since you know so much about the Quraan can you tell me where in the Quraan this is said.
oh and it is Quraan and not Quoran
The Original Sin
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since you know so much about the Quraan can you tell me where in the Quraan this is said.
oh and it is Quraan and not Quoran
@ yukonjack
I have to disappoint you my friend
Forcing people to convert , goes against the teachings of Islam
faith has to come from the heart.
it says in the Quran
''If your Lord had willed, all the people on the earth would have believed.
Do you think you can force people to be believers?'' (Qur'an, 10:99)
and
''There is no compulsion in religion. True guidance has become clearly distinct from error''. (Qur'an, 2:256)
And.
"say :To you be your religion, and to me my religion ."(Quran)
Indeed ,Ignorance is a curse
salaam
I have to disappoint you my friend
Forcing people to convert , goes against the teachings of Islam
faith has to come from the heart.
it says in the Quran
''If your Lord had willed, all the people on the earth would have believed.
Do you think you can force people to be believers?'' (Qur'an, 10:99)
and
''There is no compulsion in religion. True guidance has become clearly distinct from error''. (Qur'an, 2:256)
And.
"say :To you be your religion, and to me my religion ."(Quran)
Indeed ,Ignorance is a curse
salaam
Satan was the original sinner.
Joh:8:44:
Ye are of your father the devil,
and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar,
and the father of it.
Joh:8:44:
Ye are of your father the devil,
and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar,
and the father of it.
Original Sin was cooked up by the Holy Roman Catholic Church soon after it was formed By Constantine I in 325 CE at the Council of Nicea. It is based on Genesis 1 and the fable about "Adam & Eve" . I hope there are no people who actually BELIEVE in Adam and EVE.
One interesting observation. If Baptism is supposed to remove Original Sin, then why did Jesus (if He existed) let John the Baptist baptize Him. Was Jesus not born without original Sin? Of course none of the unknown writers of the Gospels were actually there to witness the event.
One interesting observation. If Baptism is supposed to remove Original Sin, then why did Jesus (if He existed) let John the Baptist baptize Him. Was Jesus not born without original Sin? Of course none of the unknown writers of the Gospels were actually there to witness the event.
To me, that shows the complete and total error of Christianity. Because you were born, you were born in sin.
**** that noise, you want to live your life believing that ****, go ahead. That's the most idiotic thing I've ever heard, it's simply a way to dump guilt on people, and make them think they need the Church, because they were born in sin.
If you want to believe that YOU were born in sin, feel free. Tell me that I was born in sin, and you might find yourself with a broken nose. I was born in Sin John, not sin.
Original sin is unknown in Judaism. Jesus was first and foremost a Jew and was emphatic on that point. The concept of Original sin appears to come from Paul the Apostle, who in my opinion was a woman hater. (He certainly was jealous of Jesus's relationship with Mary Magdelaine) It then developed further in the 2nd century in opposition to Gnostic dualism.
It describes the lack of the "state of holiness & perfect charity" into which humans are born.
How odd that inspite of trying for the stars, discovering the beginning of the formation of the Universe, steadily finding more and more clues to how life begins, we still need our fairy tales. When do you suppose, humanity will start researching the universal life/death/evolution cycle of which all existence is composed instead of forming yet more religions??
I noticed somewhere in here the claim that the bible states life begins at conception. Wrong. The bible states quite the opposite right from Genesis 2.7. Life begins with the first breath. See Job 33.4 or Ezekial 37: 5 & 6. Before that a fetus is merely tissue. A man may be obliged to pay a price to a husband or father, for taking the life of a woman but not for the loss of the unborn.
In this modern law as it is many other areas, much less contemptuous of life than the bible. Much better than some of the practices back then of limiting one's family.
What is this about Elections in a thread about Original sin??
It describes the lack of the "state of holiness & perfect charity" into which humans are born.
How odd that inspite of trying for the stars, discovering the beginning of the formation of the Universe, steadily finding more and more clues to how life begins, we still need our fairy tales. When do you suppose, humanity will start researching the universal life/death/evolution cycle of which all existence is composed instead of forming yet more religions??
I noticed somewhere in here the claim that the bible states life begins at conception. Wrong. The bible states quite the opposite right from Genesis 2.7. Life begins with the first breath. See Job 33.4 or Ezekial 37: 5 & 6. Before that a fetus is merely tissue. A man may be obliged to pay a price to a husband or father, for taking the life of a woman but not for the loss of the unborn.
In this modern law as it is many other areas, much less contemptuous of life than the bible. Much better than some of the practices back then of limiting one's family.
What is this about Elections in a thread about Original sin??
I think what the Bible says is largely irrelevant, in a book the size of the Bible, if a person looks hard enough he can find a quote saying just about anything he wants. It preaches mercy, it preaches hell and brimstone, it's a damn good story book.
The original sin - in my opinion - came the first time man felt remorse then found someone else to blame for his error
Yes, it is a fairy tale, so I ask why use it as a basis for judging such things as women's abortion rights, or whether babies are born sinful or innocent??
It was meant (the bible) as a guide (allegorical) for tribal barbarians so, why use it to justify gender, religious or racial prejudice?.? It was a fairy tale back then, and nothing has changed over two thousand years plus. It has served as a divisive force and an excuse for vicious behaviour since it saw the light of day.
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Try thinking about it as bad human behaviour rather than "sin" Sin implies an act against God/Spirit rather than against oneself. We injure ourselves through bad behaviour not a Universal Creator, (if something like that exists)
OOPS ......right!! Meant to say two thousand years plus but got side-tracked.
original sin
noun
1.
Theology.
a depravity, or tendency to evil, held to be innate in humankind and transmitted from Adam to the race in consequence of his sin.
inclination to evil, inherent in human nature.
2.
Roman Catholic Theology. the privation of sanctifying grace in consequence of the sin of Adam.
Original sin | Define Original sin at Dictionary.com
noun
1.
Theology.
a depravity, or tendency to evil, held to be innate in humankind and transmitted from Adam to the race in consequence of his sin.
inclination to evil, inherent in human nature.
2.
Roman Catholic Theology. the privation of sanctifying grace in consequence of the sin of Adam.
Original sin | Define Original sin at Dictionary.com
The original sin was Satan telling a lie, Adam did die on the same day he ate, back then a day was considered to be 1,000 years long.