Conservatives cut healthcare funding after 2018

[mentalfloss]

Harper stated he was leaving it to the Provinces to change the way service is provided. We all knew it was coming, we all know it has to change.
3 % is the minimum even if inflation / growth rate is lower.
Some prov had their hands tied by the Feds - AB in particular - private health care has been available in Ontario for a number of years.
Salary increases have been the major driver for cost increases. That and add in the Boomer's who live longer, more services etc.
Time to get busy I would say.

This is a whole smorgasbord of things that we would have no idea about how to really put into perspective. Each province should have negotiated a rate with government. You never know, it could have actually reduced the rate below 3% if they were smart enough about how each province operates.

There is another perspective on this in that it was a unilateral decision instead of something which promotes federalism.

 

[petros]

maybe they are spending less because immigrants eat healthier?

 

[TenPenny]

A decrease can also be less than what is expected.

That's not a decrease. That's a shortfall, but it's not a decrease.

A decrease means less than what it was before.

 

[petros]

How much more will the Provinces be able to increase spending on their own? If your Province isn't managing the money they get from the Feds then it's not the Feds problem.

 

[JLM]

Some prov had their hands tied by the Feds - AB in particular - private health care has been available in Ontario for a number of years.
Salary increases have been the major driver for cost increases. That and add in the Boomer's who live longer, more services etc.
Time to get busy I would say.

I've been saying that for forty years! Christy Clark got suckered in to falling for the bullsh*t in B.C. Big Mac prices are due to soar over the next 18 months or so! :smile:

This is a whole smorgasbord of things .

It's these god damn smorgasboards that are killing us, both financially and nutritionally. :lol:

 

[taxslave]

The whole health care system has to change. Here we have the feds dictating care levels and how it is paid but not ponying up all the cash to do it and leaving the delivery up to the provinces. We can not continue with this costly overlap. Either healthcare is Federal, complete with total federal funding or it is a provincial responsibility but not both.

 

[petros]

Too many hypochondriacs wasting money on stubbed toes and constipation.

 

[JLM]

Too many hypochondriacs wasting money on stubbed toes and constipation.

You got that right, this Medicare program is a two edged sword, when we were kids our folks paid the doc's bills if the old man wasn't too flush, we suffered at home, didn't have a chance to develop an immunity to pills, but the tough survived. By the same token there were no Big Macs and A & Ws to make us sick either. :lol:

 

[captain morgan]

Too many hypochondriacs wasting money on stubbed toes and constipation.

And don't forget about those folks that think they might have, maybe, kinda heard (or thought they heard) little Billy sniffle - maybe... That's always a clear cut case to rush the wee lad to emergency.. And don't forget to take the other kids, may as well get them checked out to since you're there.

 

[petros]

The only time I went to ER as a kid was to get stitches and when I found a yellow jacket nest the hard way.

 

[TenPenny]

The only time I went to ER as a kid was to get stitches and when I found a yellow jacket nest the hard way.

I went a couple of times, when I broke my ankle, and when I needed a skin graft after being pushed through a window.

My daughters have been once, when stung by a wasp and she discovered she was allergic and she stopped breathing.

My wife went once, when she broke her leg (actually, I broke it for her).

I have this idea that part of ER means 'Emergency'.

 

[JLM]

The only time I went to ER as a kid was to get stitches and when I found a yellow jacket nest the hard way.

Stitches? Them Yeller jackets must have had big teeth! :lol:

 

[BruSan]

We're all on agreement on one thing anyway: it can't carry on carrying on! Moving that decimal point to the right every year or so isn't going to cut it for the future so other things, hitherto out of Tommy Douglas's box, needs be looked at.

If our system is to be totally taxpayer funded; we either need a whole lot more 12 year old healthy taxpayers or the over 50 crowd had better start dying off at a much higher rate of knots.

Strange we've never as a nation demanded these things like CPP, healthcare and even EI be funded with dedicated investments, maybe bond issues, or something of the ilk, but nevertheless DEDICATED funding with actuarial assessments etc., to determine the funded liabilities versus the unfunded and NO SCREWING AROUND with the deposits like using them for other purposes like buying jets, helicopters or furnishings for Stornaway.

I mean these are simply the rules the federal government require everybody else to follow regarding any private pension fund so make 'em eat from the same bowl.

We are paying a myraid of taxes for various reasons from car tires to tobacco taxes that were ostensibly created to either cover costs related to the government having to deal with the results of the sales of the products but instead were used for anything but.

They raided CPP, they merely run a "hypothetical" accounting exercise for EI and all of those other pernicious taxes they don't even bother to keep track of. They simply throw them into the blender and hope they'll equate to the next elections idiotic; not kept, promises!

 

[petros]

Stitches? Them Yeller jackets must have had big teeth! :lol:

All 28 of them sure did.

 

[mentalfloss]

Ottawa will discuss health policy with provinces in mid-January, Aglukkaq says

Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq says Ottawa still wants to sit and talk about the health policy with provinces. She said, now that issues on funds have been sorted out, she is eager to discuss health policy with provincial health ministers in the coming month.

However, federal-provincial talks on the prospect of health system are not going to be tense in any aspect, Aglukkaq said. Both the sides will focus on the performance measurements, accountability and sharing of best practices rather than money.

Aglukkaq said: “In 2004, when we discussed the accord, I was there. And those conversations, (it) was strictly about dollars. It did not have the pieces around what outcomes do we want to accomplish as ministers.

“Health ministries across Canada can now have reassurance that there’s predictable funding in health care to allow us to have a meaningful conversation on what outcomes we want to accomplish around health, around prevention, around obesity.”

On the other hand, critics and a number of provinces have blamed Ottawa of giving up its responsibility to maintain a high national standard for health care.

“She’s dreaming if she thinks it’s a better atmosphere,” said NDP health critic Libby Davies. “I think they’ve botched the whole file.”

Oye! Times | Ottawa will discuss health policy with provinces in mid-January, Aglukkaq says | Oye! Times

 

[Colpy]

Ottawa will discuss health policy with provinces in mid-January, Aglukkaq says

Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq says Ottawa still wants to sit and talk about the health policy with provinces. She said, now that issues on funds have been sorted out, she is eager to discuss health policy with provincial health ministers in the coming month.

However, federal-provincial talks on the prospect of health system are not going to be tense in any aspect, Aglukkaq said. Both the sides will focus on the performance measurements, accountability and sharing of best practices rather than money.

Aglukkaq said: “In 2004, when we discussed the accord, I was there. And those conversations, (it) was strictly about dollars. It did not have the pieces around what outcomes do we want to accomplish as ministers.

“Health ministries across Canada can now have reassurance that there’s predictable funding in health care to allow us to have a meaningful conversation on what outcomes we want to accomplish around health, around prevention, around obesity.”

On the other hand, critics and a number of provinces have blamed Ottawa of giving up its responsibility to maintain a high national standard for health care.

“She’s dreaming if she thinks it’s a better atmosphere,” said NDP health critic Libby Davies. “I think they’ve botched the whole file.”

Oye! Times | Ottawa will discuss health policy with provinces in mid-January, Aglukkaq says | Oye! Times

Libby Davies is obviously an idiot. She has proven it over and over and over again.

Health Care transfers have now been set at a sustainable rate that will mean at minimum a 3% increase every year, beginning in 2018.

Now is the time to discuss how the system can be juggled to make the best out of availible resources.

 

[taxslave]

Lets see if we can get some important services covered like Naturopaths and Chiropractors. Currently I have to pay over $100/mo for healthcare and still have to pay all my health care costs over and above that.

 

[Machjo]

Lets see if we can get some important services covered like Naturopaths and Chiropractors. Currently I have to pay over $100/mo for healthcare and still have to pay all my health care costs over and above that.

Can you propose a funding source?

Maybe a tax on all heavy items to cover back care?

 

[TenPenny]

Lets see if we can get some important services covered like Naturopaths and Chiropractors. Currently I have to pay over $100/mo for healthcare and still have to pay all my health care costs over and above that.

Only if they prevent chiropractors from doing 'allergy testing' by waving samples around, and have you push your hand against the chiropractor to see if you're allergic to things.

And only if they prevent naturopaths and chiropractors from selling anything related to treatment.

 

[petros]

Can you propose a funding source?

Rent more hospital sq footage to donut and pizza shops.

and $5 an hour for parking instead of $3