Remembrance day forgotten

Retired_Can_Soldier

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IMNSHO, remembrance day as it is now, does nothing except glorify war. It does nothing to prevent future wars, which is pretty damn obvious since this world has been at war damn near continuously since it's conception. Obviously the "Lest we forget" has been forgotten. So, we continue to send our young men to fight and die in wars that obviously accomplish nothing in the long term.

This is where I utterly disagree with you. I have spent a number of hours speaking with vets, attending services and even a few funerals. No one Gerry, not one person I have met glorifies war. Many pay homage to their fallen brothers and sisters, but none stand and say, "Those were the good old days."

In fact the very thing that you are harping on comes across in the stories that are told and tears that are shed by the veterans themselves. We no longer have any living Veterans from the great war, but most I have heard testimonials from state that the Great War was a senseless waste of human life, a horror to fight and one that was forever seared into their hearts.

War should always be the last option, but isn't always. The vets who go off to war do so at their country's bidding and though you might find that abhorrent I am thankful for their service. No one wishes for war, but the madman.

On Remembrance Day war is not glorified, but respect is paid to those who fell. I think I mentioned this before. On one base I was posted the German Army would march their troops out and beside one another we stand to remember those that perished in wars past.

We did not sneer, nor did they, instead we stood in silence and remembered the sacrifice.
 

gerryh

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and he's as shallow and lacking in any kind of vision as you are.

After all, comic
book publishers and Hollywood made war look so damn cool. Why wouldn't our
grandfathers share their stories?


If war was not "glorified" then kids wouldn't be growing up thinking it was "cool". The "war" is not against remembrance day, it's against war in general. It's against remembering the warriors and forgetting the victims of their little, or not so little, game.

Your words, and your buddies words are all so pretty, but they don't address the problem, they never have and they never will. It's past time for the bullshyte "war is a necessary evil" crap. It's not, and it's past time for you petty little boys to grow up and stop smacking dicks. Too many people are dieing for your "my prick is bigger than your prick" demonstrations.
 

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and he's as shallow and lacking in any kind of vision as you are.




If war was not "glorified" then kids wouldn't be growing up thinking it was "cool". The "war" is not against remembrance day, it's against war in general. It's against remembering the warriors and forgetting the victims of their little, or not so little, game.

Your words, and your buddies words are all so pretty, but they don't address the problem, they never have and they never will. It's past time for the bullshyte "war is a necessary evil" crap. It's not, and it's past time for you petty little boys to grow up and stop smacking dicks. Too many people are dieing for your "my prick is bigger than your prick" demonstrations.

Gerry, you are a very stupid man. You can't understand the concept that soldiers died for us, and that we should honour those soldiers.
Do you somehow think that soldiers invent wars? Armies are the tools of politicians who decide where our soldiers go and who they fight. As far as I know, our soldiers have never been ordered into a town to kill the civillians. Our soldiers don't have "victims". Our soldiers follow orders and don't have a lot of collateral damage.
Where does all this anger come from gerry? Did you try to join the military and got turned down? You obviously know nothing about
the Canadian military.
Why don't you lie down for a while.......
 

gerryh

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Gerry, you are a very stupid man. You can't understand the concept that soldiers died for us, and that we should honour those soldiers.

Us? you have worms? Because I have never asked ANYONE to "die" for me. I would not be that self centered and arrogant to do or expect someone to do that for me.

Do you somehow think that soldiers invent wars? Armies are the tools of politicians who decide where our soldiers go and who they fight. As far as I know, our soldiers have never been ordered into a town to kill the civillians. Our soldiers don't have "victims". Our soldiers follow orders and don't have a lot of collateral damage.

riiiiiiiight

American Experience | PBS | Vietnam Online

Where does all this anger come from gerry? Did you try to join the military and got turned down? You obviously know nothing about
the Canadian military.
Why don't you lie down for a while.......


Right juan, why should this not make me angry

According to a 2001 study by the International Committee of the Red Cross, the civilian to soldier death ratio in wars fought since the mid-20th century has been 10:1, meaning ten civilian deaths for every soldier death.[8] Throughout the 20th century and into the 21st, the number of civilian casualties as a proportion of total casualties has been rising.

That's no big deal, right? The important number is the 1 right? The 10 are inconsequential and mean nothing.
 

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Us? you have worms? Because I have never asked ANYONE to "die" for me. I would not be that self centered and arrogant to do or expect someone to do that for me..
Then you and other like minded people should stsrt a Day to Rememeber those civilians that died in War -I would support that.
 

gerryh

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Then you and other like minded people should stsrt a Day to Rememeber those civilians that died in War -I would support that.


fine, that day will be every day of the year from Jan 1 to Dec 31 INCLUDING Nov 11.
 

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fine, that day will be every day of the year from Jan 1 to Dec 31 INCLUDING Nov 11.

I mentioned a Day - Not 365 - Why not have a Day to Remember - Ah so - I see you want it 365 -366 for Leap Years and of course Nov 11th - You are letting your anger show - how you take and twist just to insult Soldiers - But we are used to that Gerry - We are well used to that. You are not the 1st and will not be the last -
 

gerryh

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I know that you would just love to be able to silence me. It ain't gonna happen.
 

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I know that you would just love to be able to silence me. It ain't gonna happen.

Gerry you are slipping - It took all that time for you to come up with a Dumb Ass remark. Old age is clearly catching up and quite fast it is. Old age that is. You well from here on in it is just all downhill to a hole in the ground. TTFN
 

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Did you happen to notice who started this thread and WHAT it was about? Of course you didn't. As usual, you go off half cocked without reading the entire thread. I started this thread before the 11th. I put it in a different thread than the Remembrance day thread so I would not get the bullshyte accusations, like you just accused, of derailing and "spitting on the dead".

If you don't like my attitude towards this subject, you could have stayed out of the thread that I STARTED, instead of accusing me of not posting in the proper thread. Once again you prove that your mouth runneth over before your brain goes into gear.
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you started the thread, but you don't own it, and you deliberately started it to suck in those whom you
would then spit and sh*t on, it is easy to see that, you are very transparent.

it would be interesting to know 'what' you would have done in response to adolf hitler's attempt to rule
the world, one country at a time, with a huge army at his disposal.

maybe you could have written a letter to the newspaper, or just go to church and pray, or ? what gerry what.

mad men scratch and kill to make their way to the power they seek, then begin to use their insanity to
get their way. all of the leaders of countries are power hungry people, you saw them in your classroom
at school in a small way, but those personalities grow up and find their way to the position where they can make
big decisions for countries, or whomever they desire, hence wars over ownership of our earth.

Most of us are happy with our simple lives, and wouldn't hurt a flea, but when our country and our freedoms are threatened, or the free world, it is a decision we have to make. do we just sit on our butts and
let others who 'just want to', walk all over us, take our countries, or do we ban together and fight
for those rights.

maybe you would feel less guilty and more happy kissing the butts of people like hitler and others like
him, so you don't have to know that others have died, well go ahead, do that, but my family and I will
fight for our lives before we follow dictators and others like them.


again gerry, how would you stop an insane leader like hitler from doing his dirty deed.

all of our canadian soldiers who died, or served were innocence, trying to do the right thing, their first
thoughts were of saving others,not killing, but includes defending themselves and killing others.

I will always be grateful to our 'innocent' young men and women who stepped up and did what they thought
was the right thing to do.

I was just a little girl when my brother was sent home injured from holland, still a teenager, and a
very changed and much more aware person than when he left.

He survived but his best friend did not, and I will never forget him, such a nice young man with a
wife and new baby when he left. His little boy has never known him.

All of these young people knew what hitler was doing, knew that london was being bombed and the devastation
in europe and russia, but of course in your world they would have turned their backs and just said,
"this has nothing to do with me" right? they can figure it out themselves right?

we all remember forever everyone who died and that includes civilians, they are all part of it, no one
in countries who are at war escapes that horror, but to ignore the actions of hitler and his henchmen,
would be worse than having to face up to him, because eventually he would be at your front door.

what would your choice have been as a very young canadian at the time my brother joined the army.
l942, what would you have done.
We must always remember and honour our fallen men and women, and those who were
spared, and 'never forget', people who gaves their lives, and that includes
civilians did it for all of us who are here now, whether you like it or not, and
if you didn't ask anyone to die for you, doesn't matter, they did.
 
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gerryh

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Those comments were made after you claimed I was slamming you - i mentioned a day as that is what is normally done.


and obviously one day of remembrance has done sweet piss all at preventing war, or even educating people about the horrors.
 

gerryh

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Care to prove that? You cannot.



Are you blind? We are at war right now, are we not? Has there really been any peace since the end of WWII? There was a thread posted on this board about vet's wanting to bring "props" to a Catholic school for remembrance. It was suggested on this very board that it was a good idea because the "props" would grab at teenage boys imagination as they would consider these "tools of wwar" as being "cool". What more proof do you need?
 

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Are you blind? We are at war right now, are we not? Has there really been any peace since the end of WWII? There was a thread posted on this board about vet's wanting to bring "props" to a Catholic school for remembrance. It was suggested on this very board that it was a good idea because the "props" would grab at teenage boys imagination as they would consider these "tools of wwar" as being "cool". What more proof do you need?

That is all you have - 1 post to back up your sweeping generailzation.