What would YOU want to hear at church?

[Spade]

Various interpretations... So it is not literal...But devils make it credible?

Try another...
According to Genesis earth was created before the sun, moon, and stars. You buy that?

And another, Jonah in the belly of a whale?

Try a third. Samson's strength was in his hair?

The flood covering all the mountain tops, including Everest?

Look these up if you are not familiar with them. More devils? Where did you get your science degree?

O, and slavery? Quite acceptable in the Bible?

 

[Cliffy]

Spade, what is your complaint about Genesis 6:4 ?

There are various interpretations on who these "sons of God" were. They were likely human offspring who were also the spiritual offspring of Satan (see 3:15), empowered by demons.

Ya, I believe Billy Graham, Oral Roberts and Jimmy Swagger were among them.

 

[Spade]

Elmer Gantry final scene - YouTube

 

[adopted]

Various interpretations... So it is not literal...But devils make it credible?

Try another...
According to Genesis earth was created before the sun, moon, and stars. You buy that?

And another, Jonah in the belly of a whale?

Try a third. Samson's strength was in his hair?

The flood covering all the mountain tops, including Everest?

Look these up if you are not familiar with them. More devils? Where did you get your science degree?

O, and slavery? Quite acceptable in the Bible?

Various interpretations means various interpretations, it doesn't mean "not literal." I'm sure one of the interpretations is "not literal." That's not my interpretation, though.

There are various interpretations on lots of things in life, I'm sure you're well aware of that. Such does not negate the truth wherever it exists.

Some say the Americans never landed on the moon in the sixties. Others say they did. Yet there remains one truth, which cannot be shaken by the existence of various opinions.

Answering your questions:

• yes
• yes
• yes
• yes
• what do you mean, "more devils?"
• UBC
• slavery -- if you knew what it meant to have a good master, you'd be fond of the idea; as it is, you are a slave to the things you have chosen, and I suggest these are not good masters. Surely everything has been perverted by wicked men in one way or another -- that doesn't make the original wicked. Men have abused their wives; that doesn't make marriage evil.

 

[Spade]

Very few Christians would believe as you. Catholics wouldn't. Are Catholics Christians?

So slavery is acceptable! And genocide? Do you need the references?

 

[adopted]

Very few Christians would believe as you. Catholics wouldn't. Are Catholics Christians?

I believe that God is mercifully saving some who are under the slavery of the unbiblical Roman doctrines. "Are they Christian" depends on the definition of Christian.

If Christian refers to all who call themselves "Christian," then all Roman Catholics are Christians, as is president Obama and Benny Hinn.

If Christian refers to all whom the Father has determined to save from before the foundation of the world, then definitely some who are yet in the Roman church are Christians.

If Christian refers to all who have saving knowledge of the Biblical gospel, then I am persuaded that some Roman Catholics are indeed Christians, and we pray that they find a healthy church.

Outside of the Roman church, there are many other false preachers and many unhealthy congregations, so the answer isn't to jump from one pit of lies into another. There is danger and evil everywhere.

But there is one Christ, and I will only boast about Him. He is not losing one, not a single one of those the Father gives to him.

 

[Spade]

So, no, Catholics are not Christians by your definition...waffling as it was.

And genocide, acceptable?

I know the question about genocide was a tough one for you.
While you're thinking.
Armageddon?
Review - Waiting For Armageddon, Scary Documentary - YouTube

 

[adopted]

So, no, Catholics are not Christians by your definition...waffling as it was.

I gave an elaborate answer, and you called it waffling. If you were asking, "Is the Roman Catholic doctrine the/a true Christian doctrine," then my answer is adamantly "no." The church congregation I attend grew out of the Reformation in the Netherlands, and many in our church were murdered by the Roman church because they refused to renounce their Biblical beliefs.

And genocide, acceptable?

If the Holy God commands it, for his just reasons, then it is not only "acceptable" but compulsory. Are you so naive as to think that Old Testament stories are the most terrible things you can find about God? No, those stories are a mere foretaste of his wrath. We haven't seen anything yet. You think the sword of Samson is frightening, and you're going to file a complaint about it? One day, all men will face the Righteous God, who is a consuming fire. Then those who hate God will really hate Him and have horror stories they had never previously dreamed.

You probably noticed that at one point in history, God destroyed everybody on the earth, except 8 persons. I think there's a stronger word than "genocide" for that. And there's something worse than the flood coming this way. Why do you think John the Baptizer and Jesus and the prophets and apostles preached "repent"!?

The God I confess is not the Santa Claus that some Christians offer. I do believe the Biblical perspective on who God really is, and I'm not going to try to pretend he's a teddy bear. He's Holy and Righteous and tremendously frightening. All the more reason to run to my Savior.

 

[Spade]

I gave an elaborate answer, and you called it waffling. If you were asking, "Is the Roman Catholic doctrine the/a true Christian doctrine," then my answer is adamantly "no." The church congregation I attend grew out of the Reformation in the Netherlands, and many in our church were murdered by the Roman church because they refused to renounce their Biblical beliefs.



If the Holy God commands it, for his just reasons, then it is not only "acceptable" but compulsory. Are you so naive as to think that Old Testament stories are the most terrible things you can find about God? No, those stories are a mere foretaste of his wrath. We haven't seen anything yet. You think the sword of Samson is frightening, and you're going to file a complaint about it? One day, all men will face the Righteous God, who is a consuming fire. Then those who hate God will really hate Him and have horror stories they had never previously dreamed.

You probably noticed that at one point in history, God destroyed everybody on the earth, except 8 persons. I think there's a stronger word than "genocide" for that. And there's something worse than the flood coming this way. Why do you think John the Baptizer and Jesus and the prophets and apostles preached "repent"!?

The God I confess is not the Santa Claus that some Christians offer. I do believe the Biblical perspective on who God really is, and I'm not going to try to pretend he's a teddy bear. He's Holy and Righteous and tremendously frightening. All the more reason to run to my Savior.

Hmmm... Slavery is acceptable. Genocide is more than acceptable if mandated by Gawd. You are a Christian?

G*d's "Arbeit macht frei"?

 

[adopted]

Hmmm... Slavery is acceptable. Genocide is more than acceptable if mandated by Gawd. You are a Christian?

I told you I believe the Bible. What's your definition of Christian anyway?

 

[lone wolf]

So how do you account for the fact the RC Church existed before Protestantism? Henry formed his Church of England so he could stop lopping the heads off his wives in lieu of divorce.

 

[Spade]

I told you I believe the Bible. What's your definition of Christian anyway?

Not this.

 

[Serryah]

I believe that God is mercifully saving some who are under the slavery of the unbiblical Roman doctrines. "Are they Christian" depends on the definition of Christian.

If Christian refers to all who call themselves "Christian," then all Roman Catholics are Christians, as is president Obama and Benny Hinn.

If Christian refers to all whom the Father has determined to save from before the foundation of the world, then definitely some who are yet in the Roman church are Christians.

If Christian refers to all who have saving knowledge of the Biblical gospel, then I am persuaded that some Roman Catholics are indeed Christians, and we pray that they find a healthy church.

Outside of the Roman church, there are many other false preachers and many unhealthy congregations, so the answer isn't to jump from one pit of lies into another. There is danger and evil everywhere.

But there is one Christ, and I will only boast about Him. He is not losing one, not a single one of those the Father gives to him.

So, basically, you're like every other religious nutjob who says "My way is the only way!"

Got it; thanks for really clarifying.

Glad you're so twisted, demented and psychotic to want to believe in a god that's twisted, demented, psychotic and a sadist, racist, sexist... thing.

 

[adopted]

Hmmm... Slavery is acceptable. Genocide is more than acceptable if mandated by Gawd. You are a Christian?

G*d's "Arbeit macht frei"?

Here's an article by John Piper that answers some of your questions about slavery and genocide.

So how do you account for the fact the RC Church existed before Protestantism? Henry formed his Church of England so he could stop lopping the heads off his wives in lieu of divorce.

There are two usages of the word "church." The Bible uses the word "church" to refer to the bride of Christ, the children of God. In this usage of the word, there has always been and always will be one only church.

These days, people typically use the word "church" synonymously with "denomination."

There was basically one "church" denomination until 1054 when the East Orthodox split with the Catholic.

The next major split wasn't Henry.

It was the reformation in the 1500s. This is Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Knox, and so on.

It's called "reformation" because Luther never intended Revolution ... he simply hoped for change/reformation within the church.

So, basically, you're like every other religious nutjob who says "My way is the only way!"

Got it; thanks for really clarifying.

No.

Here is what I say: "Jesus Christ is the only way."

As for me, I'm a weak man who confesses Christ -- I'm an unworthy dog who eats the crumbs that fall from the table.

You've got to realize that the profession I'm trying to make is not my invention, but is announced clearly in the Bible and is not "my" religion, but is Christ's.

Where I have erred from Christ's true message, then I have erred, but Christ remains Lord and Savior.

 

[darkbeaver]

In Shakespeare's Macbeth the poet, who was steeped in esoteric lore, gives us the eerie scene of the three witches dancing around the fire burning under the cauldron of hellish brew, a steaming, seething concoction of all things connected with dark night and dark moon. These poetize the animal or natural ingredients which nature has thrown together to consummate the human being. But around the fire dance the three witches, and it seems indubitable that they represent the three component elements of the knowing principle in man, which in Hindu terms are Atma-Buddhi-Manas, but in English are spirit-soul-mind. The godhead was always given as trinitarian. And man himself embodies a divine Trinity in exact replica of the cosmic Trinity. And what a vivid representation of our human life this scene draws! In us the dark sinister forces and elements of the lower bodily life are stewing in a ferment, are seething in constant agitation, as sense and emotion embroil us in the heat of their hot blood and passion. All the while the triform soul circles round and round, in cycle after cycle, as incarnation brings it again and again down to flit about the bodily fires of lust and sensuous life.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I'm an unworthy dog who eats the crumbs that fall from the table.

Hard to credit that anyone would take seriously a system of belief that teaches them that about themselves. Yet billions do.

 

[lone wolf]

There are two usages of the word "church." The Bible uses the word "church" to refer to the bride of Christ, the children of God. In this usage of the word, there has always been and always will be one only church.

These days, people typically use the word "church" synonymously with "denomination."

There was basically one "church" denomination until 1054 when the East Orthodox split with the Catholic.

The next major split wasn't Henry.

It was the reformation in the 1500s. This is Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Knox, and so on.

It's called "reformation" because Luther never intended Revolution ... he simply hoped for change/reformation within the church.

You still haven't clued in that Biblic references to words means bugger all so I really don't give a damn how you choose to interpret it. The fact is - as you acknowledge - the Catholic Church was first. Whether or not the RC version is gospel matters not in the least. Every splinter of your "one Christianity" took what they chose and ignored the rest. Therefore, if in fact it ever was "truth", it isn't the whole "truth".

Did I say the next major split was Henry? That, too, is how you chose to read and interpret. It's the one with which I am the most familiar. Will I be struck dumb and blind by combined Alley Dopty lightning bolts for that?

You may be right for you. You are certainly your own medicine. Swallow the pill lightly because what works for you is not the cure for the whole world.

Tolerance isn't a big thing among the hook, line, sinker and strung up by the gills crew is it?

 

[adopted]

You still haven't clued in that Biblic references to words means bugger all so I really don't give a damn how you choose to interpret it.

Apparently my religious beliefs are here being discussed; hence, references to the Bible.

The fact is - as you acknowledge - the Catholic Church was first. Whether or not the RC version is gospel matters not in the least. Every splinter of your "one Christianity" took what they chose and ignored the rest. Therefore, if in fact it ever was "truth", it isn't the whole "truth".

Yet there remains one Bible, one Christ, and He will take to him one redeemed people, brothers and sisters, from the whole world across history. That's what "catholic" (lowercase) means.

 

[lone wolf]

It's not your religious beliefs I question. It's the arrogance you display in delivering your message that's getting you painted into the corner.

 

[adopted]

It's not your religious beliefs I question. It's the arrogance you display in delivering your message that's getting you painted into the corner.

I'm not trying to avoid being painted into a corner. The one I call "Lord" and "Teacher" said the path is narrow. You could call that the corner I'd like to be in. I'm not trying to impress people or be popular in my culture.

If I'm accused of "arrogance" by calling myself unworthy, and bragging about the Christ who saves, then that is what I will be. What would you call me if my religion were instead that I am "basically a good person," which is what my culture teaches?