Time To Fire Don Cherry Off CBC

[CDNBear]

My thoughts exactly.

Can you imagine some zebra striped hack on the field of battle, calling... "Two minutes for unsportsmanlike conduct"?

Or a hockey player sliding a jump knife up underneath the ear of someone on the boards?

FFS, where do these people come up with silliness?

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Well the Cherry Haters initial outcry was the fact that he mentioned the fallen on Coaches Corner, now they want to drag that into this latest outcry. For the record I checked the record and saw no reports that Rick Rypien had any drug issues, but I also didn't see any evidence that his time as an enforcer or subsequent scrapping had anything to do with depression.

I just don't get the connection, but I do find the having fun comments beyond the pale of ignorant.

Perhaps if this thread was merged with the other thread on Cherry some of the responses and points made wouldn't be so fragmented. I know I responded to Kakato's initial accusation that I was being insensitive after I suggested the two threads be merged, but it appears he has overlooked, ignored or simply missed the points I made.

 

[talloola]

Look I get that your not pleased with Cherry's comments, but what does any of this crap have to do with soldiers having PTSD. Better yet, if you are going to start making comparisons to soldiers how bout you check out the salary difference between a soldier and a millionaire hockey player. Check out the healthcare available to a soldier and a millionaire hockey player. Check out what kind of mental health is available.

Just like your comment to me about showing sensitivity towards depression. Ridiculous. It's too bad that the hockey player you mentioned from your home town took his life, in fact it's quite sad, but I've seen more than my fair share of this sort of thing and perhaps you ought to think just a little when you make a comparison between a soldier who is exposed to horrors that are life changing to a millionaire hockey player who gets in a scrap on the ice.

By the way, did Rick Rypien have drug issues?

Maybe instead of complaining with soldier comparisons and riffing on Don Cherry (which by the way just fuels


his already great ratings) you should demand Gary Bettman clean up the NHL.

Rick Rypien had NO alchohol or drug problems, his depression was genetic, as his grandmother suffered from
it as well.

His situation had nothing to do with hockey or the other two players who died.

Rypien was not really an enforcer at all, just a gritty tough hockey player, who was afraid of nothing.

He had male family members who were boxers and football players, long before he was part of the NHL.

He was not hired on to 'fight', or to be an 'enforcer', but because he was not afraid to get his nose dirty,

and that was his natural character.

His girlfriend, a few years back was killed in an accident, and that really sent him reeling for awhile,

and possibly, (only assuming), began the progression of his bouts with depression, not the onset, just

the continuation.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Rick Rypien had NO alchohol or drug problems, his depression was genetic, as his grandmother suffered from
it as well.

His situation had nothing to do with hockey or the other two players who died.

Rypien was not really an enforcer at all, just a gritty tough hockey player, who was afraid of nothing.

He had male family members who were boxers and football players, long before he was part of the NHL.

He was not hired on to 'fight', or to be an 'enforcer', but because he was not afraid to get his nose dirty,

and that was his natural character.

His girlfriend, a few years back was killed in an accident, and that really sent him reeling for awhile,

and possibly, (only assuming), began the progression of his bouts with depression, not the onset, just

the continuation.

Well I was aware he was a scrappy guy. I mentioned that in the post above yours that I couldn't find anything on drug issues. It's too bad the guy killed himself, not sure how it relates to his time on the ice or the Post Traumatic Stress which plagues not only combat soldiers, but firefighters, police officers or anyone who has been subjected to trauma.

 

[talloola]

Rick was easily capable of refusing that role on the team. The only thing stopping him was the potential of losing that income he generated from his employment.

In the end, he made his choice and has to accept both the good and the bad as per his decision.

As I mentioned before, rypien was not hired as an enforcer, he was a decent hockey player who was fearless
by nature, and wouldn't run away from a fight, but definitely was not a goon at all, he wasn't very big,
but he was 'tough', just like many guys on the street are tough, 'they just are'.

Rypien was a gentle kind person, a bit shy, but loved to compete on the ice.

He has never made a million dollars in a season, not even close.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

As I mentioned before, rypien was not hired as an enforcer, he was a decent hockey player who was fearless
by nature, and wouldn't run away from a fight, but definitely was not a goon at all, he wasn't very big,
but he was 'tough', just like many guys on the street are tough, 'they just are'.

Rypien was a gentle kind person, a bit shy, but loved to compete on the ice.

He has never made a million dollars in a season, not even close.

Thanks for clarifying Taloola.

I still don't get what head injuries have to do with Rypien's depression. It sound like people are using the tragedy of his death as their personal soap box to get hitting out of the game.

I have no issue with that position, but it sounds rather exploitive and isn't that what folks are accusing Cherry of?

 

[talloola]

Nope those old guys like Beliveau Orr Rattelle they sure didn't know how to move the puck.I could hardly bare watching that
old style game.
Nope no goons in the Nhl anymore either.

Ever watch the old games, they are on tv all the time, noticeably slower. Not pointing out the better
players on those teams, BUT the complete team and the style of play before the red line was removed and
before the clutching and grabbing was removed, and before the players grew bigger, stronger, the coaching
became better, much more strategy and more physical preparation, better equipment, better power skating
schools, better training camps, etc etc., just like all sports are better now than many years ago.

I didn't say 'no' goons, I said they are starting to disappear, will soon be gone, and the players who
want to fight now, better be able to play the game, or they won't make the teams.

 

[Goober]

Thanks for clarifying Taloola.

I still don't get what head injuries have to do with Rypien's depression. It sound like people are using the tragedy of his death as their personal soap box to get hitting out of the game.

I have no issue with that position, but it sounds rather exploitive and isn't that what folks are accusing Cherry of?

From what I gathered in an earlier post the family had a number of issues - As to what they are - were - I do not know.

 

[talloola]

From what I gathered in an earlier post the family had a number of issues - As to what they are - were - I do not know.

I have not read of any other family issues, only rypien's individual bouts of depression.

 

[Nuggler]

Ever watch the old games, they are on tv all the time, noticeably slower. Not pointing out the better
players on those teams, BUT the complete team and the style of play before the red line was removed and
before the clutching and grabbing was removed, and before the players grew bigger, stronger, the coaching
became better, much more strategy and more physical preparation, better equipment, better power skating
schools, better training camps, etc etc., just like all sports are better now than many years ago.

I didn't say 'no' goons, I said they are starting to disappear, will soon be gone, and the players who
want to fight now, better be able to play the game, or they won't make the teams.

Sounds good, Talloola. Just might start watching hockey again. Even go to (PAYtogo) a game again.

 

[Kakato]

Look I get that your not pleased with Cherry's comments, but what does any of this crap have to do with soldiers having PTSD. Better yet, if you are going to start making comparisons to soldiers how bout you check out the salary difference between a soldier and a millionaire hockey player. Check out the healthcare available to a soldier and a millionaire hockey player. Check out what kind of mental health is available.

Just like your comment to me about showing sensitivity towards depression. Ridiculous. It's too bad that the hockey player you mentioned from your home town took his life, in fact it's quite sad, but I've seen more than my fair share of this sort of thing and perhaps you ought to think just a little when you make a comparison between a soldier who is exposed to horrors that are life changing to a millionaire hockey player who gets in a scrap on the ice.

By the way, did Rick Rypien have drug issues?

Maybe instead of complaining with soldier comparisons and riffing on Don Cherry (which by the way just fuels his already great ratings) you should demand Gary Bettman clean up the NHL.

It's a fair analogy,mental health is the issue,not what you do or how much money you make.
Why should someone be looked down on because of a mental disease just because their a hockey player?
The analogy is good,people are people and no one is any better then the other.

 

[Goober]

It's a fair analogy,mental health is the issue,not what you do or how much money you make.
Why should someone be looked down on because of a mental disease just because their a hockey player?
The analogy is good,people are people and no one is any better then the other.

No it is a completely ignorant analogy.

 

[captain morgan]

As I mentioned before, rypien was not hired as an enforcer, he was a decent hockey player who was fearless
by nature, and wouldn't run away from a fight, but definitely was not a goon at all, he wasn't very big,
but he was 'tough', just like many guys on the street are tough, 'they just are'.

Rypien was a gentle kind person, a bit shy, but loved to compete on the ice.

He has never made a million dollars in a season, not even close.

Sure, that's fine that he wasn't hired as a fighter... I get it... However, the fact is that Rypien desired to participate in this game and was compensated to a level that he felt was acceptable. He took the money ($700k/year) in exchange for the delivery of a service to the team.

That said, the reality in this issue relates to the individual responsibilities that each and every person in society assumes.

All athletes, professional or otherwise, make the individual decision to participate in that sport. All of these sports (both contact and non-contact) have certain repercussions and consequences. Blaming the owners or the league is ridiculous; really, why not blame their pee wee coach or how about their parents for neglect and abuse?

The sooner that these guys accept responsibility for their decisions, the sooner they can move onto finding a treatment that will placate their condition.

 

[Goober]

Sure, that's fine that he wasn't hired as a fighter... I get it... However, the fact is that Rypien desired to participate in this game and was compensated to a level that he felt was acceptable. He took the money ($700k/year) in exchange for the delivery of a service to the team.

That said, the reality in this issue relates to the individual responsibilities that each and every person in society assumes.

All athletes, professional or otherwise, make the individual decision to participate in that sport. All of these sports (both contact and non-contact) have certain repercussions and consequences. Blaming the owners or the league is ridiculous; really, why not blame their pee wee coach or how about their parents for neglect and abuse?

The sooner that these guys accept responsibility for their decisions, the sooner they can move onto finding a treatment that will placate their condition.

Remember that wrestler that killed his wife and children - He had the brain of an 80 year old - massive trauma-

Are we so much into blood and circuses that when we know long term injuries occur we just ignore the?

 

[Kakato]

Sure, that's fine that he wasn't hired as a fighter... I get it... However, the fact is that Rypien desired to participate in this game and was compensated to a level that he felt was acceptable. He took the money ($700k/year) in exchange for the delivery of a service to the team.

That said, the reality in this issue relates to the individual responsibilities that each and every person in society assumes.

All athletes, professional or otherwise, make the individual decision to participate in that sport. All of these sports (both contact and non-contact) have certain repercussions and consequences. Blaming the owners or the league is ridiculous; really, why not blame their pee wee coach or how about their parents for neglect and abuse?

The sooner that these guys accept responsibility for their decisions, the sooner they can move onto finding a treatment that will placate their condition.

He never blamed anyone,thats why he took his life.Their desicions have nothing to do with it,sorry but depression and mental health dont care who you are or what your proffesion is.

 

[captain morgan]

I still don't get what head injuries have to do with Rypien's depression. It sound like people are using the tragedy of his death as their personal soap box to get hitting out of the game.

I think that you hit the nail squarely on the head on this one. It's a tenuous link at best stating that there is a connection.

 

[Goober]

He never blamed anyone,thats why he took his life.Their desicions have nothing to do with it,sorry but depression and mental health dont care who you are or what your proffesion is.

No one can disagree with that.

 

[captain morgan]

He never blamed anyone,thats why he took his life.Their desicions have nothing to do with it,sorry but depression and mental health dont care who you are or what your proffesion is.

In terms of the above statement, I don't disagree with you at all. My opinion of what Cherry said was that their time/role in the NHL did not contribute to any mental illness that they suffered.

 

[Goober]

Thanks for clarifying Taloola.

I still don't get what head injuries have to do with Rypien's depression. It sound like people are using the tragedy of his death as their personal soap box to get hitting out of the game.

I have no issue with that position, but it sounds rather exploitive and isn't that what folks are accusing Cherry of?

Depending upon what part of the brain has the concussion - or more than 1 or seveal concussion- Causes changes with the person.

Depression can arise from any number of factors - Brain injuries are one I would say that can lead to depression.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...en-a-byproduct-of-concussions/article2172240/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-concussion_syndrome

http://www.treatmentonline.com/blog/index.asp?blog_id=2572

 

[captain morgan]

Depending upon what part of the brain has the concussion - or more than 1 or seveal concussion- Causes changes with the person.

Depression can arise from any number of factors - Brain injuries are one I would say that can lead to depression.

So, is that now the responsibility of the NHL or NFL?

Who do I chastise or sue when a kid falls off of their bike? Schwinn or the city that constructed a road that didn't have a built-in airbag?