Attack on Iran would be ‘suicidal’ for U.S.: ambassador

[earth_as_one]

Who said anything about invading the country? NATO could easily reign massive destruction from the air without having to lay a boot into Iran.

I'm in no mood for another war but Iran seems intent on going that route.

Which would accomplish what? Create more images of dead children on TV? Make millions of Iranians angry? Solidify Iranian cleric control? Nothing short of an invasion/occupation can stop the Iranian from doing what they want. So far, they claim they don't want nuclear weapons. Until I see evidence which contradicts their statements, and they continue to allow IAEA inspections of their nuclear sites, we should accept their word that they have no intention of building nuclear weapons. A bombing campaign would probably change their minds about the deterrence value of nukes.

Just how do you guage their intentions? Is it because they are not bowing down to lick the boots of the oh-so-great USA and give up their sovereignty to comply with western demands and interference.

Iran is a sovereign nation and has every right under international law to govern itself how it sees fit and even produce nuclear weapons if it wants. No other country has the right to say different.

Iran could build nuclear weapons, but it would violate their NPT agreements. I am aware that Iran's adversaries don't respect the NPT, but Iran does respect all mandatory parts and the voluntary parts that it ratified.... so far.

Iranians, like Canadians are proud of their nuclear program. They've had no serious accidents and they've mastered most nuclear technologies except nuclear weapons. If the US and Israel threatened Canada over our peaceful nuclear program, we'd probably react about the same way as the Iranians.

 

[L Gilbert]

The oil companies raise the price when there is a rain storm in the Gulf of Mexico.

They also go up when the stock market hears some oil CEO's toe was stubbed on his way to the watercooler.

If the US goes to war again who will finance them? China owns the majority of the US Bearer Bonds, Britain, Germany and Italy are almost bankrupt. The UN efforts in Afghanistan are whjat keeps that comnflict going. The US right now has a big decisoon to make. 1) Keep theur nose out of other nations business. OR 2) Get in line and get ready to be the third rate power they are rapidly becoming. Right now he US is almost financially destitute.

Really? Last time I looked (early last year I think), the net value of the USA was something between $50 and $60 trillion.
China is pretty much in the same sort of rut as the USA, too.

 

[EagleSmack]

If the US goes to war again who will finance them? China owns the majority of the US Bearer Bonds, Britain, Germany and Italy are almost bankrupt. The UN efforts in Afghanistan are whjat keeps that comnflict going. The US right now has a big decisoon to make. 1) Keep theur nose out of other nations business. OR 2) Get in line and get ready to be the third rate power they are rapidly becoming. Right now he US is almost financially destitute.

If this happens... what will all the haters complain about then?

Talk about ruining people's fun.

 

[Cliffy]

Tehran Pushes to Ditch the US Dollar

The official line from the United States and the European Union is that Tehran must be punished for continuing its efforts to develop a nuclear weapon. The punishment: sanctions on Iran's oil exports, which are meant to isolate Iran and depress the value of its currency to such a point that the country crumbles.
But that line doesn't make sense, and the sanctions will not achieve their goals. Iran is far from isolated and its friends - like India - will stand by the oil-producing nation until the US either backs down or acknowledges the real matter at hand. That matter is the American dollar and its role as the global reserve currency.
The short version of the story is that a 1970s deal cemented the US dollar as the only currency to buy and sell crude oil, and from that monopoly on the all-important oil trade the US dollar slowly but surely became the reserve currency for global trades in most commodities and goods. Massive demand for US dollars ensued, pushing the dollar's value up, up, and away. In addition, countries stored their excess US dollars savings in US Treasuries, giving the US government a vast pool of credit from which to draw.
We know where that situation led - to a US government suffocating in debt while its citizens face stubbornly high unemployment (due in part to the high value of the dollar); a failed real estate market; record personal-debt burdens; a bloated banking system; and a teetering economy. That is not the picture of a world superpower worthy of the privileges gained from having its currency back global trade. Other countries are starting to see that and are slowly but surely moving away from US dollars in their transactions, starting with oil.
If the US dollar loses its position as the global reserve currency, the consequences for America are dire. A major portion of the dollar's valuation stems from its lock on the oil industry - if that monopoly fades, so too will the value of the dollar. Such a major transition in global fiat currency relationships will bode well for some currencies and not so well for others, and the outcomes will be challenging to predict. But there is one outcome that we foresee with certainty: Gold will rise. Uncertainty around [COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important]paper [/FONT][COLOR=blue !important][FONT=inherit !important]money[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] always bodes well for gold, and these are uncertain days indeed.


Full story here: The Petrodollar, Iran, and Gold

IRAN: Follow the Money (with Foster Gamble) - YouTube!

 

[MHz]

Perhaps Iran can see the writing on the wall, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now Syria in the gun-sites. With the gold issue bring war perhaps Iran can force the US to take them on before Syria and that change could upset their apple-cart. Syria supporting Iran is more dangerous than Iran supporting Syria in a lengthy heavy combat situation.

The illuminati Exposed By Muammar Gaddafi - YouTube

 

[Ocean Breeze]

No wait.... I wasn't even fooled the first time and I called BS on the whole Iraq WMD fiasco.... turned out I was right, as were many others around the world.

If a war starts with Iran, we will all know full well who started it, and it'll be the same jokers who started the last two wars

EXACTLY !! And that has NOTHING to do with silly picking of sides. It is an objective assessment of the war starting dynamic.

Does anyone actually expect Iran to sit there quietly as it is being accused, bashed, degraded and blamed by the so called "west"

These accusations cannot be substantiated. But the zombies will swallow the propaganda and be off to start another war on the grounds of some heresay.

The fact is that ALL parties are responsible......for intensifying this situation. Israel has its war loving paws in there. The US role is obvious to anyone who does not live in an igloo. , (without technology) , the UK wants part of this and Canada (shamefully) is mouthing off similar crap .....without PROOF.

Yes......another series of lies by the usual buffoons.

Wat is a LOT More concerning is watching the empire going out of control with its love of wars, violence and aggressive "solutions" to issues that it usually creates by itself ......as that gives the empire , in its own mind, an excuse to contine to play the world war loving cop. If it isn't war, it is political assassinations. The weapons mentality has over taken sound judgement , reason and any semblance of humanitarianism.

Of course, Irans tactics are not doing it any favors..... but when did Iran actually attack another nation ??

Do these war loving nations ever think of the millions of innocent in the population of targetted nations and how their life is affected by these constant threats and bullying??

Of all nations........the US (for eg) should be very aware of what it is like to live in fear. As stated before........the 9-11 event was a gift that keeps on giving......politically, psychologically, culturally .

There is NO Way the US would have gotten away with invading Afghanistan, Iraq if that event had not happened. The empire knew they hit pay dirt with the "even't. Considering how many the US has slaughtered In revenge and other policital motives.....it puts the 4000 they lost on 9-11 on a different objective light.

Who is memorializing all the Iraqi killed?? Afghans.....and other victims of the US wrath and agenda?? Are their lives less significant to the american ones??? IF that is the attitude.......than a very deadly virus has influenced such a mindset.
(while at it......which nation is the ONLY one to use an ATOM Bomb (a
test of the weapn and complete OVERKILL )on a population slaughtering millions and creating health problems for many many more??? Who is memorializing them?? Who has a stash of weaponry that can destroy this planet in what would be an infintismal moment and yet yelps when anyone might consider having some as a deterent of the empires tentacles??

The only ones taking sides are those that are so pro war aka pro american/ (and other warmongering nations...Those that prefer war as the first option.-regardless of nation)

Evidence counts.

~~Gilbert

indeed. EVIDENCE is IMPERATIVE. particularly when one plans to destroy a nation and its population . War is NOT a first option as has been evidenced by the empire.

(an aside) but saw a documentary on Knowledge network........about the Roman Empire, its culture and its love of aggression.It's arrogance , its "pride" and its addiction to power . It was de ja vue all over again.......but with more lethal weaponry. Lies were lies then as they are now. Manipulating politicians haven't changed that much......except now they have more sophisticated media to manipulate en masse.

Humans seem to have trouble learning from their own history.

 

[MHz]

Humans seem to have trouble learning from their own history.

Maybe that sort of lesson isn't even on the books, rather than us being slow on the uptake. The only ones meant to hear the deception are the 'genera public' of the nations that make up 'the west'.

If I promise to give you something and then just before that actually happens something goes wrong that results in that promise never being fulfilled and the ones who became unable are given pity for something they never planed on delivering on in the first place, let alone got prevented from delivering. For our own sake I hope we just are having trouble learning, breaking that in the future will be harder because anything in opposition just won't be reprinted.

I'm pretty sure the Hague has some guidelines on what a 'spy' does in terms of legality (gather information) and being an act of war and as such demand conduct governed by documents such as war crimes where civilians are harmed. In Civilian Courts it comes as a 'conspiracy to .... ' charge. NATO supplying or shipping arms to encourage civil unrest would not be tolerated if it was done on their soil. That should be tell-tale by itself but facing a court in the nation where the crime takes place is the 'normal' way a spy trial unfolds.

Even the pre-trial Judge in the STL investigation took 6 weeks (or so) to reach a decision that should have had out by .next business day' by working (reading a few pages that would have been just updates or summations)through the long weekend and having the determination on the Bench by 9:30 AM local time. That speed is hardly one to make a criminal pause in thought about being held liable in a reasonable amount of time.

 

[EagleSmack]

Perhaps Iran can see the writing on the wall, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now Syria in the gun-sites. With the gold issue bring war perhaps Iran can force the US to take them on before Syria and that change could upset their apple-cart. Syria supporting Iran is more dangerous than Iran supporting Syria in a lengthy heavy combat situation.

What a warmonger you are.

Who is memorializing all the Iraqi killed?? Afghans.....and other victims of the US wrath and agenda??

Conveniently left out the Lybians eh?

(while at it......which nation is the ONLY one to use an ATOM Bomb (a
test of the weapn and complete OVERKILL )on a population slaughtering millions and creating health problems for many many more??? Who is memorializing them??
.

The Atom Bomb slaughtered millions?

 

[MHz]

What a warmonger you are.

Not at all, nobody is entering foreign lands and making mischief on my orders, however the usual suspects are still licking blood off their fingers.

Revolutionary Politics::Revolutionary Politics : "Israel Using Terrorist Groups To Carry Out Attacks"

 

[Liberalman]

War creates good American jobs because of the high demand for bullets and bombs.

 

[EagleSmack]

Not at all, nobody is entering foreign lands and making mischief on my orders, however the usual suspects are still licking blood off their fingers.

Nobody is doing that on my orders either... or anyone here on CanCon.

But that is not what makes a warmonger.

You love it... war... you love talking about it... you dream about it... you obsess about it... and you keep posting about it. Ongoing wars, past wars, and predicting future wars.

You're a warmonger.

 

[MHz]

It's like I get up in the morning, open up the paper, and there it is , war, in some form, they say it will drive you crazy, for example, the GCC, 6 nations telling Iran what to do inside it's country. Even more deeply involved in that in Syria at the moment. According to the article Kuwait and Saudi Arabia open supported Iran in the Iraq/Iran war and here Saudi Arabia is complaining about Iran doing what inside their country, telling women they have the right to drive? I would imagine their support based on humanitarian issues are not published at home.

(in part)
In addition, the Gulf Cooperation Council comprising of Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, have called on Iran to "stop interfering in the internal affairs" of their nations.
Larijani Warns Gulf Arab States not to Side with U.S.

I notice Kuwait was supporting Saddam at the same time their nations was slant drilling into his oil, can't ask for a better Allie than that award of the year but it is typical behavior if you put 40 Lawyers into a room.

I can see what Turkey would have to gain, UN sponsored control over Syria, same as the French have in Lebanon. (the French were even reluctant to release their bomb test data on the assassination the STL is covering and it must have been pretty good as they trucked in dirt from the actual area the bomb went off in) Hezbullah just has to learn to operate that way in the STL investigation, turn in the ones wanted to the Hague, have a threat made to their safety and then the UN is picking up the tab for the accommodations, say something like the banker accused of rape in NY. Then everybody can settle in for a 20 year trial. Much better than actual war don't you think? With the amount the US could make by turning in it's crooks they could eliminate the poverty in the 99%.
No use wasteing all those new bills that got passed in the last decade, just move it up one notch and give the 'rights' to the UN Courts over the Politicians and Bankers and Capitalists' and the citizens have the duty to turn them in if any crime is witnesses and the 24/7 watch they wanted on John Q. Public is something they and their family get.
Not one speck of war and if broadcast to the world (even the villages with two tents) the Trials would be a hit series, use the 20 year one as a base and shuffle in unrelated ones that are 'emergencies' as they are currently unfolding.

If that plays out, CDN and the USA could start a fake war, turn people in for a reward and turn that over to the community as a source of revenue, finish off that 1812 one, it must be up for renewal by now. Let's leave that as Plan 'B', as some might take it for real and hurt themselves in the excitement of the moment.

 

[EagleSmack]

It's like I get up in the morning, open up the paper, and there it is , war, in some form, they say it will drive you crazy, for example, the GCC, 6 nations telling Iran what to do inside it's country. Even more deeply involved in that in Syria at the moment. According to the article Kuwait and Saudi Arabia open supported Iran in the Iraq/Iran war and here Saudi Arabia is complaining about Iran doing what inside their country, telling women they have the right to drive? I would imagine their support based on humanitarian issues are not published at home.

(in part)
In addition, the Gulf Cooperation Council comprising of Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, have called on Iran to "stop interfering in the internal affairs" of their nations.
Larijani Warns Gulf Arab States not to Side with U.S.

I notice Kuwait was supporting Saddam at the same time their nations was slant drilling into his oil, can't ask for a better Allie than that award of the year but it is typical behavior if you put 40 Lawyers into a room.

I can see what Turkey would have to gain, UN sponsored control over Syria, same as the French have in Lebanon. (the French were even reluctant to release their bomb test data on the assassination the STL is covering and it must have been pretty good as they trucked in dirt from the actual area the bomb went off in) Hezbullah just has to learn to operate that way in the STL investigation, turn in the ones wanted to the Hague, have a threat made to their safety and then the UN is picking up the tab for the accommodations, say something like the banker accused of rape in NY. Then everybody can settle in for a 20 year trial. Much better than actual war don't you think? With the amount the US could make by turning in it's crooks they could eliminate the poverty in the 99%.
No use wasteing all those new bills that got passed in the last decade, just move it up one notch and give the 'rights' to the UN Courts over the Politicians and Bankers and Capitalists' and the citizens have the duty to turn them in if any crime is witnesses and the 24/7 watch they wanted on John Q. Public is something they and their family get.
Not one speck of war and if broadcast to the world (even the villages with two tents) the Trials would be a hit series, use the 20 year one as a base and shuffle in unrelated ones that are 'emergencies' as they are currently unfolding.

If that plays out, CDN and the USA could start a fake war, turn people in for a reward and turn that over to the community as a source of revenue, finish off that 1812 one, it must be up for renewal by now. Let's leave that as Plan 'B', as some might take it for real and hurt themselves in the excitement of the moment.

You prove my point yet again... war war war. Wars, past wars... now even fake wars.

You're a warmonger.