Durban Climate Change Conference 2011

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Why we will never be able to stop Climate Change.

On Sunday in Thailand diplomats opened another round of formal United Nations talks on global warming. For more than 20 years, the UN has been working on this problem, with little progress. Expectations have never been lower. The December 2009 conference in Copenhagen that was supposed to finalise a new treaty to replace the expiring Kyoto protocol ended in deadlock. Last year's talks in Cancún ended without agreement on most of the important new issues.
Some of the troubles with global warming diplomacy are unavoidable. Stopping climate change is one of the hardest challenges the international community has undertaken. The main cause of climate change, emissions of carbon dioxide, is intrinsic to the burning of fossil fuels that power the world economy. Even in the best of circumstances, getting off carbon will take decades and trillions of dollars. The world economic crisis makes that even harder as few societies choose to spend money on distant problems when they face more immediate challenges such as unemployment and poverty.
The failure to make progress, though, is mainly due to bad strategy. The United Nations forum is the wrong place for serious diplomacy. One of the chief strengths of the UN system – that it involves every nation on the planet – is a huge liability for global warming. By working in large groups, UN talks are often held hostage to the whims of even small players – as happened in Copenhagen and Cancún when Sudan and Bolivia and a few other nations whose emissions of warming pollution are tiny. The UN system has also relied on legally binding agreements, which sound good in theory yet have proved difficult to tailor and adjust in light of the many different interests that must be reflected in any serious international pact to control emissions.

Why the UN can never stop climate change | David G Victor | Environment | guardian.co.uk
 

Tonington

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You got that foot really stuck eh?

No, his link was to a google news search result, not that it really matters.... You claimed that the source- a researcher at UC Berkeley- is questionable and that was all you needed to read...that's plainly stupid. 70 Noble prizes, 7 Fields medals, and the discovery of 16 chemical elements (more than any other university in the world).

Yes, what you said was stupid...
 

petros

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Fact time. Who wants to know the percentage of GHGs Canada is responsible for?



Are you ready?



2 whole ****ing percent.



The guilt is going to eat me alive.
 

mentalfloss

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Fact time. Who wants to know the percentage of GHGs Canada is responsible for?

The guilt is going to eat me alive.

For a population of 30 million, that's a pretty big piece of the pie.

Why do you suddenly care about our proportion anyway?

You shouldn't be caring about emissions at all.
 

mentalfloss

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BINGO! Why should I give a **** about 2%?

You're the one flabbergasted about it. If you didn't give a ****, you wouldn't be constantly posting in this thread.

If you don't give a ****, then don't give ****.
 

petros

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You're the one flabbergasted about it. If you didn't give a ****, you wouldn't be constantly posting in this thread.

If you don't give a ****, then don't give ****.
What the hell does Canada's population have to do with the 2%? We have a small economy, a big country and we'd die without needing the 44% of our energy consumption for heating.
 

mentalfloss

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What the hell does Canada's population have to do with the 2%? We have a small economy, a big country and we'd die without needing the 44% of our energy consumption for heating.

Why don't you just relax your little head about, mmkay?

Think of the polar bears instead.


Climate change threatens to make polar bears dangerous; action needed:scientist

TORONTO - They're etched onto our coins, are part of our national identity and lure tourists to the Arctic every year, but the majestic Canadian polar bear could pose a significant risk to northern communities if climate change continues to wreak havoc on its natural habitat.

"It's potentially quite serious in terms of human-bear interactions," says Ian Stirling, an Edmonton-based scientist with the Canadian Wildlife Service who has studied polar bears for 41 years.

"It's a big problem in northern communities, it already is. They're killing 50 problem bears a year in the Canadian Arctic because they're threatening human life or property."

The adjunct professor at the University of Alberta wants to drive home the point that action is needed to combat the climate change which has the potential to turn the typically mild-mannered mammals into a risk.

As Stirling details in his new book — "Polar Bears:The Natural History of a Threatened Species" — the biggest threat to the bears is an increasingly warming climate which is causing earlier and more wide-spread melting of northern sea ice.

The ice is crucial to the bears because it serves as a hunting platform to access their primary food sources — particularly ringed seal pups. With the ice breaking up earlier over time, bears lose precious opportunities to gather food.

"If they can't eat, they're not going to survive," says Stirling.

In startling new research, scientists are now also suggesting bears are turning on their own young in some cases to satiate their hunger as climate change hampers their feeding patterns.

"We are seeing a great deal more cannibalism and infanticide in the last 10 years more than we've seen in the last 25 or 30 all put together," says Stirling, who recently co-authored a paper documenting the issue in four cases.

While starving adult males have been known to prey on younger polar bears on occasion, what's new is the killing of small bears when the older predator is still fairly healthy.

While more study is needed, Stirling says the issue could be a case of young cubs being one of the few accessible sources of sustenance after the early break up of sea-ice.

Meanwhile, Canadian polar bears — which make up two-thirds of the global population — are being affected by climate change at such a fast rate that those living on the shores of lower Hudson Bay could disappear in just a few decades.

"The situation in Manitoba and Ontario is really pretty serious," says Stirling, who adds that sea ice is now breaking up three weeks earlier than it was 30 or 35 years ago, which leads to leaner bears and lower birth rates.

"Thirty, 40 years from now, there probably won't be many bears left in Hudson Bay."

From a wider perspective, Stirling argues that attention should be paid to the plight of the polar bears because the animals are a very real marker of effects of climate change.

"Polar bears are very representative of the kinds of things we're seeing in climate change," says the 70-year-old. "What they're also telling us is that we're not going to have the Arctic the way that we're familiar with it."

To preserve the species and the country they live in, Stirling urges the average Canuck to take any small step to can protect the environment and pressure politicians to force a reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.

"The longer we hold off and don't do something about these things, the greater the negative effects and costs are going to be for our children and our grandchildren."

Stirling's words seem to strike a chord with those who hear him speak.

"We are on the verge of losing Canada's greatest heritage," said Robert Buchanan, CEO of Polar Bears International, which hosted a lecture by Stirling in Toronto.

"If Canada doesn't care about the Arctic and it's polar bears, why should the rest of the world care?"

Climate change threatens to make polar bears dangerous; action needed:scientist - Winnipeg Free Press
 

petros

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"It's a big problem in northern communities, it already is. They're killing
50 problem bears a year in the Canadian Arctic because they're threatening human
life or property."
They are only cute in Coke commercials.
 

petros

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They are bears. Bears like refuse transfer stations (garbage dumps). When the tundra can support blueberries and rose hips, they go back to being omnivores.
 

mentalfloss

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Roving gangs of polar-bear gangbangers, no doubt...

I'm curious though. Is it the global warming that is transforming these gentle, fun-loving creatures into man eaters or is it the climate-change element that is the culprit?

Or is it ice harpoons?
 

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Polar bears are the best land mammal when it comes to swimming. What's the problem?

I don't see a problem.... I'm really hoping that some of these eco-idiots will race to the high arctic and attempt to commune with the bears.. An act of solidarity if you will.

At very least, we will eliminate the carbon emissions from these f*cktards.

Or is it ice harpoons?


That is specifically reserved for baby seals... We do have laws you know.
 

petros

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When WWF gives the ocean front property they bought to build the Churchill Hilton the bears will fund an improved railline and re-open the grain terminals

Question though. Why is WWF buying land that is going to be allegedly flooded?