GST - Should it be raised?

[Tonington]

When they cut the GST in 2008 Canada had a surplus even with an increase in spending. It was perfectly reasonable to lower taxes when they could.

Yet here we are, with what many economists are calling a structural deficit, meaning even if the economy wasn't ****ty, our government would still be spending more than they take in through revenue. That is not perfectly reasonable.

Any Minority would have done the same

No other party was campaigning on reducing the GST. Economists were warning against cutting the GST, but the Conservatives from the get-go have ignored good advice when it doesn't fit with their politics. That is no different than any other party :lol:

 

[Goober]

Tell that to restaurant owners. We use to go out often when it was just one tax. With HST? hardly ever.

What Province??

Yet here we are, with what many economists are calling a structural deficit, meaning even if the economy wasn't ****ty, our government would still be spending more than they take in through revenue. That is not perfectly reasonable.



No other party was campaigning on reducing the GST. Economists were warning against cutting the GST, but the Conservatives from the get-go have ignored good advice when it doesn't fit with their politics. That is no different than any other party :lol:

My post was in regards to defict spending. No minority Govt would have survived. Next party in would spend like crazy. Just the way politics in a minority is.

I was and still am against the cut in GST.

 

[JLM]

What Province??

British Columbia, but it's not a problem- we just transfer the tip over to it.

 

[Ron in Regina]

British Columbia, but it's not a problem- we just transfer the tip over to it.

Ahh.....sad for the Servers. If I don't have enough for a decent tip,
I don't go out to eat. Waiters/Waitresses make (generally) tiny
wages, and work for their tips. Tip well & it comes back to you in
spades.

 

[Cannuck]

Ahh.....sad for the Servers. If I don't have enough for a decent tip,
I don't go out to eat. Waiters/Waitresses make (generally) tiny
wages, and work for their tips. Tip well & it comes back to you in
spades.

Agreed. If you're that cheap that you'll stiff the waiter/waitress, stay home and save them the work.

 

[Goober]

Agreed. If you're that cheap that you'll stiff the waiter/waitress, stay home and save them the work.

Do you tip well when the service sucks? And yes I am referring to bringing certain things to your servers attention. Things that the server can address. Not the impossible like wait times etc.

 

[Cannuck]

Do you tip well when the service sucks? And yes I am referring to bringing certain things to your servers attention. Things that the server can address. Not the impossible like wait times etc.

A tip is for good service. There is a difference between not tipping because the service is poor and not tipping because you can't afford the tax. That said, I always tip. Only the percentage changes.

 

[Goober]

A tip is for good service. There is a difference between not tipping because the service is poor and not tipping because you can't afford the tax. That said, I always tip. Only the percentage changes.

Just clearing things up is all. And I tip around 20% for good service.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Do you tip well when the service sucks? And yes I am referring to bringing certain things to your servers attention. Things that the server can address. Not the impossible like wait times etc.

I frequent places with good service, and seldom return to places
with poor service. A poor server will get my tip once, and a great
server will get my tip often.

The place I frequent most often, the waiter's/waitress's see me
coming and start collecting Rib&Steak bones...& I leave with a
bucket (I kid you not) of them for my dogs. You tip well and it
comes back in spades. The food there is good (not great, but
good), but the service is excellent!

 

[Goober]

I frequent places with good service, and seldom return to places
with poor service. A poor server will get my tip once, and a great
server will get my tip often.

The place I frequent most often, the waiter's/waitress's see me
coming and start collecting Rib&Steak bones...& I leave with a
bucket (I kid you not) of them for my dogs. You tip well and it
comes back in spades. The food there is good (not great, but
good), but the service is excellent!

And you enjoyed the time out.

 

[Ron in Regina]

And you enjoyed the time out.

...& my dogs enjoy me coming home with a bucket full of bones for them.
That's part of really good service in deleloping a relationship with your
waiter's and waitress's.

 

[Goober]

...& my dogs enjoy me coming home with a bucket full of bones for them.
That's part of really good service in deleloping a relationship with your
waiter's and waitress's.

I go for good food and service. We do not go out often. My wife has done all sorts of work including waitress.Each of us are well aware that they are not paid well. But where I live we have some that amke a goodly sum in tips each wekk. We only go to a few spots, basic type places and I always chat them up. Can't help it. I love women. Just one of Gods blessing in my humble opinion.

Still looking for a source on the BM Cof.

 

[taxslave]

The more the consumer tax the less people spend, the less people work.

There is some truth in that regardless of offsets in other taxes. People look at the tax on an item and say "Do I really need that"
The other problem is that even when the two senior layers of government lower their tax there is always a municipality or some quasi government agency with taxing authority standing in the wings waiting to raise their take.

Ahh.....sad for the Servers. If I don't have enough for a decent tip,
I don't go out to eat. Waiters/Waitresses make (generally) tiny
wages, and work for their tips. Tip well & it comes back to you in
spades.

What if I don't want spade mooching my desert?

 

[TenPenny]

Tell that to restaurant owners. We use to go out often when it was just one tax. With HST? hardly ever.

When was there just one tax?
Oh, right, that's the HST. One tax.

 

[Goober]

There is some truth in that regardless of offsets in other taxes. People look at the tax on an item and say "Do I really need that"
The other problem is that even when the two senior layers of government lower their tax there is always a municipality or some quasi government agency with taxing authority standing in the wings waiting to raise their take.



What if I don't want spade mooching my desert?

Has Spade been making off with the extra deserts. Shameful.

 

[mentalfloss]

Joseph Heath in conversation with Allan Gregg - YouTube

 

[The Old Medic]

Yep, raise the GST, and REALLY hurt those that are struggling to survive economically. That makes no sense at all.

If you want to impose a luxury tax, then by all means do so. But a general raise in the GST hurts the poor and those on the fringes of becoming poor the MOST.

 

[mentalfloss]

Yep, raise the GST, and REALLY hurt those that are struggling to survive economically. That makes no sense at all.

Well it really highlights that what causes the poor to suffer is not taxes, but a lack of income.