What would YOU want to hear at church?

[Spade]

Sound Of Silence - Simon & Garfunkel (live sound) - YouTube

An answer from Adopted would suffice.

The cock crew thrice. Must go, Cliff. Will check later. Cheers!

 

[JLM]

Well, is everything in the Bible true? A simple "yes" or "no" is all I ask.

It's all in how you interpret it.................."A day is to a thousand years as a thousand years is to a day". :lol:

 

[Spade]

No, JLM; truth according to our friends is absolute. No weaselimg.

 

[JLM]

No, JLM; truth according to our friends is absolute. No weaselimg.

I suppose in cases like Al Capone was a crook or the Kennedys are gun shy!

 

[Dexter Sinister]

You cannot, because the bible says the exact opposite of these things and the bible doesn't contradict itself.

Well, I don't care to take those positions, they're not relevant to anything I think is important, but I'm sure if I put my mind to it I could find something that could be interpreted as contradicting them, from the starting point of 1 Thessalonians 5:21, the directive to prove all things. For instance, passages indicating Jesus sits at the right hand of god suggest they're quite separate beings, and Matthew 19:17 seems to suggest Jesus considered himself to be neither good nor god; there are passages suggesting you can get to heaven only by faith and others say that good works will also get you there, Paul and James contradict each other directly on that; both Matthew and Luke, citing Jesus, state unconditionally that prayers will be answered, then James comes along and says if they're not it's your own fault, etc. The Bible does indeed contradict itself, multiple times. Most of them I grant you are pretty trivial, on the scale of how many sons Abraham had, but some bear on crucial points of doctrine, like whether faith or works will get you into heaven.

 

[Spade]

Try Joshua 10:13 and the conservation of angular momentum.

It is not that there are internal contradictions, of which there are many. But the impossible would also be a good start.

 

[In Between Man]

Well, you haven't answered this question.
If you claim to follow Yeshua the Nazarene, why are you not pacifists?

Because Jesus isn't the type of pacifist that you're misinterpreting him to be. Read Jesus' own words:

No peace, but division:

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household." (Matthew 10:34-36)

"Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two, and two against three..." (Luke 12:51,52)

Concerning Christ's second coming:

I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True[Jesus]. With justice he judges and makes war. (Revelation 19:11)

Does that sound like a pacifist to you? Do you now see how you have completely misinterpreted who Jesus Christ is? Pick up your bible, blow the dust off of it, and read it.

 

[Tonington]

There's one God, and he exists as a unity of three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Yes I know the doctrine, but I asked for a logical explanation...he...singular...persons...plural. That`s illogical.

 

[Spade]

Because Jesus isn't the type of pacifist that you're misinterpreting him to be. Read Jesus' own words:

No peace, but division:

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household." (Matthew 10:34-36)

"Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two, and two against three..." (Luke 12:51,52)

Concerning Christ's second coming:

I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True[Jesus]. With justice he judges and makes war. (Revelation 19:11)

Does that sound like a pacifist to you? Do you now see how you have completely misinterpreted who Jesus Christ is? Pick up your bible, blow the dust off of it, and read it.

More contradictions; thank you, Grasshopper.

27 But I say unto you which hear Love your enemies do good to them which hate you 28 Bless them that curse you and pray for them which despitefully use you 29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also 30 http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/1161.htm Give to every man that asketh of thee and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again 31 And as ye would that men should do to you do ye also to them likewise 32 For if ye love them which love you what thank have ye for sinners also love those that love them 33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you what thank have ye for sinners also do even the same 34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/1679.htmto receive what thank have ye for sinners also lend to sinners to receive as much again 35 But love ye your enemies and do good and lend hoping for nothing again and your reward shall be great and ye shall be the children of the Highest for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil 36 Be ye therefore merciful as your Father also is merciful

 

[DurkaDurka]

What would Jesus do....

 

[Spade]

Gawd only knows!

 

[In Between Man]

If I know the "one truth" you speak if, then of course I must discuss it with you. What would you do, if you knew the secret of eternal salvation?

A warning brother about Cliffy's relativism. He doesn't believe in objective truth, therefore any truth that is not convenient, he just writes it off as not "his truth". The reason machine in his brain works but as soon as you tell him about what the bible says the reason machine stops working. He doesn't have a heart that is searching for the real and objective truth, therefore nothing he says is really serious. Jesus gave us the best example for dealing with people like this(because they're arrogant and not serious, we don't have serious conversations with them):

RE: A question to a religious person - YouTube

 

[DurkaDurka]

A warning brother about Cliffy's relativism. He doesn't believe in objective truth, therefore any truth that is not convenient, he just writes it off as not "his truth". The reason machine in his brain works but as soon as you tell him about what the bible says the reason machine stops working. He doesn't have a heart that is searching for the real and objective truth, therefore nothing he says is really serious. Jesus gave us the best example for dealing with people like this(because they're arrogant and not serious, we don't have serious conversations with them):

RE: A question to a religious person - YouTube

I think there's a bit of a difference between "truth" and politeness.

Why do you care so much about spreading your beliefs anyway?

 

[Spade]

A warning brother about Cliffy's relativism. He doesn't believe in objective truth, therefore any truth that is not convenient, he just writes it off as not "his truth". The reason machine in his brain works but as soon as you tell him about what the bible says the reason machine stops working. He doesn't have a heart that is searching for the real and objective truth, therefore nothing he says is really serious. Jesus gave us the best example for dealing with people like this(because they're arrogant and not serious, we don't have serious conversations with them):

More weaseling.

 

[lone wolf]

Mat 10:32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven.

33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.

Cherrypicking your quotes doesn't tell a story in context

 

[DurkaDurka]

Walter alert, reds and hypocrisy incoming.

 

[In Between Man]

Why do you care so much about spreading your beliefs anyway?

It's not my beliefs that I'm concerned about spreading, I don't care if you believe Moses parted the Red Sea or not. What I care about is spreading the gospel because I don't want DurkaDurka to spend eternity in hell.

Grab the word; let's go!

Persecution? Let's go!

Tribulation? Let's go!

Across the nation? Let's go!

"I am not ashamed of the Gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation for everyone who believes" (Romans 1:16)

 

[DurkaDurka]

It's not my beliefs that I'm concerned about spreading, I don't care if you believe Moses parted the Red Sea or not. What I care about is spreading the gospel because I don't want DurkaDurka to spend eternity in hell.

Grab the word; let's go!

Persecution? Let's go!

Tribulation? Let's go!

Across the nation? Let's go!

"I am not ashamed of the Gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation for everyone who believes" (Romans 1:16)

But that's the thing, assuming people want to be "saved" or however you term it. I can respect people with strong religious beliefs but when it comes to "spreading the good word" it gets a little obnoxious.

 

[In Between Man]

More contradictions; thank you, Grasshopper.

Loving your enemies doesn't contradict the fact the Jesus and the Gospel are cause for division among people. Nor does God destroying the wicked contradict loving your enemies because Jesus DOES love the wicked, yet the day will come when he will exercise his sovereignty and authority to end all wickedness. If God exists, you wouldn't want him to end all evil, including all war and cause of war?

 

[Spade]

For me, it's not the proselytizing I find obnoxious. It is the indoctrination of their children with non-scientific nonsense and end-time absurdity. Also, the armageddon delusion is politically dangerous as they lobby power or occupy office. They are our Taliban.

Beyond reason!