Durban Climate Change Conference 2011

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They are only cute in Coke commercials.

Roving gangs of polar-bear gangbangers, no doubt...

I'm curious though. Is it the global warming that is transforming these gentle, fun-loving creatures into man eaters or is it the climate-change element that is the culprit?
I lived in Churchill Manitoba for almost 4 years and another year and a half in the high arctic. I've seen plenty of polar bears and they are worth saving. They are Canada's equivalent of the Bengal Tiger. Polar Bears don't eat much from the time the ice breaks up in the spring until the ice reforms in the fall. Come September/October, they are hungry. I've made eye contact with them on several occasions and I would not describe a hungry polar bear as gentle fun loving. The impression I got when they were sizing me up, is that they were felling along the same line the rest of us feel when looking at a Thanksgiving Day Turkey dinner. I wouldn't describe that as vicious, but it is disconcerting.
 

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Do I have a choice? No.


Do I have a choice in the matter? No.


If we didn't live in massive houses, we wouldn't need that much energy to survive our winters.

You do have a choice.

Solar panels for your home electricity, geothermal kits are available for heating/cooling a home, hybrid cars or walking & cycling, paying extra for eco-friendly produce, etc.

There are alternatives.. You do have a choice.

I lived in Churchill Manitoba for almost 4 years and another year and a half in the high arctic. I've seen plenty of polar bears and they are worth saving. They are Canada's equivalent of the Bengal Tiger. Polar Bears don't eat much from the time the ice breaks up in the spring until the ice reforms in the fall. Come September/October, they are hungry. I've made eye contact with them on several occasions and I would not describe a hungry polar bear as gentle fun loving. The impression I got when they were sizing me up, is that they were felling along the same line the rest of us feel when looking at a Thanksgiving Day Turkey dinner. I wouldn't describe that as vicious, but it is disconcerting.


I was being sarcastic EAO.

Polar bears are among the largest North American carnivores.. Coca Cola Corp and the tree huggers try to fool the public in order to profit from the propaganda.
 

petros

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Nevr leave your tackle box in your truck when in Churchill. They will tear it shreads trying to find the fish they smell on the tackle.

You do have a choice.

Solar panels for your home electricity, geothermal kits are available for heating/cooling a home, hybrid cars or walking & cycling, paying extra for eco-friendly produce, etc.
You need to drill a minimum of 50m into soil to use geo-thermal. Good luck trying to do that in BC, Northern ON, PQ, NL NB NS PEI. When I put mine in 5-6 years ago, I went right down to the Bear Paw.
 

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You need to drill a minimum of 50m into soil to use geo-thermal. Good luck trying to do that in BC, Northern ON, PQ, NL NB NS PEI. When I put mine in 5-6 years ago, I went right down to the Bear Paw.


But there is an alternative, right?.... This is the quintessential message that the eco-lobby is pushing.

So - it's money-where-your-mouth-is time.... For all those that demand action, time to ante-up.
 

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Keep bumping the thread guys.

The tears are delicious.

 

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No, his link was to a google news search result, not that it really matters.... You claimed that the source- a researcher at UC Berkeley- is questionable and that was all you needed to read...that's plainly stupid. 70 Noble prizes, 7 Fields medals, and the discovery of 16 chemical elements (more than any other university in the world).

Yes, what you said was stupid...

Saying, from what little was available to read, that human caused climate change was the cause of some type of tree loss... that's stupid.
 

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On climate change, the message is simple: get it done

Durban Climate Change Conference showed that Obama's pledge to restore the US to a position of leadership has fallen flat

"Eight years from now is a death sentence on Africa," Nigerian environmentalist Nnimmo Bassey, chairperson of Friends of the Earth International, told me. "For every one-degree celsius change in temperature, Africa is impacted at a heightened level." He lays out the extent of the immediate threats in his new book about Africa, To Cook a Continent.

Bassey is one among many concerned with the profound lack of ambition embodied in the Durban platform, which delays actual, legally binding reductions in emissions until 2020 at the earliest, whereas scientists globally are in overwhelming agreement: the stated goal of limiting average global temperature rise to 2C (3.6F) will soon be impossible to achieve. The International Energy Agency, in its annual World Energy Outlook released in November, predicted "cumulative CO2 emissions over the next 25 years amount to three-quarters of the total from the past 110 years, leading to a long-term average temperature rise of 3.5C".

Despite optimistic pronouncements to the contrary, many believe the Kyoto protocol died in Durban. Pablo Solon, the former Bolivian ambassador to the United Nations and former chief climate negotiator for that poor country, now calls Kyoto a "zombie agreement," staggering forward for another five or seven years, but without force or impact. On the day after the talks concluded, Canadian environment minister Peter Kent announced that Canada was formally withdrawing from the Kyoto Protocol. Expected to follow are Russia and Japan, the very nation where the 1997 meeting was held that gives the Kyoto Protocol its name.

The largest polluter in world history, the United States, never ratified the Kyoto protocol and remains defiant. Both Bassey and Solon refer to the outcome of Durban as a form of "climate apartheid."

Despite the pledges by President Barack Obama to restore the United States to a position of leadership on the issue of climate change, the trajectory from Copenhagen in 2009, to Cancun in 2010, and, now, to Durban reinforces the statement made by then-president George Bush Sr prior to the Rio earth summit in 1992, the forerunner to the Kyoto protocol, when he said: "The American way of life is not up for negotiation."

The "American way of life" can be measured in per capita emissions of carbon. In the US, on average, about 20 metric tonnes of CO2 is released into the atmosphere annually, one of the top 10 on the planet. Hence, a popular sticker in Durban read "Stop CO2lonialism."

By comparison, China, the country that is the largest emitter currently, has per capita emissions closer to 5 metric tonnes, ranking it about 80th. India's population emits a meager 1.5 tonnes per capita, a fraction of the US level.

So it seems US intransigence, its unwillingness to get off its fossil-fuel addiction, effectively killed Kyoto in Durban, a key city in South Africa's fight against apartheid. That is why Anjali Appadurai's closing words were imbued with a sense of hope brought by this new generation of climate activists:

"[Nelson] Mandela said: 'It always seems impossible, until it's done.' So, distinguished delegates and governments around the world, governments of the developed world, deep cuts now. Get it done."

On climate change, the message is simple: get it done | Amy Goodman | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
 

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Keep bumping the thread guys.

The tears are delicious.

Whose tears? Yours?

They just pushed out any Wealth Distribution plans to 2015. In 2015, China will snub the Climate Change movement once again and so will the U.S and hopefully Canada.


No tears here.
 

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How are holes in the ozone layer these days. Thank God we switch to chloro-floro hydrocarbons which are 1500X worse than CO2.
 

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On climate change, the message is simple: get it done

Durban Climate Change Conference showed that Obama's pledge to restore the US to a position of leadership has fallen flat

Nice. Good job Obama.


The largest polluter in world history, the United States, never ratified the Kyoto protocol and remains defiant. Both Bassey and Solon refer to the outcome of Durban as a form of "climate apartheid."

Climate "aparthied"! What a catchy phrase!

Despite the pledges by President Barack Obama to restore the United States to a position of leadership on the issue of climate change, the trajectory from Copenhagen in 2009, to Cancun in 2010, and, now, to Durban reinforces the statement made by then-president George Bush Sr prior to the Rio earth summit in 1992, the forerunner to the Kyoto protocol, when he said: "The American way of life is not up for negotiation."

In other words... Have a nice day!

By comparison, China, the country that is the largest emitter currently, has per capita emissions closer to 5 metric tonnes, ranking it about 80th. India's population emits a meager 1.5 tonnes per capita, a fraction of the US level.

Didn't I tell you about the influence China has. The largest emitter currently gets a pass. I guess their emissions don't harm the environment. Poor Africa. lol


So it seems US intransigence, its unwillingness to get off its fossil-fuel addiction, effectively killed Kyoto in Durban, a key city in South Africa's fight against apartheid.

Oh well... better luck in 2015.