.k.a. the religious right) push the entire party into extremism. They are as far to the right as the NDP is to the left in Canada. Hell, among the presidential candidates, being called a moderate is perceived as an insult, in this season of pandering to the social conservatives. Unless they correct back to the center, they will force themselves into obscurity: people may not love Obama and the Dems but they fear it less than the extremism of the GOP. At the same time, the effects of a strengthening US economy will continue to bolster Obama and make valid criticism of him harder to come by (not to say he is flawless but comparatively...).

social conservatives
that,s a very kind thing to label the worlds premier collection of ignorant religious fanatics

At the same time, the effects of a strengthening US economy
I don,t know where you ,re looking but are you talking about the same terminal economic disaster that I,m viewing from here? 33% unemployment does not indicate strengthening, it indicates grand depression

a strengthening US economy will continue to bolster Obama and make valid criticism of him harder to come by (not to say he is flawless but comparatively...)
Valid criticism of this parasitical traitor thief and liar to the human genome may be had by the rail car load on any corner in the blighted US nation. He is bolstered by dirty money and an insane electorate and nothing else.
 

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some of you people are so full of it obama is and will win, second the gop is not going to get anything at all for there crap serivce in congress.... and thirldy obama didn't really have a choice but to spend money... money is coming back in... one war is over another one should be as well.... china does not own the usa..... you can say that all you want... not the case
 

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some of you people are so full of it Obama is and will win, second the gop is not going to get anything at all for there crap service in congress.... and thirldy obama didn't really have a choice but to spend money... money is coming back in... one war is over another one should be as well.... china does not own the usa..... you can say that all you want... not the case

China owns about 2 trillion in bonds. The social programs are not funded for the future. The economy has had a structural change. Gone are the days when a downturn in the Northwest where people would move to areas that had better employment. These were mostly persons with low skill sets. It was noted 20 years ago that the US turns out 20 lawyers for 1 engineer- There is a shortage of high skilled labor. The ones with out these skills will face huge challenges for employment.
 

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some of you people are so full of it obama is and will win, second the gop is not going to get anything at all for there crap serivce in congress.... and thirldy obama didn't really have a choice but to spend money... money is coming back in... one war is over another one should be as well.... china does not own the usa..... you can say that all you want... not the case

The voice of the Democrat Party!

All that in one sentence too!

some of you people are so full of it obama is and will win,

Lmao
 

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He is from New Hampshire so that explains a lot.

A youngun ya say.;-)

As I mentioned the party is tearing itself apart.

Romney’s Challenge in Ohio | Swampland | TIME.com

Just hours after grinding out an ugly win in Michigan, Mitt Romney packed his bags for Ohio, another recession-racked Midwestern state where he’ll have to surmount similar demographic challenges without the benefits of home-field advantage.

In Michigan, Romney and Rick Santorum cobbled together vastly different coalitions. Exit polls showed that Romney’s primary redoubt were the affluent Oakland County suburbs around Detroit, while Santorum prevailed in rural, more conservative swaths of Northern and Western Michigan. Beyond the geographic divide, which tracks a pattern that dates back to Iowa, there were divides of faith and class. Both presage trouble for Romney in the Buckeye State showdown.


Despite Santorum’s devout Catholicism, Romney beat Santorum, 44% to 37%, among Michigan Catholics, who comprised 30% of the state’s electorate. In Ohio, by contrast, Catholics were just one-quarter of the vote in 2008. Meanwhile, Santorum trounced Romney among Michigan’s Evangelicals by sixteen points. Such voters amounted to 39% of the vote in the Wolverine State. Four years ago, evangelicals made up 44% of the Ohio electorate.
A bigger hurdle for Romney is class. Throughout the 2012 primary, the former leveraged-buyout executive has struggled to connect with working-class workers, a deficiency that he underlined with a series of clunkers in Michigans, from his wife’s Cadillacs to his Nascar-owner pals to his strange crack that suggested as passel of poncho-wearing supporters were cheap. Romney’s strength among wealthy Republicans and weakness among its working-class set was made plain in Michigan, where he dominated Santorum 48% to 34% among the one-third of the electorate earning more than $100,000 per year but lost the two-thirds who make less than six figures. Though Michigan was ravaged by the recession, Ohio is a less affluent state: in 2008, just 21% of Buckeye State Republican voters reported earning six-figure salaries.
 

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A youngun ya say.;-)

As I mentioned the party is tearing itself apart.
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It is election season and they all want the top spot. So yes, they are going to do their very best to win. Until there is only one standing they are going to be swinging hard at each other.