It achieves some moron with an unregistered hand gun shooting someone. Whereas without gun control, some moron with a hand gun would shoot someone.
Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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It achieves some moron with an unregistered hand gun shooting someone. Whereas without gun control, some moron with a hand gun would shoot someone.
Kind of ignoring the context, isn't it?
First of all, this guy was hardly a moron. He was a 73 year old retired from the diplomatic service........
Secondly, he shot a much younger assailant that was attacking him inside his home.......
Yep, without gun control he still would have defended himself................and NOT been charged, which is kinda the point.
You can't have the best of both worlds. Swapping LGR for mandatory sentences and a ****ty crime bill was a bad deal. I voted for the lack of changes to western growth started under the Libs.
I suspect he will get off, with a good lawyer. It is still better than what happened down here on Black Friday. On lady tired of waiting in line at the check out counter, sprayed the line with pepper spray!! Including children. Pepper spray in Canada, apparently is legal only for our dumb ass private & university police when dealing with peaceful demonstrators kneeling on the ground. One smart cookie informed me that a can of wasp spray, is better than pepper spray anyway. One does not have to get very close to one's attacker or house breaker to immobilize them. It quickly puts the most aggressive character down.
Two other people, in separate incidents, waved their handguns around when the long lines irritated them!! Keep on telling me why insisting on eliminating the strict protocols for registration and licensing of guns in Canada would not put them in the hands of our own nitwits!! Please do. The US certainly doesn't have a monopoly on those without the sense most people were born with.
Two other people, in separate incidents, waved their handguns around when the long lines irritated them!! Keep on telling me why insisting on eliminating the strict protocols for registration and licensing of guns in Canada would not put them in the hands of our own nitwits!! Please do. The US certainly doesn't have a monopoly on those without the sense most people were born with.
There's a case of out and out BULLS*T, if there ever was one. Put the sentence where it belongs, Cantwell. The defendant should by rights receive a medal, but of course he won't.........................THAT would piss off the bureaucrats. I suppose to keep the bureaucrats quiet a $10 fine would in order for civil disobedience!!!!!!!! What a joke! 8O
This post is soooo silly on soooo many levels.
First of all, the gentleman has ALREADY been convicted and sentenced.
Secondly, the pepper spray incident happened at the University of CALIFORNIA at Davis.
Thirdly, they were POLICE, not private security.
Fourth, the nitwits will have guns no matter what...................those that want them.
Project Ploughshares explains very clearly in its presentation to Parliamentary Committee why Canada needs to dump the LGR, the Firearms Act, and the United Nations.
Bill C-19 and Canada
Bill C-19 and Canada
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Pretty bl..dy hard for me here to know the gentleman was convicted & sentenced.......I am not even in the country!!
Second comment, and third comment......yes, I knew that.... so??? thirdly..... you are wrong - they were campus security not POLICE.
Finally, yes, I have already observed that right here. AND sometimes nitwits can get around regulations, but not more than already do, we can only hope.
Sorry, but I watched the whole episode on TV here and it was the University's Campus Police,
Quote: "SAN FRANCISCO - The University of California, Davis said Monday that it has placed its police chief on administrative leave amid outrage over widely circulated videos of officers dousing pepper spray on student Occupy protesters.
In a news release, campus officials said it was necessary to place police Chief Annette Spicuzza on leave to restore trust and calm tensions following Friday's crackdown on the "Occupy UC Davis" encampment, which resulted in 10 arrests.
The school has also placed two officers on administrative leave"
Quote: "SAN FRANCISCO - The University of California, Davis said Monday that it has placed its police chief on administrative leave amid outrage over widely circulated videos of officers dousing pepper spray on student Occupy protesters.
In a news release, campus officials said it was necessary to place police Chief Annette Spicuzza on leave to restore trust and calm tensions following Friday's crackdown on the "Occupy UC Davis" encampment, which resulted in 10 arrests.
The school has also placed two officers on administrative leave"
What ever happened to good old mace, for the most part you don't have to drown someone with it.
Ya, that's what I said...
It is however, not what you said...
But I'm glad you recognize your error now.
Here is a letter I received from my congressman:
On November 16, 2011 the House of Representatives voted by a margin of 272-154 in favor of the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act, H.R. 822. I voted in favor of passage of this legislation.
H.R. 822 would allow any person with a valid state-issued concealed –firearm carrying permit or license to carry a concealed weapon in any other state.
The intent of this bill is simple: if you can legally carry a concealed weapon in one state, you can legally carry a concealed weapon in all states.
H.R. 822 does not create a federal licensing program that gives the federal government oversight on your concealed weapon permit. Further, it does not establish a minimum federal standard for the carry permit and does not involve the federal bureaucracy in setting standards for a carry permit.
Today, we have a confusing, piecemeal system in which states recognize permits from some states but not others. For example, North Carolina recognizes conceal permits from South Carolina and Georgia, but not New Mexico. New Mexico, however, honors conceal permits from North Carolina. This legislation would create a more uniform, streamlined and simpler system.
The National Rifle Association (NRA) is fully endorsing H.R. 822 and is urging their members to reject false claims made about this legislation. The NRA purports, "As we have been reporting all along, H.R. 822 is a good bill for gun owners."
American citizens have had the Constitutional right to bear arms since the founding of our nation. I will always support that right. I believe that no American citizen should be forced to give up this right at a state line.
This simple and straight-forward legislation will allow law-abiding Americans who already carry firearms in a safe and responsible manner to protect themselves and their families when they travel across the United States – nothing more and nothing less.
Very Respectfully,
Allen B. West
Member of Congress
Ladies and Gentlemen:
The next step we need to take.
Gun Registry: NDP's honest mistake confirms Canada's dysfunctional gun laws | Full Comment | National Post
Colpy, other than the LGR, do you think our gun laws are really all that dysfunctional?
I can't speak for Colpy, but yes, they are. The two pictured rifles differ only in aesthetics, functionally they are identical, however one is non restricted and the other restricted. In other words, the more manacing looking a firearm appears, the more likely it will end up on the restricted or prohibited list, that is simply nonsense. Now this only speaks to the classification of firearms, we also have the licensing of firearm owners, the laws governing storage and transport, lawful use and carriage etcetera. The laws governing all these things are still as complex and indecypherable as ever, which makes them dysfunctional.
The LGR was the least of all the evils to threaten our liberty in Bill C-68. The fight has only just begun.
Colpy and I have often been at each other's throats on the forum over the years but this is one subject we mostly agree though perhaps for different reasons. Gun control is useless. Guns, on the other hand, are good for society's interests in preserving the peace.
What really gets to me is the defense of the long gun registry with the argument that the police use this to check and see if a suspect or more properly 'a person of interest' has a gun in the registry before an approach. I have even read about police chiefs making this comment. Now, please tell me what kind of a cop going to a domestic dispute or other disturbance is going to check the registry and find, hey, nothing in the registry, ok, nothing to worry about here. I will tell you, ONE STUPID COP. Obviously any cop with even a small brain will assume that a gun may be present what ever the registry says. This law was and is just another political charade that has made many politicians and their cronies wealthy. I know that many people living in cities go into shock when they hear the word gun. I would also like to see hand guns made just as available in Canada as they are available in the US.
Coalition for Gun Control release:
TELL ME now that this bunch of Stalinist control freaks aren't after hunting guns.....by explaining to me the difference between the bolt action, .308 Winchester, scoped CZ 750 "sniper rifle" pictured as a vicious threat to human security that should be banned......and my bolt action, .308 Winchester, scoped Remington deer rifle.........
http://www.guncontrol.ca/English/Home/Releases/Not_just_duck_guns.pdf
BTW, the Steyr HS .50 pictured is 4 and one half feet long, weighs more than 28 pounds, is a single shot.......and has NEVER been used in a crime anywhere in the world.......I read in one place that Steyr is considering legal action. That would be a mistake, IMHO, but you can't blame them. A smear is a smear.
The IMI rifle is just a rifle, a .223 semi-auto....that looks different. Big deal.
Nice to watch these idiots losing one for a change.......
TELL ME now that this bunch of Stalinist control freaks aren't after hunting guns.....by explaining to me the difference between the bolt action, .308 Winchester, scoped CZ 750 "sniper rifle" pictured as a vicious threat to human security that should be banned......and my bolt action, .308 Winchester, scoped Remington deer rifle.........
http://www.guncontrol.ca/English/Home/Releases/Not_just_duck_guns.pdf
BTW, the Steyr HS .50 pictured is 4 and one half feet long, weighs more than 28 pounds, is a single shot.......and has NEVER been used in a crime anywhere in the world.......I read in one place that Steyr is considering legal action. That would be a mistake, IMHO, but you can't blame them. A smear is a smear.
The IMI rifle is just a rifle, a .223 semi-auto....that looks different. Big deal.
Nice to watch these idiots losing one for a change.......