Remembrance day forgotten

[#juan]

Care to prove that? You cannot.

Where in hell is it written that Remembrance Day is supposed to prevent wars? For God's sake, soldiers are
ordered into war and they get killed. November 11 is a day we have set aside for the last hundred years to
remember them. Is that so bloody complicated?

 

[gerryh]

Nope - You made a claim - the claim is false - Thats it, Thats all

Ok, so show me how "my" claim is false.

 

[Goober]

and obviously one day of remembrance has done sweet piss all at preventing war, or even educating people about the horrors.

This is the post -

And I am not trolling. Prove that your statement is correct. You are just into a rant. Not good for the health, heart or blood pressure.

 

[gerryh]

[/U]This is the post -

And I am not trolling. Prove that your statement is correct. You are just into a rant. Not good for the health, heart or blood pressure.

The responses to the Catholic School Boards banning of war props is proof enough. Teen boys consider war "cool". If you read in the other remembrance day thread there is an account about someone not understanding why their grandfather wouldn't talk about his war exploits since war was so "cool".

 

[Goober]

The responses to the Catholic School Boards banning of war props is proof enough. Teen boys consider war "cool". If you read in the other remembrance day thread there is an account about someone not understanding why their grandfather wouldn't talk about his war exploits since war was so "cool".

Did you hear any Soldiers agreeing with that "War is so cool" crap?

 

[gerryh]

Did you hear any Soldiers agreeing with that "War is so cool" crap?

Did I say they did? I said that obviously the education isn't working since boys are still considering war to be "cool". And part of the problem is BECAUSE remembrance day is to remember and pay homage to those that fought in the wars and died rather than remembering and teaching what war is REALLY like. The carnage, the death, and the destruction.

 

[Locutus]

I don't understand why people don't allow others to simply have an opinion, belief, value system etc that they don't share and find it a hobby, exercise or entertainment to try and change that persons' point of view.

Now to each their own that want to harangue, debate, snipe or troll at Gerry (it's none of my personal business and he's a big boy) but jesus christ man, I'm pretty sure it's obvious that you're not going to change his mind nor he yours.

Maybe because this stuff doesn't pump my own nads, I don't really 'get it' but if it's fun and all...have at 'er. :lol:

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I'm not sure if I'm a wh ore or not and I don't care if Gerry freaks out every Remembrance Day.

After all that is why soldiers sacrificed their lives, so he could freak out.

Relax Gerry, I'm just kidding.:lol:

Are you calling me a wh ore? Really?

 

[gerryh]

You have to be female to be a wh ore?

Seriously though, why do these conversations always get ugly?

I guess this one started when I was told to start my own thread instead of pissing on a remembrance day thread. That kinda hit me the wrong way.

but, I'll remember for next year that it doesn't really matter if I start a separate thread or voice my opinion on the remembrance day threads.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I guess this one started when I was told to start my own thread instead of pissing on a remembrance day thread. That kinda hit me the wrong way.

We do this every year though.

Most of us get what your saying, most of us actually agree, but it always gets ugly and no you're not the only one.

I suppose that the reaction regarding your view is that you are in fact marginalizing the sacrifice these soldiers make. I just don't get why there can't be a dialogue with everybody setting themselves on fire.

 

[wulfie68]

Gerry, your problem is you are trying to simplify things too much. The world is not perfect. I'll bet everyone on this board would love to see a cessation of all conflicts... but only if that meant is was reciprocal; that Al-qaeda and their ilk would stop trying to kill us, that extremists of all types would lay down their weapons and be more tolerant of others. You have stated, in effect in other threads, that you don't believe in armies and wars, that we need to walk away from those types of organizations, but you don't share your ideas on how you would convince others to follow suit as well.

I would love for my son to grow up in a world where war existed only in history books, but I don't think human nature will change and you haven't shared any ideas on how to make it so. You cast aspersions on the conclusions of others and accuse them of building walls, while ignoring those walls are for their own safety and more importantly to many, the safety of their loved ones. In some ways, you're a poster child for so many of the issues that face us as a society: you want it fixed your way, right now, but you don't have or don't want to share any ideas on how to fix it. Eliminating wars (if it is possible at all) will be complex and take time. We need to educate people on the cost, and to that end Remembrance Day is a damned good tool: my personal experience with veterans, even our newer ones from NATO missions to the Balkans, Somalia, etc and the Middle Eastern conflicts, is they don't want anyone to go through what they did. Where can you get a more powerful advocate? But instead, GerryH, you want to crap all over veterans and those who support them instead of the politicians who make the decisions and the people who elect them. Rail on as you will, but the conflicts are slowing because the process of educating the populace is making an impact.

 

[gerryh]

Gerry, your problem is you are trying to simplify things too much. The world is not perfect. I'll bet everyone on this board would love to see a cessation of all conflicts... but only if that meant is was reciprocal; that Al-qaeda and their ilk would stop trying to kill us, that extremists of all types would lay down their weapons and be more tolerant of others. You have stated, in effect in other threads, that you don't believe in armies and wars, that we need to walk away from those types of organizations, but you don't share your ideas on how you would convince others to follow suit as well.

I would love for my son to grow up in a world where war existed only in history books, but I don't think human nature will change and you haven't shared any ideas on how to make it so. You cast aspersions on the conclusions of others and accuse them of building walls, while ignoring those walls are for their own safety and more importantly to many, the safety of their loved ones. In some ways, you're a poster child for so many of the issues that face us as a society: you want it fixed your way, right now, but you don't have or don't want to share any ideas on how to fix it. Eliminating wars (if it is possible at all) will be complex and take time. We need to educate people on the cost, and to that end Remembrance Day is a damned good tool: my personal experience with veterans, even our newer ones from NATO missions to the Balkans, Somalia, etc and the Middle Eastern conflicts, is they don't want anyone to go through what they did. Where can you get a more powerful advocate? But instead, GerryH, you want to crap all over veterans and those who support them instead of the politicians who make the decisions and the people who elect them. Rail on as you will, but the conflicts are slowing because the process of educating the populace is making an impact.

I've already stated, quite clearly, that we start with education. Educating people about the reality of wars. It's just hunky dory that the vets that you have talked to don't want to see any more wars because of what they went through. Having the position I have on war, I get the same thing. Yet, are we educating the people on what war is REALLY like? No, we are not. a couple of prime examples of that is the attitude of young people towards war and the machines of war, the other is the attitude and policy of this board and it's members concerning pictures of war. Don't wanna see em. So, in reality, those images are out of sight and out of mind. People don't want to acknowledge the ugly. All they want to acknowledge is the "heroism" and "sacrifices" of THEIR loved ones. This is NOT acknowledging the whole reality, this is only acknowledging a very small part. Excuse me for shoving reality into the faces of those that would prefer to ignore it.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I've already stated, quite clearly, that we start with education. Educating people about the reality of wars. It's just hunky dory that the vets that you have talked to don't want to see any more wars because of what they went through. Having the position I have on war, I get the same thing. Yet, are we educating the people on what war is REALLY like? No, we are not. a couple of prime examples of that is the attitude of young people towards war and the machines of war, the other is the attitude and policy of this board and it's members concerning pictures of war. Don't wanna see em. So, in reality, those images are out of sight and out of mind. People don't want to acknowledge the ugly. All they want to acknowledge is the "heroism" and "sacrifices" of THEIR loved ones. This is NOT acknowledging the whole reality, this is only acknowledging a very small part. Excuse me for shoving reality into the faces of those that would prefer to ignore it.

I think children should definitely be educated about the weaponry, the brutality, and the horrors of war. What is depicted in an XBox game is not reality. Young people cannot feel the bitter cold of inclimate weather. Do not comprehend the exhaustion or the uncertainty of danger. Do not feel the loss of friends and comrades. So I most certainly agree that they should be educated that war is an ugly campaign of death and destruction not to be held up as adventure or glory. Our vets have attempted to do that through education programs like the Memory Project, but there are some who feel that war must be sanitized and our children wrapped in bubble wrap.

 

[Spade]

"Remembrance Day is forgotten" by the video-game industry which profits from the explicit war games they market to impressionable youth.

 

[gerryh]

"Remembrance Day is forgotten" by the video-game industry which profits from the explicit war games they market to impressionable youth.

No, no, and a thousand times no. My boys KNOW what war does, and they have played the games. I made sure they know the difference between a game and reality. Blaming someone else is a cop out.

I think children should definitely be educated about the weaponry, the brutality, and the horrors of war. What is depicted in an XBox game is not reality. Young people cannot feel the bitter cold of inclimate weather. Do not comprehend the exhaustion or the uncertainty of danger. Do not feel the loss of friends and comrades. So I most certainly agree that they should be educated that war is an ugly campaign of death and destruction not to be held up as adventure or glory. Our vets have attempted to do that through education programs like the Memory Project, but there are some who feel that war must be sanitized and our children wrapped in bubble wrap.

Again, if they think xbox is the reality, then the parents need to have their heads smacked.


What were some of the reasons given for using the props? One I read was that teen boys think they are "cool" and the props will make it easier to hold their attention. Another cop out and another example of how the "message" is NOT getting out there.

 

[#juan]

Ya, well, goober the war monger, his second leutanant flyboy juan and their 2 resident wh ores have a problem with having people actually remember and possibly prevent wars. It would take away from their sexual gratification.

The RCAF did not have that rank gerry, . Your ignorance is is quite obvious. I rose to the
lofty rank of Flying Officer. You would have to stand at attention and genuflect while talking to me.....

 

[gerryh]

The RCAF did not have that rank gerry, . Your ignorance is is quite obvious. I rose to the
lofty rank of Flying Officer. You would have to stand at attention and genuflect while talking to me.....

The only ones on this board that I would even consider doing that for would be RCS and Bear.

 

[talloola]

Shall we go back and quote you telling me to take this to another thread?

sure, go ahead, it is trivia compared to the death and destruction of war, and the coward you would
be in such a situation, you did not say what you would have done, so I assume then, from your previous
statements, the only thing you would have thought of is, to 'run and hide'.

 

[gerryh]

sure, go ahead, it is trivia compared to the death and destruction of war, and the coward you would
be in such a situation, you did not say what you would have done, so I assume then, from your previous
statements, the only thing you would have thought of is, to 'run and hide'.

How about not create the atmosphere that allowed a nut case like Hitler to rise to the top in the first place.


and if it makes it easier for you to justify your war mongering and murderous ways to think of me as a coward, you go right ahead. You are not worth my time to worry about it.

 

[Colpy]

and he's as shallow and lacking in any kind of vision as you are.




If war was not "glorified" then kids wouldn't be growing up thinking it was "cool". The "war" is not against remembrance day, it's against war in general. It's against remembering the warriors and forgetting the victims of their little, or not so little, game.

Your words, and your buddies words are all so pretty, but they don't address the problem, they never have and they never will. It's past time for the bullshyte "war is a necessary evil" crap. It's not, and it's past time for you petty little boys to grow up and stop smacking dicks. Too many people are dieing for your "my prick is bigger than your prick" demonstrations.

/

Yep....and if my auntie had balls, she would be my uncle.

All very nice and airy-fairie, and yes we should all be raised to turn the other cheek again and again and again and to be concerned about everybody's feelings and to be ashamed of our history and those monsters like my uncle who died on Jan 3, 1942 bombing the hell out of Germany while flying around in a Wellington.

The obvious problem is, as long as you are being such a morally superior pacifist, that someone like Adolph comes along, taps into that streak of violence, zenophobia, and racial and national arrogance that exists in every human being, and begins to enslave a good part of the world while the pacifist morons have their heads stuck deep in the sand.

I take it, from your point of view, we should have let Dear Adolph have Europe.....what the hell? It's not OUR war.....

Today we're faced with another set of lunatic fascists, inspired not by racism, but by religious fanaticism. I'm afraid the wolves at the door do not share your superior ethics, ........unfortunate that, what?

And there are always wolves at the door.

Throughout human history, now, and in the future.

You sit on your fat arse in a free, democratic, rich society...... feeling superior in your stupidity only because people fought for you.

For you to say "Well, I owe them nothing because I didn't ask them to....." is the absolute depth of narcissism, arrogance, and ignorance.

I am disgusted with you on this subject, I have given you more reddies in the last three days that I have given in 4 years on CC.

It is becoming increasingly hard to take you seriously.