Anonymous threatens cyber crusade against Israel

[Just the Facts]

Another lame attempt to attribute false statements to me. You are pathetic JTF. You know that I have no problem recognizing any attack directed at any civilians including children as a war crime.

Yes, but a brave war crime.

The attack I was referring to was this one:

If you can demonstrate to me that the bomber had foreknowledge that the club would be filled with IDF soldiers at a birthday party, and specifically targeted it because of that, then I will owe you an apology. In the meantime I will continue believing that the overwhelming likelihood is that the bomber targeted the nightclub because it was a crowded place, and the presence of the IDF reunion was an accident of circumstance.

Honestly, I'm unsure how to classify this attack. Most of the victims appear to have been off duty IDF soldiers. If any civilians were killed, then they would be what the IDF and US military define as "colateral" damage. As far as I know, no children were killed in that night club bombing. The attacker could have hit another target which was softer than a night club full of off duty IDF soldiers.

Hmmm. Being full of off duty IDF soldiers didn't seem to harden the target at all now, did it. Kinda throws a wrench into your version of events there, doesn't it. We both know the bomber didn't go look for a "softer" target, because he had no idea that the club was full of IDF soldiers celebrating a birthday, and the fact that it was, didn't make one iota of difference. I guess IDF soldiers really suck at spotting and neutralizing threats, huh EAO?

The suicide bomber might have been insane with anger and hate, but I'd rate them as more brave than an armed soldier hiding behind 11 year old girl as she searches for hostile armed militants with a gun at her back.

Killing children (yes I consider teens and tweens in a nightclub children, even if they are off duty soldiers, call me old if you like) because you believe you will be rewarded with 72 eternal virgins in paradise is not brave. In fact, it's the pinnacle of cowardice.

Tell you what, JTF, why don't you try to explain the IDF soldier's actions in a way that makes abducting and using an 11 year old girl as a human shield and forcing her at gun point to search for armed militants in a way that makes the soldiers sound more brave than the above suicide bomber.... I predict you will ignore this challenge and call me a joo-hating antiSemite

I predict your straw man will burn faster than a dried haystack doused in napalm. Seriously EAO, even from you, I would expect a little more. You call that a challenge? Firstly, who suggested that using an 11 year old girl as a human shield was brave? That's right, nobody except you. Secondly, I already addressed your "challenge" above, before even being "challenged", lol. Thirdly, you've confused me with you. You're the one who disappears when I own your arguments, after calling me a war crime supporting Jew loving Israeli apologist. And oh yeah, the newest one: "pathetic". roflmao. Hypocracy much?

 

[earth_as_one]

It's called bait ... as in trolling - a TOS violation.

Why do you think I should accept a video as fact? Jumping through hoops is one of the safest things to do - especially if one's butt is on the line. Much crow have I eaten in this lifetime - but only justly cooked. I don't buy into anything from the Muddled East. I've seen too much to trust it.

The BBC is a fairly reliable source. A ruling against the IDF using human shields by the Israeli Supreme Court and the IDF's appeal wouldn't make any sense unless the IDF was using Palestinians as human shields. Both B'Tselem and Amnesty International are internationally recognized human rights groups with a solid reputation of researching the facts and publishing balanced reports. BTW, both groups condemn Palestinian and Israeli war crimes, just like I do.

I want to know ,
give me a small answer please ..
does Israel on right in kill Palestinians ?

Self defense is a legitimate reason for lethal violence. Both sides can claim at times they are defending themselves and both sides are guilty of unprovoked violence.

 

[SaiaF]

Self defense is a legitimate reason for lethal violence. Both sides can claim at times they are defending themselves and both sides are guilty of unprovoked violence.

I'm sorry but you are wrong .
give me video about Palestinians had did kill another people ?

 

[lone wolf]

I'm sorry but you are wrong .
give me video about Palestinians had did kill another people ?

Have you ever heard of a dynamite vest?

 

[Just the Facts]

I'm sorry but you are wrong .
give me video about Palestinians had did kill another people ?

Enjoy our freedom of press while you're here. Take full advantage of it. You have some catching up to do.

I would be happy to help your research, but I <cough> agree <choke> with <gag> EAO. (Whew, that wasn't easy ) We're getting off topic here, there are plenty of threads here where this discussion would be more appropriate, or I guess we can always start another Israel thread and start fresh lol.

 

[earth_as_one]

Yes, but a brave war crime.



If you can demonstrate to me that the bomber had foreknowledge that the club would be filled with IDF soldiers at a birthday party, and specifically targeted it because of that, then I will owe you an apology. In the meantime I will continue believing that the overwhelming likelihood is that the bomber targeted the nightclub because it was a crowded place, and the presence of the IDF reunion was an accident of circumstance.



Hmmm. Being full of off duty IDF soldiers didn't seem to harden the target at all now, did it. Kinda throws a wrench into your version of events there, doesn't it. We both know the bomber didn't go look for a "softer" target, because he had no idea that the club was full of IDF soldiers celebrating a birthday, and the fact that it was, didn't make one iota of difference. I guess IDF soldiers really suck at spotting and neutralizing threats, huh EAO?



Killing children (yes I consider teens and tweens in a nightclub children, even if they are off duty soldiers, call me old if you like) because you believe you will be rewarded with 72 eternal virgins in paradise is not brave. In fact, it's the pinnacle of cowardice.



I predict your straw man will burn faster than a dried haystack doused in napalm. Seriously EAO, even from you, I would expect a little more. You call that a challenge? Firstly, who suggested that using an 11 year old girl as a human shield was brave? That's right, nobody except you. Secondly, I already addressed your "challenge" above, before even being "challenged", lol. Thirdly, you've confused me with you. You're the one who disappears when I own your arguments, after calling me a war crime supporting Jew loving Israeli apologist. And oh yeah, the newest one: "pathetic". roflmao. Hypocracy much?

Read what I wrote JTF... Of the two events, the suicide bomber was braver than the IDF soldiers who hid behind an 11 year old girl. I know its your style to attribute to me things I never wrote. Also I wrote I was unsure of what to make of the night club bombing. I suspect that night club was a known favorite of IDF soldiers, which was why it was targeting. I am against child soldiers. Are you saying that the IDF uses child soldiers? That a new one. Care to back that statement up with a reference?

I find racist and religious stereotypes about Muslims as distasteful as one about Jews. I'm a Jew lover just like you. But unlike you, I also love Muslims and I'm against all war criminals and people who commit crimes against humanity regardless of race or religion.

Sorry folks, that's all the time I have for this.

Adieu

 

[Just the Facts]

Sorry folks, that's all the time I have for this.
Adieu

Cut!

And that's a wrap.

lol.

 

[DaSleeper]

Read what I wrote JTF... Of the two events, the suicide bomber was braver than the IDF soldiers who hid behind an 11 year old girl. I know its your style to attribute to me things I never wrote. Also I wrote I was unsure of what to make of the night club bombing. I suspect that night club was a known favorite of IDF soldiers, which was why it was targeting. I am against child soldiers. Are you saying that the IDF uses child soldiers? That a new one. Care to back that statement up with a reference?

I find racist and religious stereotypes about Muslims as distasteful as one about Jews. I'm a Jew lover just like you. But unlike you, I also love Muslims and I'm against all war criminals and people who commit crimes against humanity regardless of race or religion.

Sorry folks, that's all the time I have for this.

Adieu

As in never to be seen again??:smile: No shyte???:lol:

Whiner - YouTube

 

[Liberalman]

The madman from Iran is ready to strike but if it were up to the people of Iran peace would be a better plan. It is time for Israel and Iran to negotiate a peace treaty.

 

[Just the Facts]

The madman from Iran is ready to strike but if it were up to the people of Iran peace would be a better plan. It is time for Israel and Iran to negotiate a peace treaty.

If we could negotiate with the people of Iran that would be a grand solution. Unfortunately...not the case. The annointed one has been holding out his unclenched fist for over 3 years now. In return, the Iranian regime mocks him. How do you negotiate with that?

 

[lone wolf]

I get it.... You-lie-and-I'll-swear-to-it makes it absolute. I'm still not saying IDF didn't use a human shield and I'm not saying they did. I'm saying there has been so much bullshyte come out of that drama that it's hard to know where the truth ends and the propaganda begins. It's easy enough to lie to Al Jazeera, the BBC, CNN. the President or even cops -especially if one happens to be saying what they're tuned to hear.

 

[MHz]

If I could give you multiple thumbs up for this I would.

A decision based of both of you being Jewish rather than you agreeing with his view of the thermodynamic properties of structural steel when subjected to heat /stress. If not please enlightem me on your version that accounts for the NIST report being physically possible.

Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear

I didn't 'clam up'. Which is why you have me on ignore. You didn't like the fact that every time you opened your mouth, I helped you insert your own foot.

But please, do carry on, your delusional version of reality and how you convey it via drivel is entertaining.

I agree. Your constant and repetitious posting of extreme cases, leveled against Israel as a whole, trying to portray it as standard behavior of Israeli and thusly, Jews. Is an excellent example of that very prejudicial, and intolerant bigotry, that you have for Jews.

Which of course brings us back to...​

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Meanwhile my frozen mukluk has been kicking your ass down the road like it was a frozen horse turd. You are still using the same old lies too, boring and a liar, key ingredients on that one way trip to Iggyland (just till you have sat on Jesus's lap)

Like I need your permission, still this would be a rare occasion as part of the usual suspects trying to puff himself up without actually going so far as to address me himself. lol You sure you even wany critters like that clinging to you? Oh yeah, the collective, the church promotes getting the leaven out of the church rather than try to attract it all into one place. lol
Like sniping, didn't ger pop a few gaskets when I pointed out that Baghdad sniper was a legal way of fighting a war when the odds are stacked against you? Can't have it both ways, well you can but that makes you two faced.

I haven't put Israel in one headline, they keep doing it themselves. If it seem like I post many things that is because nobody else is making headlines in the same volume, they are at about 5% as often. hint, hint. Why are Jews (the ones on this thread in particular) so reluctant to agree that if the IDF can drop (Syrian) civilians from 1/4 mile away when there is a strong fence between the two and still claim that Syrian troops cannot open fire on a hostile crowd that has already killed some of your members. I would be happy to post the details of the point blank executions that took place on the high-seas once they determined they had the right to use deadly force. Dig up the actual paperwork and post it if it doesn't support Syria's right to use live rounds. Turkish commandos are on the record of saying they would have used live ammo sooner had they been coming down on lines. If that seems like a thing against Jews in particular then guilty I am. If one side uses an action and it is deemed 'legal' then it is still legal when the other side uses the same tactic.

If this sniping incident leaves me with the taste that Israel would shoot people who came to a funeral if it helped their 'public image' then I just can't admire that sort of behavior and I hope I never will be able to. Jews also freely admit to be trying to influence politics in more than 1 nation other than Israel, while telling everybody they have no business even saying anything about how Israel runs their place, again arrogant is well shy of the best description for that attitude. There you go, bitchin and whinin and cryin that I'm persecuting you, make it a fantasy issue so you don't have to reply to the physics questions.

Shirley Bear, that must bring us up to date, now back in your box.

 

[L Gilbert]

I showed how the NIST report was valid long ago and showed how your arguments were based purely on suppositions. You simply refuse to accept evidence.

 

[CDNBear]

A decision based of both of you being Jewish rather than you agreeing with his view of the thermodynamic properties of structural steel when subjected to heat /stress.

LOL, Gh the Catholic, Jewish? Bear the Native, Jewish?

Up the meds Mhz.

If not please enlightem me on your version that accounts for the NIST report being physically possible.

Already did, in several 9/11 threads. By all means, go dig one up, I'll bury you again.

Meanwhile my frozen mukluk has been kicking your ass down the road like it was a frozen horse turd. You are still using the same old lies too, boring and a liar, key ingredients on that one way trip to Iggyland (just till you have sat on Jesus's lap)

That would fall under your delusional version of reality.

Like I need your permission, still this would be a rare occasion as part of the usual suspects trying to puff himself up without actually going so far as to address me himself. lol You sure you even wany critters like that clinging to you? Oh yeah, the collective, the church promotes getting the leaven out of the church rather than try to attract it all into one place. lol
Like sniping, didn't ger pop a few gaskets when I pointed out that Baghdad sniper was a legal way of fighting a war when the odds are stacked against you? Can't have it both ways, well you can but that makes you two faced.

That would fall under the drivel.

I haven't put Israel in one headline, they keep doing it themselves. If it seem like I post many things that is because nobody else is making headlines in the same volume, they are at about 5% as often. hint, hint. Why are Jews (the ones on this thread in particular) so reluctant to agree that if the IDF can drop (Syrian) civilians from 1/4 mile away when there is a strong fence between the two and still claim that Syrian troops cannot open fire on a hostile crowd that has already killed some of your members. I would be happy to post the details of the point blank executions that took place on the high-seas once they determined they had the right to use deadly force. Dig up the actual paperwork and post it if it doesn't support Syria's right to use live rounds. Turkish commandos are on the record of saying they would have used live ammo sooner had they been coming down on lines. If that seems like a thing against Jews in particular then guilty I am. If one side uses an action and it is deemed 'legal' then it is still legal when the other side uses the same tactic.

If this sniping incident leaves me with the taste that Israel would shoot people who came to a funeral if it helped their 'public image' then I just can't admire that sort of behavior and I hope I never will be able to. Jews also freely admit to be trying to influence politics in more than 1 nation other than Israel, while telling everybody they have no business even saying anything about how Israel runs their place, again arrogant is well shy of the best description for that attitude. There you go, bitchin and whinin and cryin that I'm persecuting you, make it a fantasy issue so you don't have to reply to the physics questions.

That falls under a new category, babble.

Shirley Bear, that must bring us up to date, now back in your box.

Your atrocious spelling aside. It only brings us up to date in your little mangled version of reality.

I showed how the NIST report was valid long ago and showed how your arguments were based purely on suppositions. You simply refuse to accept evidence.

So I'm not the only one that wasted the time trying to educate Mhz.

Oh well, I guess to be a good Jew hater, you have to be a complete liar, Mhz does both well.

 

[lone wolf]

Seriously, Bear.... Is your name REALLY Shirley?

 

[MHz]

Let's go matimatical right from the start. The floor joists were connected to the inner and outer columns vai a bolt that was about 1in in dia, correct or not? Could a bolt that size bend two box columns that are a few feet in circumference and at least 1/4 in wall thickness. (discounting any extra strength introduced by all the internal bracing between adjoining columns)

Go ahead agree with this assessment then post the relative strengths of all related components. (including the sag factor of 4in of concrete floor pad)

(in part)
Photographic evidence proves beyond a doubt that floors sagged, pulling perimeter columns in. An event some conspiracy sites suggest never happened.
Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Sagging Trusses and Bowed Columns


The highest temperatures estimated for the samples was 250 ºC (482 ºF). That's consistent with the results of fire tests in uninsulated steel-framed parking garages, which showed maximum steel temperatures of 360 ºC (680 ºF). How interesting then, that NIST's sagging truss model has the truss heated to 700 ºC (1292 ºF).
A floor section was modeled to investigate failure modes and sequences of failures under combined gravity and thermal loads. The floor section was heated to 700 ºC (with a linear thermal gradient through the slab thickness from 700 ºC to 300 ºC at the top surface of the slab) over a period of 30 min. Initially the thermal expansion of the floor pushed the columns outward, but with increased temperatures, the floor sagged and the columns were pulled inward. (p 98/148)
NIST Conceals the Controlled Demolition of the Twin Towers

 

[L Gilbert]

Given the level of idiocy in Mhz' posts, I was under the impression, he was misspelling "surely".

I didn't give much thought to the fact that his idiocy could have caused him to mistake me for a woman, named Shirley.

But I guess it could.

Shirley Goldberg?

 

[CDNBear]

Let's go matimatical right from the start.

Take it to an appropriate thread.

 

[MHz]

Shirley Goldberg?

Shirley You-jest. More to do with limp-wristed arguments that fly in the face of science.

AE911Truth - Derek Johnson - "Engineering Destruction" 7/11/09. - YouTube

 

[earth_as_one]

I get it.... You-lie-and-I'll-swear-to-it makes it absolute. I'm still not saying IDF didn't use a human shield and I'm not saying they did. I'm saying there has been so much bullshyte come out of that drama that it's hard to know where the truth ends and the propaganda begins. It's easy enough to lie to Al Jazeera, the BBC, CNN. the President or even cops -especially if one happens to be saying what they're tuned to hear.

Another kind of nonsense.

You refused to change your opinion regarding the IDF's known use of civilians as human shields after I brought it to your attention that the Israeli Supreme Court banned the IDF from using civilians as human shields. You refuse to provide an alternative explanation of why the Israeli Supreme Court would feel it necessary to pass such a ban if some IDF soldiers weren't using civilians as human shields.

Israel's supreme court has banned the use of Palestinian human shields in arrest raids, saying the practice violates international law.

Israeli soldiers make a Palestinian resident enter a house in Nablus in August 2002
The court issued a temporary injunction against the practice in 2002 after a teenager was killed when troops made him negotiate with a wanted militant...
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Israel bans use of human shields

You claim I post lies and make unsupported propaganda, after I referenced mutually supporting reports by the BBC and Israeli human rights group B'Tselem which support my statement that some IDF soldiers used an 11 year old girl as a human shield. The BBC report even had footage of some armed IDF soldiers forcing a civilian at gunpoint to act as a human shield. You even tried to claim the 11 year old girl forced at gunpoint to search for armed militants was probably a voluntary collaborator as a way to explain this girl's actions, even though her statement claims armed soldiers made her walk in front of them and threatened to put her in jail or kill her if she didn't cooperate.

I don't have to "lie-and-I'll-swear-to-it" that some IDF soldiers have used Palestinian civilians as human shields. The BBC, B'Tselem, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and even IDF soldiers themselves have all claimed that some IDF soldiers use civilians as human shields. I only have to reference them. What you can you reference to support your belief that the IDF does not use civilians as human shields? I can reference the Israeli military's appeal of the civilian human shield ban ruling to support my statements.

IDF to appeal human shield ban
The Israeli Defence Ministry will appeal against a supreme court ruling banning the use of Palestinian human shields in raids, officials said.
Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz is prepared to make a personal appearance in court to defend the practice, ministry officials added.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4333982.stm